Pluses and Minuses

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Defense in general and Daniels specifically. Hard to get a good gauge on the D until they face a better OL.

Offense and AR finally found a rhythm after struggling for most of the game (Seattle defense is really good).

After a rough start I thought Murphy settled in and played reasonably well against tough competition.

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MM timeouts at the end of the half. Seattle could have ran out the clock regardless and just a dumb decision by MM.

Penalty by Marty reminded me of one Lang had several years ago with much the same fan reaction. People will be less forgiving if and when the result is a loss.

On the Graham play in end zone Carroll said officials said ball was not catchable.

— Bob Condotta (@bcondotta) September 11, 2017

ChilliJon posted:

Pack-Man posted:

I dunno. Maybe you take that penalty in the 2nd quarter, not when you're almost in FG range trying to ice a game.

GB didn't need points at that point. They needed that first down. Which is why AR went head first. I thought Wright lead with his helmet. 

Wright has a long history with this kind of crap with GB. He was ejected years ago for trying to twist Dick Rodgers head clean off using Rodgers face mask. Last year he went head hunting on Dick Rodgers again and was flagged for 15 yards.

I think Bennett was fully aware going after Wright was after the whistle and the first down would stand. 

**** Wright and I'm glad someone went after that cocksucker. 

 

When the flag was thrown, they needed either one more 1st down or a FG to ice the game. SEA still had a TO and 3:09 was left on the clock when that play was run. The penalty put the offense back at their own 46, instantly removing them from the edge of FG range. The game was still in doubt. If the Packers hadn't gained another 1st down after that penalty, Seattle would have gotten the ball back with plenty of time to tie the game.

The penalty absolutely could have hurt them, but it's to Bennett's credit that he was the one who got the first down that iced the game a few plays later.

I blame that more on McCarthy than Capers.

Well, it was slightly sarcastic.  But giving up that third first down that got Seattle into FG range really ticked me off.

Give credit to Seattle, they lulled our players into thinking they would just run out the clock and go to the lockerroom. The D got complacent and Seattle took advantage. It looked like Dix was peaking into the backfield too long and couldn't get over the top fast enough. I think Rollins (maybe someone else?) had the underneath coverage and Dix was supposed to be there. 

Either way though, the D kept them out of the end zone for 4 quarters. There things to clean up: tackling, taking bad angles, discipline from Safeties, etc. Points are all that matters though, we can give up 700 passing yards and 300 rushing yards for all I care, as long as the other team stays out of the end zone then that's all fluff. Give Rodgers a chance and he will succeed.

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with exception of Seattle scoring drive before the half that's the best D and pass rush we've in a number of games.  Daniels in particular was a monster. 

Monty, Cobb, and Jordy looked in midseason form. 

Bennett and Kendricks made some big plays and I think will have a major impact this year on 3rd downs. 

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OL was shaky at times but the Seattle front 7 might be the best they see all year.  Need to get that fixed. 

Rodgers seemed to be holding onto the ball more than normal.  Thankfully it didn't cost them but I do not like seeing him take so many hits. 

Hated the defensive series right before the half. 

Overall, 1-0 and that's excellent heading into ATL.  

I felt the Lane ejection set the tone: Knock off the stupid crap and we'll let you play. There was a boatload of contact in the secondary all game. The five-yard bump zone was also the light grab and generally maul zone. Richard Sherman was smart enough to recognize and take advantage of it, as was House. Pitching to the umpire, if you will.

Positive:

I didn't hear Kevin King's name being called all game, except on a solid hit and break up of a would be TD that King and HHCD pushed the Seattle WR out of bounds making it an incomplete pass. When rookie CB's names aren't being called, that's usually a very good thing.

Randall also will a solid game today. Just maybe it was his health last season that had him playing like sh**. Now healthy, he looks like a much more confident player.

TJ Watt, 2 sacks and 1 Int in game 1

I can play this game.  Cleveland Browns 

But untilKing is a pro bowler and Biegs is on the field producing, what Watt does matters. If he becomes a perennial all-pro, and King/Biggs wash out in 5 years, its unforgivable. 

derps posted:

TJ Watt, 2 sacks and 1 Int in game 1

The Steeler's as a team racked up 7 sacks, including even CB Joe Haden who got one, a stupid amount of QB pressures and hurries because the Browns OL played horribly. They made Seattle's OL look competent.

So before we put TJ Watt in the Pro Bowl and make him rookie of year, let's temper his performance just a tad. They won't be playing the Browns OL every week.

