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PackerHawk posted:

mrtundra posted:

+++++ Aaron Jones. Our run defense, which was being scrutinized by everyone, did well to stop most of Zeke's and Pollard's running.

Let's be honest here. The defense didn't stop the run. Our offense and, to a lesser extent, the Cowboys game plan stopped the Cowboys rushing attack.  

Whatever works, right?    It's a team sport.

"Offense, help the defense;  Special teams, bail the offense out if if they stall; Defense, get a turnover and get it back to the offense;"

"Black guys, help the white guys!"

Yeah Dallas panicked and did exactly what GB wanted: take the ball out of Zeke's hands and put it in Dak's. They were behind on the scoreboard, but they had plenty of time to be patient, control the clock and keep GB sidelined. Instead they got greedy with a couple big plays and decided to have the offense go all-in on Dak. That's what GB wanted because 1) that's not necessarily what their offense was built for and 2) Dak is prone to INTs against good teams. Pettine was going boom/bust with coverage, 1on1 all day and they will either hit big plays or Dak will struggle to read and make mistakes...fortunately Dak did more of the latter than the former. 550 yards of offense means nothing without a win. 

Pertaining to Alexander, I'm happy with the way he got beat.   It was mostly double moves that got him.   I'd rather he allow the occasional big play off a double move than to play scared / soft and allow everything in front of him to be caught.  

Also, consider that the Boys were missing their 2 starting tackles.   The pass rush should have been getting home before the WR has the time to complete those double moves.    

I'll take that aggressive approach over the soft approach every time. 

Hungry5 posted:

I'd like to see roughing the passer calls in the reviewable group.

Hell no!!

The flow of the game is already approaching unbearable with all the penalties and reviews.     Adding more review to subjective penalties is not the answer. 

"Lucas Patrick stepped in at Center, when Linsley went down, and did a great job! There were zero bad snaps"

According to Rodgers both of the direct snaps to Jones were not intended to be snapped directly to Jones.   We got lucky. 

Positive - this postgame exchange. I'd never heard of this Scoops Callahan guy before. I'll take him any day over Skip Bayless! 

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BrainDed posted:

"Lucas Patrick stepped in at Center, when Linsley went down, and did a great job! There were zero bad snaps"

According to Rodgers both of the direct snaps to Jones were not intended to be snapped directly to Jones.   We got lucky. 

I saw this too but I'm hoping MLF is perceptive enough to keep it in the playbook. It seems to work. Maybe add some wrinkles to it.

DeMarcus Lawrence is a damn fine DE....Bulaga made him pretty much invisible.

For those that paid attention in the Preseason ....Chandon Sullivan continues to make plays !! Nice to see his athleticism and knowledge of the defense. That was a really nice pick. Same with Tra Carson, hes a solid runner and looked especially good in picking up his pass protection responsibilities. Staying with the fringe roster theme...Will Redmond made a nice turnaround after getting abused by Philly. 

Disappointed in MVS so far. He and Rodgers just don't seem to be in sync. Pretty sure he stopped on several routes, one of which drew a "mother fucker" from Rodgers. With Davante out MVS needs to be better. 

Dean Lowry with another game where he looked kinda weak. Got dragged into the endzone. 

Zaire needs to grow from this. Cooper going for over 200 yards and torching Alexander repeatedly was disappointing . I mean what is Cooper known for .... his double moves!!  Not knowing your opponent and the game situation looked really bad... taking such risk without safety help and with having a big lead is just poor discipline. 

I don't know if it's fair to say he's "weak", he's got a side hold on a 230 lb bowling ball churning forward while his teammates stand around and watch. Zeke is a powerful RB, I think it's more an indictment of our ILBs and Safeties not moving quickly to gang tackle. 

23 had a terrible game.  He really did.  But he will have a lot more good games than bad games.  

Bulaga and King playing made a big difference and it seemed to me the injury to Savage was key.  After he got hurt the Cowboys started moving the ball through the air downfield. 

