I believe it was fandame who brought this up, maybe a couple others too, but I think the play of the young guys in the secondary is invaluable at this point. Heyward, McMillan, and now House starting to show why he was being considered at starter opposite Tramon- these guys getting meaningful time on the field may serve this defense well in a stretch run. Shields was playing close to level of two years ago before he went down, and hopefully Wood can come back and be in that mix as well. But the more DB's they can field that have some clue the better imo.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
My take was that Driver had more confidence in Cobb making the play than he did in himself. For a guy grasping for playing time I don't see that as a positive.
I agree with you to a point, but I see it more as DD saying "this particular play is more suited for Cobb, no sense making him a blocker, I can do that".
DD may be grasping for playing time but I don't think he feels he should be taking primary target opportunities away from Cobb in the red zone. In fact it makes me wonder what MM was thinking on that play call. If Cobb doesn't get that ball thrown to him he ends the game with just 2 receptions. This is unacceptable offensive plan design when you have a weapon like Cobb.
I can see that side as well... what I posted was my initial reaction. Cobb was targeted at least two other times with 1 drop IIRC. With as often as they ran and Rodgers (admitted) being off, I wondered why they didn't run it more with Cobb.
Mason Crosby? I think Bing Crosby might do a better job.
quote:I wondered why they didn't run it more with Cobb.
A lot of exposure... Yeah, he is dynamic, but how often do you want him being exposed to 300+ DL falling on him?
quote:Originally posted by cuqui:quote:Missin Crosby is his new nickname. WTF happened to him?
Boris, I saw online somewhere yesterday that Slocum had gotten Crosby to change his run-up or steps in the early part of the season -- and he hasn't kicked the same since. Now its in his head. Hopefully during the bye he'll get it back together.
Slocum needs to be fired if this is true. It's like a golf swing. Why is Slocum screwing with his swing?
Cobb should have 12-15 touches every game if not more. Thankfully Driver did the right thing there. No way Driver gets into the EZ on that play if he's on the receiving end instead of Cobb.
quote:Originally posted by BrainDed:quote:I wondered why they didn't run it more with Cobb.
A lot of exposure... Yeah, he is dynamic, but how often do you want him being exposed to 300+ DL falling on him?
The way they run Cobb (so far) I don't see DL getting any shots at him.
Agree, they did go between the tackles once, but yeah tough for DL to slide all they outside on a pitch. Unless he gets turned back early.
I see Harvin getting snot bubbled once a game.. Mostly because he seems to relish the contact but also because of the position he is in when he gets his touches.
I see Harvin getting snot bubbled once a game.. Mostly because he seems to relish the contact but also because of the position he is in when he gets his touches.
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:
+++
Rodgers was very efficient
Cobb and Jones were excellent
Crabtree the secret weapon
Daniels and Neal looked solid
The young DBs played better this week
Good pressure by the DL
They had a good run game today
6-3 and getting better
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Hate to see the injuries
Crosby with another miss
Finley - as many catches as penalties
Agree with your evaluation with one exception about Rodgers being efficient. Too many really bad throws, hard to be efficient with a less than 50% completions. He made up for that with some great throws.
And what was Finley doing trying to stretch for an extra yard with an open hand and the football tucked to his belly? I had to laugh at that one.
quote:And what was Finley doing trying to stretch for an extra yard with an open hand and the football tucked to his belly? I had to laugh at that one.
I noticed that too.. Thought maybe he was trying to avoid getting his shoulder caught underneath him or something.
okay, I was flying home and missed the game, but based on the other games this season, I'll say that I'm really excited by some of the rookies on defense,
especially Moses (could be epic, even biblical-level player), Casey Jones "Choo Choo" Hayward, and Davon "This is my" House.
especially Moses (could be epic, even biblical-level player), Casey Jones "Choo Choo" Hayward, and Davon "This is my" House.
I know what Randall Cobb's negatives are:
Guy has the right attitude. He's going to be great!
quote:Randall Cobb â@rcobb18
9 targets and only 3 catches smh... It's a MUST that I make those plays! #DBA That's unacceptable...
Guy has the right attitude. He's going to be great!
why was that play called for Driver?
The Cards may have dropped some balls, but I'll say it again: The kids are alright! Without their development and being this good this early in the season and with how poorly our offense has performed, I think we would be sitting below .500 if they were "typical" rookies. One thing I'll give them (the DBs) credit for that I never would have thought possible, and that is their tackling. They tackle better than I thought they would. It's no wonder that Shields has not been missed much. He has got to be thinking about his job.
I was also impressed with Moses yesterday. He seems to be around the ball a lot or in the middle of the play. He was the guy who got a hand on a Skelton pass just before it was released to throw it off-target yesterday. He was also the guy to recover the blocked punt last week. He seems to have a knack for finding the ball. He may make some mistakes in situations he hasn't seen or because of his inexperience, but he makes up for them in other cases.
It's been a big plus that these guys have gotten great experience and yet been able to perform. Kudos also to the coaches for getting them ready.
I was also impressed with Moses yesterday. He seems to be around the ball a lot or in the middle of the play. He was the guy who got a hand on a Skelton pass just before it was released to throw it off-target yesterday. He was also the guy to recover the blocked punt last week. He seems to have a knack for finding the ball. He may make some mistakes in situations he hasn't seen or because of his inexperience, but he makes up for them in other cases.
It's been a big plus that these guys have gotten great experience and yet been able to perform. Kudos also to the coaches for getting them ready.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
My take was that Driver had more confidence in Cobb making the play than he did in himself. For a guy grasping for playing time I don't see that as a positive.