It has been one game.  Even if that does.happen and we win one or two more Super Bowls.   Do you still care?  Let's cheer for the guys we have and move on. 

+ The Seahawks are a bunch of bozos and any time the Pack beats them, it feels like a sense of relief.

- I still feel the pain of the 2014 NFC title game loss, and still don't feel quite vindicated even though the Pack has won the last 3 vs. the Hags.

- I hope Bulaga is back for the next game.  Kyle Murphy is going to have a much tougher time on a fast track on the road dealing with crowd noise and a fast defense.  Murphy did adequately in this game, but I pray he isn't starting vs. the Falcons as they open their new stadium.

Murphy played 8 snaps last year.   So after the game here is what he said;

“It was pretty exciting; I’m not going to lie,” said Murphy of his first NFL start. “All of the scores were pretty fun to be a part of, but something like that (free play), that’s kind of unexpected. Once we get the ball snapped you already know it’s a positive play and then to make it, to get that cherry on top and get the touchdown is that much sweeter. I can’t say enough how fun it was to be out there for that play and plenty of others.”

Read more: http://www.packers.com/news-an...7c643a#ixzz4sNMpzcRg

Relax.  This guy is going to grow into a NFL tackle with that kind of attitude!

Pack-Man posted:

The penalty absolutely could have hurt them, 

How could the penalty have hurt them? They had the 1st down... then the penalty. So it was still 1st and 10. They kept possession and a fresh set of downs.

+  Rarely heard the Packers safeties / corner-backs mentioned. Huge game from the front 7.

Music City posted:

But untilKing is a pro bowler and Biegs is on the field producing, what Watt does matters. If he becomes a perennial all-pro, and King/Biggs wash out in 5 years, its unforgivable. 

Sorry, no it's not.

+++ Daniels is a beast! Perry played well, too! Our D Line spent a lot of time with Wilson. Kyle Murphy filled in well for Bulaga, He needs some work, yet, but he will be solid for us. Jordy! Cobb looked like he was having fun in his best game in years. Fackrell recovers Wilson's fumble and added pressure on Wilson in other snaps. Not too bad for a guy everyone wanted to cut.  Montgomery played well against one of the best run defenses in the league. Bahk, Taylor and Linsley were okay.  Vogel's punting was solid. A 57 yarder amongst his punts. Packers' ability to move the chains on Seattle. The feeling that our Defense out played Seattle's Defense all game long.

--- Linsley's bad snap to Rodgers could have been worse than it turned out. Rodgers getting "injured." He said his feet were being stepped on and his shins were getting kicked all game. J. Evans getting beat enough to notice. Davis not trying to catch some punts. Maybe he was told to do that against Seattle's special teams gunners. Rodgers looked out of sorts early in the game. Kind of like he didn't want to be there. Fackrell missing a tackle on special teams coverage. Not too good for a guy many wanted to cut from the roster.  Not covering the right side of Seattle's O line allowed several big plays to occur. Wilson's ability to run  the ball. A. Brooks concussion. Hope he is okay.

Hungry5 posted:

+  Rarely heard the Packers safeties / corner-backs mentioned. Huge game from the front 7.

Pretty happy with that.  Burnett and Rollins actually seemed like the weak point yesterday but you aren't going to shut them down entirely all game even if you do stupid **** like play aggressive defense because that's ****ing stupid.  

Here's to hoping Rollins isn't a pre-season superman.

4th qtr. 14-9 GB. 9:49 remaining. 2nd and 10. Clock stopped. Ty on the sideline getting his foot looked at. 

Williams gets the handoff, puts a foot in the ground and greases through a hole behind Taylor for 7 yards against a seven man front to the Seattle 26. Sets up a manageable 3rd and 3. AR hits Jordy for 5 on next play. Fresh set of downs. 

Williams is only going to get better but that was impressive. Coming off the bench like that in the 4th and finding that hole and pushing for seven yards on just his second carry of the game. 

Rollins made a great play on the ball and got a hand on a seam pass to Lockett (I think) in the end zone right before the half. He doesn't make the play it's 7-0 instead of 3-0. Big play. 

Chilli, I agree I was hoping to see more of him as well. 

I think we'll see more of Williams. Liked the work Ty put in when he had to pass protect. 

Ty is just so hard to take off the field. You can pretty much put Ty down for an automatic 100 total yards every week. He had 92 yesterday against a great D. 

ChilliJon posted:

4th qtr. 14-9 GB. 9:49 remaining. 2nd and 10. Clock stopped. Ty on the sideline getting his foot looked at. 

