Pos/Neg Packers Cryboys

Positives:

-Aaron Jones!!!!!  He made Vander Esch look like a scrub more than once.  And double positive, I started him on my fantasy team.  

-Rodgers - played well.  He gets 2 of those 2 TDs instead of Jones and stats look a whole lot better.  But same score whether he gets the TDs or Jones, so I don't care.  And doing it without Adams is impressive.  Not a lot of combined experience and talent at pass catcher without Adams. 

-MLF - there were a few calls i didn't like (ie: that one series at the goal line...) but overall, he called a damn good game on the road without Adams.  And outside of that short field goal, his play calling at the goal line was much improved.  i think he learned something from last week...

-Jenkins - sorry Lane, I think your Packers career is over. 

-Savage - defense changed when he went out.  It really showed how important he is to this pass defense.  He may already be one of our most important defenders.  

-Smith Bros - nothing more needs to be said, these two have been great all year.   Just need Z to stay healthy.  

-I turned the game off after they went up 31-3.  Nothing good comes from a game when you're up 31-3.  You expect to cruise to a win and anything less is just painful to watch.  

Negatives

-Cowboys going on a 21-3 run in the third/fourth quarter.  I get that Savage went out when things got bad but come on, just play the way you played the first three quarters, when you held the Cowboys to 3 points.  Biggest mistake coaches make is coaching based on the score.  Goes for both offense and defense.  

We have to be pretty happy with this team being 4-1 against the Bears, Vikings, Broncos, Eagles and Cowboys.  Broncos might be 1-4 but they could easily be 3-2 if their defense didn't melt down twice.  They just need to stay healthy.  They're thin in the secondary and at WR and OL, so really cant handle any injuries there.  Not good when Adams already missed a game, Savage left the game today, and you have historically injured players like King and Bulaga to rely on. 

AR seems to be playing more and more within LaFluers offense. And yes, that’s a very big deal. 

When you look at the number of audibles he did  in weeks 1-2 vs now, it’s quite noticeable. He seems much more content taking  what defenses give him, even if that means it’s not going to look as “pretty” via his own personal stats. Rodgers seems much more focused on doing what it takes to win. 

And unlike every QB he’s faced sans Carson Wentz, he also isn’t making stupid mistakes or giving the ball away. A very big reason they’re 4-1. 

beat da pies in Dallas and detroit by 17.

Really nice win. Played what I thought was tantamount to a damn near perfect game through 40 minutes. Good balance on offense, saw the TEs get involved, kept with Jones, more short stuff underneath.  REALLY want to see them continue to get the TEs involved more. I think the offense is day/night when that threat exists. Defense got pressure, allowed some plays, but also got TOs. 

Last 20 was not great, not sure if Pettine backed off or D was gassed, but pressure stopped, and then the offense I think got into "run clock" mode.  Would have liked to see Pettine adjust a bit earlier on Cooper, but look, it's hard to dominate a good team, and Dallas is good. They are pros with pride.  Frustrating for us fans, sure, but stuff to work on.

I'm not incentivized enough to research it, but it just feels like the offense does better when they are moving with tempo and every play isn't a rush rush to snap the ball before delay of game. Maybe young guys not in position, maybe WRs aren't as quick to adjust when AR makes a call? Maybe confirmation bias on my part.

4-1 is awesome. Let's keep it rolling next week!  I do really think that a veteran WR that reliably is where he needs to be at all times is missing from this offense. If nothing else, would be a good safety blanket for AR. 

FLPACKER posted:

artis posted:

- Not crazy about 12's decision making today. It's great that other units are chipping in to seal these wins, but AR is capable of so much better than he's shown. At some point they will need him to pull out a win or two. The errant throwaway that was ruled a fumble and the sack late are too reminiscent of Bert at this point.

Funny, AR said in his presser that he thought it was the best game he has played this season. Said he has enough career stats and just wants to win. No turnovers is the most important stat. 

He did a bunch of good things today. But putting together drives in crunchtime needs to improve. More sustained drives consistently would have salted the game rather than always scraping by. The 4th qtr should have been a cakewalk.

Guteplenty did a nice job activating Carson and getting Sullivan off the Eagles. 

The bye week cannot come fast enough.

ammo posted:

++++

Smith Twins

Aaron Jones

Lots of Packer fans at A T & T

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Defense was gassed. Need more depth and better rotations.

Still need to work on red zone offense.

 

 

 

If Vitale didn’t whiff on the LB he was supposed to block, jones has a fifth TD

Positives:  Gute hit the jackpot with most of his personnel moves this offseason.  They still have some places they need to shore up but the improvement from the 2017/18 seasons is evident.

