Can we talk about how terrible this pass was in the biggest situation in the game
Worth every single penny
— Jake (@SeedsofJake) September 26, 2022
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Anyone besides Brady gets the delay and throws this pass and the football world would be calling for the backup QB
Mentioned this play in the @lockedonpackers post-game live show. Jarran Reed held by two Bucs right in front of the official with no call.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) September 26, 2022
I hate to be “blame the refs” guy cuz it’s just boring but the officiating in Tampa was brutal all day. pic.twitter.com/XkziZDBjOL
Really bad day for the refs. Horrible running into the kicker call changed the game.
Say, ah, even #12 knew the TD play should have been a delay of game penalty too.
“They should've on the previous play too, it was a delay on both plays," Rodgers said. "Sometimes you see things in a game. Sometimes the jumbotron shows things they probably shouldn't show, even at home. I just saw something, I just passed on the information."
Reporters asked head coach Matt LaFleur what Rodgers had seen on the jumbotron, but he was equally as coy.
"We were talking about a few things," LaFleur said. "I'm not going to share that."
(yardbarker.com)
Oh, and then there’s this….. https://www.huffpost.com/entry...6b43e4b00f7fcb544ddf
gawd I love being right. 
@michiganjoe posted:Mentioned this play in the @lockedonpackers post-game live show. Jarran Reed held by two Bucs right in front of the official with no call.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) September 26, 2022
I hate to be “blame the refs” guy cuz it’s just boring but the officiating in Tampa was brutal all day. pic.twitter.com/XkziZDBjOLReally bad day for the refs. Horrible running into the kicker call changed the game.
Peston looking like a Halloween decoration on that play!
The TD play it seemed like time had expired but clearly on the 2pt attempt the Bucs were tardy.
Officiating was terrible in this game especially with all the holding non calls on DB DL. But that’s sort of the Bucs MO.
I’m thrilled they got the W despite the refs and lack of offense in the second half and Jaire injury. That was a confidence and character building type game. Plus it sends a message to Tampa that GB has closed the gap especially on D and STs and won’t be an easy out if they play again down the stretch.
People can talk all they want about Philly and Minnesota and LA Rams but if the Packers and Bucs continue to play defense like they have they are the two best teams in the NFC. I know Brady is like 65 years old and Rodgers has his issues at times in close games but both teams are stacked on D. Defense travels well and matters so much in the playoffs.
@Goldie posted:Oh, and then there’s this….. https://www.huffpost.com/entry...6b43e4b00f7fcb544ddf
gawd I love being right.
Very close, but as many here have "tried" to point out ....the officials CAN'T watch both the snap and the clock at the same time as we are. This is exactly how they describe the process "“As far as our mechanics, the back judge is looking at the play clock and if it were to hit zero, he sees the zero, and he then looks to see if the ball is being snapped,” Novak said. “If the ball is being snapped, we will let the play go. If it’s not moving, it’s delay of game. Those are the mechanics that we apply on that play.” ....in using those mechanics, there can be a 1-1.5 second delay between the clock and the snap and delay of game won't be called.
With technology, you would think the official could have something on his wrist that would vibrate when the play clock was at 00?
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Does anyone really give a hoot about that loser skippy?? Ugh…..
Just why would you even post something from that spaz?
@R MaN posted:With technology, you would think the official could have something on his wrist that would vibrate when the play clock was at 00?
Seems like a lot of technology could be used....what about a chip in the ball that would take care of the whole "crossing the plane of the goaline" and First downs?
Sure but it just gives him more exposure. If everyone ignored him he'd go away. Bayless, not PP. 
First half + Both Off and Def
Second half + Def - Off. Those 3 and outs and letting Brady stay close in the score was killing me!
I think we all need to stop reading what these bozo's are writing bout...I usually listen to bill michael's but stopped... the slap he put on the offense, you would think they lost this game...wtf - TB is a very strong team, we beat them at their home...wow, you can't please anybody, I know I am damn happy about winning this game.