Williams gets the handoff, puts a foot in the ground and greases through a hole behind Taylor for 7 yards against a seven man front to the Seattle 26. Sets up a manageable 3rd and 3. AR hits Jordy for 5 on next play. Fresh set of downs. 

Williams is only going to get better but that was impressive. Coming off the bench like that in the 4th and finding that hole and pushing for seven yards on just his second carry of the game. 

I was so impressed with this, and this is what I saw from him in TC. 

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First caller of the day: My biggest negative is that TJ Watt wasn’t in uniform for the #Packers… Will bother me for his whole career.

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Next caller: I just want to clarify that I HAD NO PART of the wave at yesterday’s game. #Packers

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I'm over the TJ Watt thing. Call me back in three years.

TJ Watt gets limited snaps if he's a Packer yesterday. Clay and Nick had front row seats to the Russ Wilson show all day. 

After Seattle returns to opening KO to the 40. Nick almost sacks Wilson (sorry, that was grounding) on 1st then he does sack him on 3rd down. But people are depressed TJ Watt isn't a Packer. Amazing. 

Ricky Jean Francois was effusive in praising #Packers DL Mike Daniels. On learning he's never been a Pro Bowler. pic.twitter.com/iBx1ElAglZ

— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) September 11, 2017

#12 on Dan Patrick at about 930 MT time

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Jimmy Graham: 3 receptions for 8 yards. About as effective as Eddie Lacy.

I'm not going to get too high on our DL and not too low on our OL.  That's probably the best front 7 in football after they traded for Sheldon Richardson and in game 1, all were healthy.   Lost in it though were plenty of drop backs where Rodgers had 3-4 seconds in the pocket but no one was open.  Against the best DL in football when we're down our second best lineman, this is about what I expected.  

And on the DL, they looked amazing.  Daniels and Perry look like a two man wrecking crew.  If they were playing a less mobile QB, they get double digit sacks.  But the Seattle OL is also the worst in the league and has been for years.  Not one of their OL could crack our starting lineup (including Murphy).  So great start but hard to project the future performance of the front 7 knowing they will only play better o-lines going forward.  

Great win.  Very fun watching the defense play as well as they did.  

Reporter to Earl Thomas after the game,

"Earl. With as much as the defense was on the field today did you guys start to feel it towards the end of the game?"

Thomas,

"Man. It's been that way for eight years. You want to put it on us then put it on us. It isn't new"

Love the fight on the D, think it'll only get better when Diol is active and Brooks is healthy.

Yes, Dial in the rotation will be significant.

If Monty Adams can add anything then this DL could be really, really good. And fresh. 

The more snaps Daniels gets on 3rd down while rested is a very good thing. 

Daniels is really, really good in run D. I think he may be better in pass rush.

****in' animal yesterday.

Tschmack posted:

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with exception of Seattle scoring drive before the half that's the best D and pass rush we've in a number of games.  Daniels in particular was a monster. 

Maybe in years.

Monty, Cobb, and Jordy looked in midseason form. 

I hope how they looked is early season and mid season will be lights out from them

Bennett and Kendricks made some big plays and I think will have a major impact this year on 3rd downs. 

Always liked what Bennet brings to an offense, always wished he was a Packers, I never knew much about Kendricks. Really liked what I saw from the position in this game. That TE "screen" to Bennet was a beautiful play

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OL was shaky at times but the Seattle front 7 might be the best they see all year.  Need to get that fixed. 

Rodgers seemed to be holding onto the ball more than normal.  Thankfully it didn't cost them but I do not like seeing him take so many hits. 

Hated the defensive series right before the half. 

Overall, 1-0 and that's excellent heading into ATL.  

Also agree with all of this. But, it was Seattle's d-line and Rodgers will always be Rodgers.

 

FinnLander posted:

Music City posted:

But untilKing is a pro bowler and Biegs is on the field producing, what Watt does matters. If he becomes a perennial all-pro, and King/Biggs wash out in 5 years, its unforgivable. 

Sorry, no it's not.

I don't know MC well enough, but I actually thought he was being sarcastic...

but, what do I know is that too many people on here are too sensitive and ready to fight over any perceived difference of opinion.

*edited for clarity

ChilliJon posted:

Reporter to Earl Thomas after the game,

"Earl. With as much as the defense was on the field today did you guys start to feel it towards the end of the game?"

Thomas,

"Man. It's been that way for eight years. You want to put it on us then put it on us. It isn't new"

 

Probably the difference in the game. Seattle was gassed by the end of the 3rd:

"Green Bay dominated the time of possession, holding the ball for 39:13 to the Seahawks’ 20:47."