Negatives:   Man, I was ticked when Z. Smith got in Prescott's face after 1 of the INTs.  He was lucky he didn't get a penalty for that, but he got penalized for a couple other things.  Just shut your mouth, play football and stop being an idiot.  

artis posted:

FLPACKER posted:

artis posted:

- Not crazy about 12's decision making today. It's great that other units are chipping in to seal these wins, but AR is capable of so much better than he's shown. At some point they will need him to pull out a win or two. The errant throwaway that was ruled a fumble and the sack late are too reminiscent of Bert at this point.

Funny, AR said in his presser that he thought it was the best game he has played this season. Said he has enough career stats and just wants to win. No turnovers is the most important stat. 

He did a bunch of good things today. But putting together drives in crunchtime needs to improve. More sustained drives consistently would have salted the game rather than always scraping by. The 4th qtr should have been a cakewalk.

Um, do we forget our defense was ALL new, offensive line had newbies, the WR core was so depleted.....so a cakewalk???  Not, but thank gawd they did have just enough points to beat the cowpokes huh???  Kinda like a pecan pie in the face eh??  

I thought Gary had pretty decent coverage in elliot running down sideline. The pass was perfect. 

fightphoe93 posted:

Positives:  Gute hit the jackpot with most of his personnel moves this offseason.  They still have some places they need to shore up but the improvement from the 2017/18 seasons is evident.

Negatives:   Man, I was ticked when Z. Smith got in Prescott's face after 1 of the INTs.  He was lucky he didn't get a penalty for that, but he got penalized for a couple other things.  Just shut your mouth, play football and stop being an idiot.  

Championship swagger, gotta love the trash talk. After years of watching milquetoast guys like AJ Hawk just go through the motions, I love seeing seeing Packers mix it up on the field. He’s backing it up just like Jaire Alexander, teams need to have an edge. Favre shit talked every DL he played against it seemed.

Dorsey Levens was the last RB to have 4 touch downs in a game......

Game Balls

• Jones, of course.
• MLF and #12, 11 catches from our RB's to make up for missing Adams.
• Jenkins.  Kid is going to be a perennial All Pro.
• No namers stepping up in the secondary.
• 4-1 with a very tough schedule.   Couldn't ask for much better start for a rebuild with a 1st year coach.
• Rodgers seems to be playing within the system more as each week passes.

Get that fixed

• Kick coverage.  Crosby with his 3rd tackle of the season.  That's unacceptable fellas.
• Zebras.  Both ways.  Just a shit show.
• 2nd half pass rush.  Should have been time to pad the sack stats with the Boys missing their starting tackles.  Instead they turned it into a game.
• Dean Lowry.  Got abused over and over for 2nd week in a row.  Looking like a poor choice to extend him. 

Goldie posted:

Dorsey Levens was the last RB to have 4 touch downs in a game......

When did you date him?

I tend to agree with GD on the trash talk.  The Smiths and Alexander have been pretty much non-stop hustle and enthusiasm. When you are getting sacks and interceptions, you can act however TF you want in my book.

Just don’t draw a flag.

Bottom line is: Whatever works.

Z knew exactly what he was doing. That's getting in Daks head. However, you're right & Z needs to stay on this side of the line without crossing it. It's ok to get in an opponents head but don't cost your team. 

It pays dividends later in the game & you saw when Dak threw the INT in the EZ. Besides. I'm sick of weak ass defense where all the mindset was...."Don't sweat it....Aaron will bail us out!"

I laughed at Garrett spiking the red flag in front of the ref. He was pissed because he knew he was using up his last challenge. Win or lose. But he had to use it. Great catch by Amari Cooper.

Gotta get healthy for next contest. This is the NFL & it's never easy. 

Goldie posted:

Um, do we forget our defense was ALL new, offensive line had newbies, the WR core was so depleted.....so a cakewalk???  Not, but thank gawd they did have just enough points to beat the cowpokes huh???  Kinda like a pecan pie in the face eh??  

At 31-3, yeah, it should not have come down to a potential onside kick. I get that it's nitpicking. And I'm happy that they're 4-1. But the lack of sustained drives has been happening for years now. Of course it's not all on Rodgers, and he played very well today. But there are teams in the league that get such a lead and coast in 4th qtrs. It's not unheard of. 

Poz - We have 2 road wins, twice as many as last year, both against the NFC.  Last year our only road win was against the JETS, in OT.

JK Scott with 6 kicks, 49.5 avg, 2 inside the 20 from the other side of the field. Dude has provided long fields all season. He’s becoming a weapon...

- Premature 'Dagger'lation in the game thread 

+ that was fun to watch (in the first half)

- that was almost a flashback to mm/dc (in the second half)

but the curse is broken.  didn't like the injuries, esp 55,he must stay healthy, i wished he stayed out of the game, hope he didn't do any 'further' kind of damage to the knee...hope its just pain management thing.