@R MaN posted:With technology, you would think the official could have something on his wrist that would vibrate when the play clock was at 00?
That just makes too much sense.
@Blair Kiel posted:That just makes too much sense.
They reserve that for gentleman's sports...like tennis and soccer. (And web cam models).
Upon further reflection, I think I now believe MLF proved yesterday he was able to get over the hump and pick up a tough regular season road win against an opponent the Packers have struggled with the last 10+ years.
Yes, the Bucs were missing some key offensive guys (but so were the Packers), but the defense and ST stepped up in ways they had not done previously in years past.
It was a much better win than I initially thought.
@Chongo posted:Upon further reflection, I think I now believe MLF proved yesterday he was able to get over the hump and pick up a tough regular season road win against an opponent the Packers have struggled with the last 10+ years.
Yes, the Bucs were missing some key offensive guys (but so were the Packers), but the defense and ST stepped up in ways they had not done previously in years past.
It was a much better win than I initially thought.
It was a really nice win for sure! I hated the prevent defense at the end though. It nearly cost us big.
Positives
1. Having speed and athleticism at ILB makes a huge difference. The decision to move on from the Blake Martinez/AJ Hawk/Jake Ryan run-stopper/assignment sure types and invest heavily in that position paid off yesterday.
2. Rashan Gary is going to get paid. Big time.
3. The special teams looks even better than competent.
4. Bakh and Jenkins as your tackles nullifies edge pressure.
Negatives
1. The speed at ILB and DB the Packers now have really makes the lack of speed yesterday at WR stand out. Watson may have dropped that 75 yard TD on the first play of the season, but just having that play on tape makes the deep safeties have to play back a step or two. It reinforces that the biggest problem with the offense in the SF playoff game last year was the lack of a deep threat with MVS not healthy. Doubs was outstanding, and he's a 4.47 guy which makes him stand out compared to the 2022 versions of Cobb and Watkins as well as Lazard (who while effective, is one of the slowest WRs in the league). Christian Watson is a 4.36 guy. They need him on the field for a lot of snaps the rest of the year.
2. Amari Rodgers got 3 snaps on offense (including the kneel down). They pulled Winfree off the practice squad to give them 13 snaps and he was absolutely no threat to do anything. The entire team and fanbase exhale when Amari can just cleanly catch a ball and if he can't get snaps on offense in a game like yesterday, when will he? If he wasn't a 3rd round pick, he'd be on a practice squad somehere. Get a real returner and clear his roster spot.
3. The Packers need to get their 5 best lineman on the field at the same time. The Bucs overloading the right side of the line with their big guys really caused problems. I think their best 5 (when fully healthy) are Bakh, Jenkins, Myers, Nijman, and Runyan. Figure out who out of Nijman/Jenkins is going to play RT and get the other guy at guard. Jenkins was a top 5 NFL guard as a rookie. Maybe stick Yosh at RT and move Jenkins inside.
@MichiganPacker posted:Positives
2. Amari Rodgers got 3 snaps on offense (including the kneel down). They pulled Winfree off the practice squad to give them 13 snaps and he was absolutely no threat to do anything. The entire team and fanbase exhale when Amari can just cleanly catch a ball and if he can't get snaps on offense in a game like yesterday, when will he? If he wasn't a 3rd round pick, he'd be on a practice squad somehere. Get a real returner and clear his roster spot.
3. The Packers need to get their 5 best lineman on the field at the same time. The Bucs overloading the right side of the line with their big guys really caused problems. I think their best 5 (when fully healthy) are Bakh, Jenkins, Myers, Nijman, and Runyan. Figure out who out of Nijman/Jenkins is going to play RT and get the other guy at guard. Jenkins was a top 5 NFL guard as a rookie. Maybe stick Yosh at RT and move Jenkins inside.