I don't know if DD thought, "I'm having a bad day and I think Cobb can get the TD," or if he thought, "I'm a better blocker and we need this right now." Either way, it's pretty unselfish. I'm okay with him thinking that he's having a bad day and it would be better for Cobb. I'd like to see Finley have that same sense of self-awareness.
Wait. Check that. Look at the replay of Rodgers' 25-yard scramble. It's Cobb who comes back and blocks for him.
Maybe because Driver dropped the first pass threw to him and then tipped the next one in the air on the phantom first down placement. Do we have a TE and a WR in need of sports psychologist? Can we send Dr. Bob?
quote:They tackle better than I thought they would. It's no wonder that Shields has not been missed much. He has got to be thinking about his job.
Totally disagree. He was horrible with tackling last year but he has been solid this year and has even made a couple "big" tackles before his injury. After nearly falling off the face of the earth late in training camp, he was looking good and I credit him for that too.
I have all the respect in the world for Donald Driver. He lacks no confidence. None. He's been through too much in this life and come too far to ever doubt himself. What he did when he broke that huddle was wise, selfless, and one of those acts of leadership that define Donald's character. Driver instilled the confidence he has in himself within Cobb.
That's respect and letting this kid know that he's the kind of player that belongs making big plays at big moments and the sooner he understands that responsibility and builds confidence by making big plays at big moments the better this team will be during the playoff push.
You can see by the way Cobb attacked the endzone how much Driver's push meant to him and how he wanted to make Driver proud.
Donald Driver is a big reason the WRs on this team developed into the best group in the NFL, the best group in the history of the great Green Bay Packer franchise, and quite possibly the deepest, most dynamic group in the history of the game.
I don't think I'd trade this set of receivers for any other that's ever played. To the last man they're all humble, accountable, and dedicated. The way they play off each other and support each other is the embodiment of professionalism and sportsmanship. Quickie set that standard and he's going to have a statue outside of Lambeau one day.
That's respect and letting this kid know that he's the kind of player that belongs making big plays at big moments and the sooner he understands that responsibility and builds confidence by making big plays at big moments the better this team will be during the playoff push.
quote:"Some things have to be believed to be seen."
â Madeleine L'Engle
You can see by the way Cobb attacked the endzone how much Driver's push meant to him and how he wanted to make Driver proud.
Donald Driver is a big reason the WRs on this team developed into the best group in the NFL, the best group in the history of the great Green Bay Packer franchise, and quite possibly the deepest, most dynamic group in the history of the game.
I don't think I'd trade this set of receivers for any other that's ever played. To the last man they're all humble, accountable, and dedicated. The way they play off each other and support each other is the embodiment of professionalism and sportsmanship. Quickie set that standard and he's going to have a statue outside of Lambeau one day.
Could not have said it any better.
Please don't get me wrong. I am not a Driver hater. He has been a great Packer and will no doubtedly be inducted into the Packer HOF. I did over do it on the confidence thing, my bad.
I do believe that his talent has dropped off and he no longer can separate from defenders with any regularity. That means he's trying to catch a ball with defenders very close to him. That can lead to drops. Perhaps he has moments of low confidence. All I see is that he is dropping a lot of passes.
One point that I haven't seen made: Refs can be less likely to flag a vet than a 1-2 year player. DD could have been called for interference on that pick play. Maybe there was some of that in his thought process.
I do believe that his talent has dropped off and he no longer can separate from defenders with any regularity. That means he's trying to catch a ball with defenders very close to him. That can lead to drops. Perhaps he has moments of low confidence. All I see is that he is dropping a lot of passes.
One point that I haven't seen made: Refs can be less likely to flag a vet than a 1-2 year player. DD could have been called for interference on that pick play. Maybe there was some of that in his thought process.
Interesting to note that the first guy to get to Cobb in the EZ was Driver, and he had already retrieved the ball. DD was probably telling him, "Did ya see my block?" 
We did, and a good thing the ref didn't!
We did, and a good thing the ref didn't!
I want to see that little girl go up against Mike Neal.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Bad angles and bad tackling
Yeah but as an RB this kid does two things our guys seem to find difficult: hit the cutback lanes and get some YAC. Fun vid.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Bad angles and bad tackling
Put her and Cobb in the backfield and watch the scoreboard light up!
Couple more years she won't be taking plays off, but games... like every 4th one.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Couple more years she won't be taking plays off, but games... like every 4th one.
Yup, just like all those Olympic athletes can't compete every fourth week.
That wasn't a little girl, it was Darrel Sproles
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Bad angles and bad tackling
That little girl is nasty!
Her nickname should be Miss Jackson. Touchdown dance should be pretending to powder her face. That'd be hilarious but probably demoralizing to all the boys on the defense.
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
...When coach Mike McCarthy called a play that was designed to go to Driver on a quick slant with tight end Jermichael Finley and wide receiver Randall Cobb basically running interference for him, Driver broke the huddle, turned to Cobb and told the second-year playmaker to take his place. Driver, in turn, would do the dirty work.
The result? A 13-yard third-and-goal touchdown to the incredible Cobb, who continues to make breathtaking plays week after week...
I'm having a hard time reconciling this with this quote from the JSO that Hungry 5 posted in another thread:
quote:The decider: Quarterback Aaron Rodgers wasn't as sharp with his throws as he would have liked Sunday against Arizona, but one area where he was on target was with his audibles.
Against the Cardinals, both of the touchdown passes Rodgers threw to Randall Cobb came after audibles...
It doesn't make sense to me...