4-1 feels good, didn't think it would happen, without 17 and the handful of starters, yep, feels good.

fightphoe93 posted:

Positives:  Gute hit the jackpot with most of his personnel moves this offseason.  They still have some places they need to shore up but the improvement from the 2017/18 seasons is evident.

 

You got that right.  Gute is putting together something pretty darn good and I think he will continue to plug the other holes this rosters has.

Positives:  We beat the freaking Cowboys that's always a good day

Jones!  It was great to see them pound the rock with him and keep giving it to him.  I like MLF style that he will stick to the run and not abandon it to be overly cute.

The defense gave up more yards than it probably should have but I am really liking their style of play.  Hard nosed, aggressive, and well coached. 

Negatives: 

Injuries.  Good god man how many players went down.  I know the Packers are probably about the league average with injuries but it just feels like they have more than others

Troy Aikman.  I usually try and ignore Buck and Aikman but yesterday I couldn't.  Aikman was slobbering all over the Cowboys constantly.  UGH

Officiating:  That roughing call on Gary may have been one of the worst calls I have ever seen. 

-  MLF is starting to win me over: offense is starting to gel; seeing things I haven’t seen the Packers do in years; loving his demeanor, it flows to the team

- Agree with the defense showing some attitude as long as it doesn’t start happening at critical times and costing needless penalties.

- Yup, kick coverage needs attention.

- I’m not sure I like ABM’s end game strategy when there’s a whole quarter left to play. Cowpokes almost made him pay for that. He knew they’d be slinging it but couldn’t slow ‘em down. Might just be this young defense letting up and thinking the work is over.

Pos+ 

Jones was fantastic and Tra Carson I thought did well

The TEs made plays and Jimmy effing Graham actually blocked!  

Rodgers is Rodgers he just owns the Cowboys 

Liked the play calling on offense.  Dallas was on their heels most of the game 

Good to see Bulaga and King our there and Z gutted it out 

Negs- 

I didn’t think the defense played particularly well but they made key plays in big moments.  Things went downhill in the pass D when Savage left. 

4 catches by the receivers?  That will not get it done.  I’ve said this for a while now but G Mo needs to step up.   Hopefully Gute makes a move to add a vet WR. 

Special teams coverage at times was shaky just like last week.  I do not want to see Crosby making tackles week after week. 

Injuries once again - heck on both teams.  The NFL needs to expand rosters and the trade deadline.

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In the end, a very good win and an important win just like the win at Chicago.  Head to head victories are always important and beating a good team in their house isn’t typical in the NFL.    Early in the year of their 16 games I think this one (at Dallas) was easily one of their 4-5 toughest games and they got the W.  

They have a great opportunity in front of them next week to get to 3-0 in the division. 

+ I get to listen to sports radio today without being pissed like I was last week.

- My neighbor is an eagles fan and we bet last week that the loser had to pick up the dog crap from the winner's yard.  Being a superstitious person, I'm gonna have to clean up his yard again this week.  

Postives:

4-1!!! Woohoo, Jones, Smiths', First half defense, Graham, Kevin King, pass rush, interceptions,  Jenkins is going to be a stud

Negatives:

Jaire Alexander- I thought he was pretty awful. I don't ever remember seeing him be dominated for an entire game like he was, second half defensive collapse was hard to watch, receivers didn't do much, injuries, Vitale appeared to miss quite a few blocks, 12 made some bad throws and mismanaged the clock a bit

Lot of hand wringing over 4 catches by GB WR’s. Kumerow dropped a pass that would have been a huge gain on the sideline. Sheppard dropped a great pass that would have been a red zone TD.  

Im looking at all this the other way. 

Aaron Rodgers didn’t throw a TD pass. The defense didn’t score. ST didn’t score. GB hung 31 on a good defense. NOBODY here would have thought that was possible two years ago. And J Williams stayed in GB. 

I agree GB could use a true #2 WR next to Adams. If that happens then this offense becomes a powder keg. MLF said he was going to run the ball. He wasn’t just tossing around disposable comments in pressers. 

The big thing about Rodgers is that he doesn't feel that he has to throw TD passes as long as they win. There are a lot of QBs that would make sure that they did some stat padding down in the red zone, but they took what was working. Also, Rodgers makes sure he doesn't make a mistake that ends up losing the game. He's a game manager who is capable of playing like a superstar if they need it at some point. 

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The Heckler posted:

Officiating:  That roughing call on Gary may have been one of the worst calls I have ever seen. 

When I first saw the play, I didn't even think Gary got near him, but he did brush his hand over the side of Prescott's helmet.  I suppose to an official in live action, the brush could look like it was a full on hit to the head, but in replay clearly it was just barely grazing the helmet.  Prescott probably didn't even feel it, it was such a light brush.  I sweat that in nearly every NFL game I see, there's at least 1 "roughing" call that looks like a complete joke and that play qualified as a joke. 