Agree on #2 whole heartedly. It must be harder to find a returner than we think. I would hope the Packers have been looking to improve their. He's a wildcard when the ball comes to him, and just never makes smart decisions. I feel the same about Love and his draft position.
#3 - What does Newman have that allows him to blackmail his way onto the starting lineup? It's clear, at least to most of us outside observers, he doesn't belong in the top five yet he keeps getting a starting spot. I'm not sure the Packers are confident with Nijman at RT, but then start Tom at RG. Or hell, give Caleb Jones a shot at RG. Getting tired of seeing Newman get trucked.
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I'm starting to think our STs could actually be a weapon after yesterday, which is quite a change when last year I watched peeking through my fingers like at a horror movie every time they came onto the field. Except Amari; find someone, anyone who knows when to run and when not to. Doubs was better than advertised in this big of a game, and if Rodgers had gone to him on that last drive instead of taking the sack he might not have made the first down, but he sure would have made it interesting. (I think AR looked immediately to the right and never looked in Doubs' direction.) Bahk being back; the rotation with Yosh seemed to go okay. Quay is going to be a stud. Raise your hand if you knew Nixon was going to put out that kind of game on short notice. Uh-huh, didn't think I'd see any hands. Thank goodness for O'Donnell -- better than advertised!
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Running game; Jones' fumble seeming to throw the O into a tailspin -- they gotta be better than that; Jaire; and so on.
Technically when the play clock hits 0:00 there is still 0:00:99 milliseconds before the clock would actually expire causing delay of game. That’s why there has always been that ~1 second grace period and the touchdown was not delay of game but the 2PA was. If they wanted to be exacting on time they should add milliseconds to all game clocks, or at least have the play clock go to -1 to signal delay of game.
Great points all around .... the grinding halt of our offense coincided with TB scraping so much zone coverage and going to more man-to-man. As with our defense, zone lends itself to communication problems and blown coverages, but more and more teams are reluctant to play man for fear of giving up the big play.
JT breaks down Rodgers game tape vs the Bucs.
We have one of the best CB groups and OLB groups in the league. Press man with those corners and pass rush is the way to best use those tools.
I think what is getting glossed over a bit is just how good the special teams were against Tampa. Nixon and Ford were demons in coverage. I saw Quay Walker and Sherman Jean Charles get involved as well. That was a pleasant surprise.
Also agree with MP2 on the importance of Watson in this offense. His ability to even show he can blow the top off a defense will force teams like SF and TB to adjust their pass defense accordingly. Those teams are so good within 15 yards of LOS because their backers cover a lot of ground and safeties can play shallow. You have a deep threat it will draw coverage back and potentially open up more things underneath. Tampa had no such problem because there was no MVS or Watson type guy to worry about.
Even if he’s a glorified decoy Watson has a ton of value so it’s important he gets healthy and gets back out there.
@NumberThree posted:Technically when the play clock hits 0:00 there is still 0:00:99 milliseconds before the clock would actually expire causing delay of game. That’s why there has always been that ~1 second grace period and the touchdown was not delay of game but the 2PA was. If they wanted to be exacting on time they should add milliseconds to all game clocks, or at least have the play clock go to -1 to signal delay of game.
I don't think that's correct. I've heard it explained several times now over the last several years that the offense gets that extra "grace second" simply because it's the time it takes the ref to see the clock hit zeros, then look back down at the ball.
And 00:00 is zero, not 00:00:99. It's at 00:01 from 00:01:00 to 00:00:01. When the clock shows 00:01, it sits at 00:01 for exactly 1 second. Then it's zero. In the NFL, the clock rounds up to the nearest second (their clocks don't show fractions of a second like NBA) so in some cases a team might get almost an extra second from the rounding up, but zero is still zero.
Watson needs to be available. He keeps missing valuable time and the more he misses the less #12 is going to look for him.
@BrainDed posted:We have one of the best CB groups and OLB groups in the league. Press man with those corners and pass rush is the way to best use those tools.
