I watched some show on ESPN at lunch today
There's your mistake right there.
FreeSafety posted:
The committee is making things interesting by throwing WASH up in there this week but they are hoping like hell they look bad on Saturday so they can drop them out of the top 4 IMO.
Tomorrow. Fox.
PS.
Great thread. When all is said and done, even with a Bucky win, I don't think we get in---and I can't complain. 2 losses is 2 losses. Michigan and Ohio St. were better than us this year.
Period.
Maynard posted:I watched some show on ESPN at lunch today and they were talking about if the B1G champion should be left out, and all they talked about was that Penn State should have a chance but they won't. Never even MENTIONED the Badgers. That show has apparently already given the B1G title to PSU.
I noticed the same thing the other night and on ESPN radio the last day or so. PSU is talked about (they should be they deserve it) but not much about UW usually and if they do they mention their losses or they are boring etc.
right on queue they were talking about how the committee may want to have the best matchups in the playoffs and who do they show? yep UW.
1. I don't think beating PS is going to be easy, not at all. But if WI loses then none of this talk matters, so I think we are just assuming a WI win for the sake of this discussion.
2. I think the media talks about PS winning so much because they beat OSU and would have a better argument for being in the playoff. They won the division that both OSU and MI are in, they won the conference and they beat OSU head to head. It is just a more interesting scenario for the committee if PS wins the Big 10 so it draws more conversation than a WI win.
If WIS wins by double digits, they'll be tough to argue against.
ALA and OSU are in. CLEM and WASH are in with W's. If either loses that opens it for MICH, WIS, PennSt.
I think, if WAS loses the WIS/PennSt winners jumps MICH into the 4th spot. I don't see MICH moving up without playing, unless CLEM and WAS both lose.
Don't know if this is true BUT if Wash beats #8 Colorado they will have a better SOS rating than Michigan. Heard this in my car this AM on a Colorado sports station. If true to me this meas Wash is a lock over anyone for #4
I find that impossible to believe. In all the SOS stuff that I looked at and posted earlier in this thread shows WASH miles behind everybody else in SOS.
Looking at an average, MI's SOS was around 28th in the country and WASH's SOS was around 58th. That is out of 128 teams. WASH is bearly in the top half of the country in terms of SOS.
And MI already pounded Colorado earlier this year. No way WASH SOS improves 30 spots on one game.
MI already has 3 top 10 wins against WI, PS and Colorado.
WASH's best win is against #18 Stanford. Colorado would be their 1st top 10 win.
It'd be a really bad precedent to put OSU and Michigan in and leave out the real Big 10 champ. For that reason, I think Michigan is done. And I actually don't like OSU being in - if you can't win your own conference, you don't deserve a chance to play for the national title.
Not that anyone cares, but they should get rid of the Big 12, sending Texas and TCU to the Pac 12, West Virginia and Kansas to the ACC, Oklahoma and Oklahoma St to the SEC. Iowa St, Kansas St, Texas Tech, and Baylor would get screwed in my scenario (probably works better for the first three schools and frankly, screw Baylor). The Power 4 conference champs then play for the national title. No more stupid committee, strength of schedule, etc. and teams would be free to schedule a hard non-conference schedule without getting penalized. Non-conference games would be better, conference play would be more intense, and the conference championships would in effect be round 1 of the playoffs (ie: 8 teams). Oh, and the best part: Notre Dame gets screwed!
Good luck to Wisconsin this weekend. Even if they win and don't get in to the playoff, the Rose Bowl is a nice consolation. Hopefully my Buffs will see you there.
I kind of like that scenario. Have four power five conferences the champions make the playoffs. No guess and pontificating on resumes "eye tests" "who will be a better game and can compete"
But because something makes sense in college football it is sure not to happen.
Put Notre Dame and Iowa State in the Big Ten and the hell with the rest of Big 12.
As much as I hate ND I would really like to see them in the Big Ten. They would never give up their NBC Notre Dame contract though and have to share any money.
Iowa State would make some sense and you could almost make a case for Kansas St coming to the Big Ten as well.
8 team playoff.
5 Power 5 conference champs plus 3 at large teams.
That way winning your conference means something and WIS/PS, OSU and MI all get in. Oklahoma gets in.
FreeSafety posted:8 team playoff.
5 Power 5 conference champs plus 3 at large teams.
That way winning your conference means something and WIS/PS, OSU and MI all get in. Oklahoma gets in.
A 12 team tournament would be the way to go to make the conference championships mean something, but the problem is there are 5 Power conferences instead of 4. You could award the top 4 rated POwer Conference champions an automatic bye, and then have the 5th go into an 8 team First Round playoff to see which four teams play the conference champs.
I agree that this year will expose the fact that the conference championship is not that important. It's very likely that Penn State/Bucky winner won't get in. If Florida would upset Alabama, it's almost certain that Alabama would still get into the playoff. If Washington or Clemson loses (which is more likely than Alabama), then Michigan likely gets in. Thus, you could imagine a scenario where 2 or 3 of the 4 playoff teams didn't win their conference.
I've been reading some things the last couple days that say Michigan will likely be the odd man out. The winner of Wisconsin/Penn St. will likely get the 4th playoff spot if either Clemson or Washington lose, sending UMich to the Rose Bowl to face the Pac12 championship loser. There was also talk that if Clemson or Washington struggle with their championship opponent and Wisconsin or Penn St. win convincingly, that the top 10 could reshuffle with the B1G winner leapfrogging a couple teams. Clemson is the likeliest team to lose or not win convincingly as they have not won many games convincingly this year, but Bucky needs to have the game of their lives.
CUPackFan posted:Not that anyone cares, but they should get rid of the Big 12, sending Texas and TCU to the Pac 12, West Virginia and Kansas to the ACC, Oklahoma and Oklahoma St to the SEC. Iowa St, Kansas St, Texas Tech, and Baylor would get screwed in my scenario (probably works better for the first three schools and frankly, screw Baylor). The Power 4 conference champs then play for the national title. No more stupid committee, strength of schedule, etc. and teams would be free to schedule a hard non-conference schedule without getting penalized. Non-conference games would be better, conference play would be more intense, and the conference championships would in effect be round 1 of the playoffs (ie: 8 teams). Oh, and the best part: Notre Dame gets screwed!
I agree with you about the conference consolidation, but I think they need to adopt the NFL playoff system and go to a 6 team playoff. 4 conference winners, 2 wildcard teams. 1 and 2 get a BYE, 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5. That way you're not penalizing teams for getting bumped out of a major conference, and good teams who lose competitive divisions still have a shot.
I don't think you can have a playoff system with byes. Then we are right back to where we are now arguing over who gets the bye.
It's great just the way it is.
Not if Washington gets in because of their weak ass schedule and MI, PS and WI are all kept out.
It's just not correct.
FreeSafety posted:I don't think you can have a playoff system with byes. Then we are right back to where we are now arguing over who gets the bye.
#1 and #2 get the byes, that seems pretty simple. Teams who win their conference SHOULD be ranked in the top 5, it's not easy to win a gauntlet of interconference play, even the PAC12.