I'll say that refs don't have it easy.  They're chastised by the league if they don't make these calls so they try to err on the side of too much caution and call more of the "roughing" penalties on than are really necessary. 

13X posted:

Negatives:

Jaire Alexander- I thought he was pretty awful. I don't ever remember seeing him be dominated for an entire game like he was

He wasn't dominated the entire game, but he did give up some big plays, at the same time he had some splash of his own.

I'd like to see roughing the passer calls in the reviewable group.

+++++ Aaron Jones. Our run defense, which was being scrutinized by everyone, did well to stop most of Zeke's and Pollard's running. Lucas Patrick stepped in at Center, when Linsley went down, and did a great job! There were zero bad snaps or miscommunications between ARod and Patrick on any snap, that I saw. Will Redmon had a great game. He really made up for his lackluster game the week before. Chandon Sullivan also had a nice game and a big INT. Jaire got an INT as did Kevin King! The Smiths both played well and harassed Prescott all game. Fackrell got into the act on several plays, too. Adrian Amos had a big hit in the backfield. The Dallas kicker missing two FGs. The last of which would have cut the deficit to 7 and would have given the Cowpokes a chance at an on-side kick. Instead they turn it over on downs. Beating Jerry's cowpokes in Dallas, again, was priceless! 4-1, Baby!

------ Letting the cowpokes comeback. Jaire got beat on a few plays that went for big gains for Dallas. He played well, again, the rest of the game. We could not seem to stop Cooper. The roughing the passer call on Rashan Gary was ridiculous; especially when there were no roughing the passer calls when Quinn clotheslined ARod and two other players nearly ripped ARod in half on a blitz. The calls that negated a fumble recovery by the Packers and an INT in the end zone the following play really sucked, as well.  Hopefully,  the injuries sustained are short term ones. 

I didn't like Adams running backward in the 4th quarter, could have been 3rd and 10 if he just went down instead of a long 3rd and I believe 22.  

Third and 10 is amenable even with a depleted receiving corpse (thanks Obama), 3rd and 22, not so much.

Dak had 0 passing yards on 3rd down...0 yards. 

Yes we gave up some big plays and we have all year, that needs to be cleaned up. I like that Pettine is showing confidence in his guys to put them in 1on1 situations even after they give up plays. You can't play scared in this league and go into a shell, players don't seem to be jazzed about it and it's not always effective. I give Pettine credit for not panicking despite Will Redmond, Chandon Sullivan, and Josh Jackson playing the bulk of the snaps on defense opposite Jaire and Amos. I think those guys have potential to be positive contributors, but none are ready for primetime. He was shorthanded. 

packerboi posted:

The Smiths have now combined for 10.5 sacks, and they're not even all the way through 5 games. Z (2) and P (1) have three today. It's unreal how they've changed this #Packers pass rush overnight.

— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) October 6, 2019

Everything about these 2 guys fires me up to no end. 

They came in from Day One obviously happy AF to be here and to get paid what they are worth.  You could see in their very first joint presser: They were just beaming the whole way through it.  

And they didn't just coast after getting paid.  It's like they want to prove Gute right.  They've brought an attitude and energy and work ethic that is just infectious, and a relentless style of play that seems to have elevated the entire defense.  It's awesome.

I also love how they stayed with doing all their pressers and interviews in tandem, like a solidarity kind of deal. 

Whatever works brothers, whatever works.

Hungry5 posted:

13X posted:

Negatives:

Jaire Alexander- I thought he was pretty awful. I don't ever remember seeing him be dominated for an entire game like he was

He wasn't dominated the entire game, but he did give up some big plays, at the same time he had some splash of his own.

 He got dominated yesterday for much of the game. Yes he made a couple plays but he gave up a lot more. If the first pass to Cooper is well thrown that's a TD and not a pic as well as he was beat. I'm not used to seeing 23 play as poorly as he did yesterday. That said, the guy is a stud and I have no doubt he will be back to playing like he normally does.

mrtundra posted:

+++++ Aaron Jones. Our run defense, which was being scrutinized by everyone, did well to stop most of Zeke's and Pollard's running.

Let's be honest here. The defense didn't stop the run. Our offense and, to a lesser extent, the Cowboys game plan stopped the Cowboys rushing attack. Zeke and Pollard were getting 5 yards a carry. They only ran the ball 16 times thanks to GB putting TD's on the board and some key turnovers kept Dallas from converting the early run success into points of their own. I thought they went away from the run too early in this game. At 24-0 you kind of have to but at 17-0 they should have kept pounding Elliott and Pollard. 

And just remember Gute said they targeted them and were hoping to get ONE of them and didn’t think they’d get both. Compare them to CMIII and Perry