I agree ....too much "I thought you were supposed to pass him off to me but you stayed with him" ...lends itself to too much indecision. All of your LBers & DBs have to have high football IQ to play zone well. However, with all the pick plays being allowed now, no one wants to risk playing man.
I can't believe all the hand-wringing about clocks reaching zero. They got called the 2nd time when it was blatant and we won the damn game. We've also benefited from the ~1s delay many times given how long Rodgers waits to snap the ball.
@Harry Manback posted:Agree on #2 whole heartedly. It must be harder to find a returner than we think. I would hope the Packers have been looking to improve their. He's a wildcard when the ball comes to him, and just never makes smart decisions. I feel the same about Love and his draft position.
#3 - What does Newman have that allows him to blackmail his way onto the starting lineup? It's clear, at least to most of us outside observers, he doesn't belong in the top five yet he keeps getting a starting spot. I'm not sure the Packers are confident with Nijman at RT, but then start Tom at RG. Or hell, give Caleb Jones a shot at RG. Getting tired of seeing Newman get trucked.
I’m not a fan of Newman either but per PFF grades for this week, Runyan was the worst player on the line and Newman was 2nd best. I think in general, both of our current starters at Guard need to play better week after week or risk losing their spots.
@DH13 posted:I don't think that's correct. I've heard it explained several times now over the last several years that the offense gets that extra "grace second" simply because it's the time it takes the ref to see the clock hit zeros, then look back down at the ball.
And 00:00 is zero, not 00:00:99. It's at 00:01 from 00:01:00 to 00:00:01. When the clock shows 00:01, it sits at 00:01 for exactly 1 second. Then it's zero. In the NFL, the clock rounds up to the nearest second (their clocks don't show fractions of a second like NBA) so in some cases a team might get almost an extra second from the rounding up, but zero is still zero.
When the play clock is reset to 00:40:00 seconds and begins to count down to zero, the 40th second is the period of time between 00:39:01 to 00:40:00 because the play clock does not start at 00:40:99. That equates to the final second occurring between 00:00:00 to 00:00:99.
You can see an easy representation of this here by setting the time to 40 (or just use the Quick Set 30 second timer): https://time-stuff.com/timer.html
@BrainDed posted:Watson needs to be available. He keeps missing valuable time and the more he misses the less #12 is going to look for him.
And that's on #12, not on #9.
@MichiganPacker posted:Positives
1. Having speed and athleticism at ILB makes a huge difference. The decision to move on from the Blake Martinez/AJ Hawk/Jake Ryan run-stopper/assignment sure types and invest heavily in that position paid off yesterday.
Could not agree more.
D. Campbell leaped to make the deflection on the 2-point conversion. Q. Walker made the hard hit that jarred the ball loose from Perriman at the end of the first half when TB was nearly in the red zone. Q. Walker made the hit on Fields as he was heading into the end zone last week that led to the 4th down stop.
3 plays that the Hawk's, Ryan's, Martinez's, Brad Jones', Nate Palmer's and the rest of the JAGs who were allowed to play ILB for the Packers did not make over the past 11 seasons.
Got to give Gute a lot of credit here.
After witnessing Ted Thompson's devotion to assignment-sure and unathletic ILBs contributing mightily to GB's poor defenses, he tried (but failed) to get an athletic ILBer by trading up in the 3rd round of the 2018 draft and taking Burks, he then found Campbell, and most recently used a 1st round pick on Walker.
This approach to the ILB position represents a clear break from Ted. In fact, had Ted still been the GM I highly doubt that Martinez would have been allowed to get out of town without a big second contract.
@NumberThree posted:That equates to the final second occurring between 00:00:00 to 00:00:99.
You can see an easy representation of this here by setting the time to 40 (or just use the Quick Set 30 second timer): https://time-stuff.com/timer.html
So this is why I'm always a day late and a dollar short!