Jason Garrett seems to want to ditch the run too early against Green Bay.  That’s been the case in several matchups when these teams have gotten together.  Fine with me!   Zeke is the MVP of that team not Dak. 

Ubetcha posted:

- I’m not sure I like ABM’s end game strategy when there’s a whole quarter left to play. Cowpokes almost made him pay for that. He knew they’d be slinging it but couldn’t slow ‘em down. Might just be this young defense letting up and thinking the work is over.

This defense never lets up. They don't always make the play but they never let up. 

No Savage. He's a big key to what they do in pass defense. I believe not having him back there (Plus the Smith Bros banged up) loosened up the defense.

Players not plays.

YATittle posted:

And just remember Gute said they targeted them and were hoping to get ONE of them and didn’t think they’d get both. Compare them to CMIII and Perry

Printed after my post,  from JSO.  Looks like they fire everyone up, including Aaron Rodgers:

Winning makes everything seem great, and the Packers (4-1) are winning. So it’s wise to be leery of talk about how good a locker room is, or how much everybody likes each other on a good team. It can be a chicken-or-egg question. But the vibe around the Packers does seem a little different, in part because their new young coach seems to encourage self-expression — that is, celebrating big plays — and new free agents such as Za’Darius Smith and Preston Smith have brought some personality to the locker room. Every turnover the defense forces, for instance, is an event. “It’s just a different feel,” Aaron Rodgers said. “It helps those guys are playing well, too. Obviously, Preston had another couple sacks today and Z was active when he was healthy, which I guess he really wasn’t today. I like the vibe on the team. I think we’re having a lot of fun.”

So true.

But yet they wanted to cut his pay

Can't pay them all, and that's a problem GB could have very soon...

It's amazing when contract time rolls around how well players play. Amazing

When has Bulaga not played well (when healthy)?

I think we had an excellent game plan for both offense and defense.
The defense contained Elliott and took their TEs completely out of the game. It may have come at the expense of letting Cooper run wild, but worked wonderfully for 3 quarters.
I think MLF knew exactly how to attack the Cowboys defense, and our guys executed it to near perfection. 
I'm not making too much out of only 4 WRs with receptions. I'm much more impressed by completions to 9 different receivers. Still disappointed by Allison and MVS, but I'm confident they will do better.

Timmy! posted:

I think we had an excellent game plan for both offense and defense.
The defense contained Elliott and took their TEs completely out of the game. It may have come at the expense of letting Cooper run wild, but worked wonderfully for 3 quarters.
I think MLF knew exactly how to attack the Cowboys defense, and our guys executed it to near perfection. 
I'm not making too much out of only 4 WRs with receptions. I'm much more impressed by completions to 9 different receivers. Still disappointed by Allison and MVS, but I'm confident they will do better.

This. That has been missing for quite a while. Much used to be made of how AR did this, and it disappeared for the past couple of years. I would like to see it continue even after Adams comes back -- and he has to keep tossing it to those young guys to get them into the game. (Too bad Shepard had the TD knocked out; good play by the D.)

Oh man the Bulaga extension thing is a tough one for me.  Yes he is only 30 (will be 31 next March) but is he an old 30 with all of the injuries?  Or would the team think he is past all of that and worth a gamble giving him a contract in to his mid 30's?

If I had to bet I think Gute will let him walk with the thought that better to let him go before he breaks down more.  If it was me I would try and sign him to a short say two year contract at a reasonable cost if he would take it.

The Heckler posted:

Oh man the Bulaga extension thing is a tough one for me.  Yes he is only 30 (will be 31 next March) but is he an old 30 with all of the injuries?  Or would the team think he is past all of that and worth a gamble giving him a contract in to his mid 30's?

If I had to bet I think Gute will let him walk with the thought that better to let him go before he breaks down more.  If it was me I would try and sign him to a short say two year contract at a reasonable cost if he would take it.

I would try and sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal if possible. He is playing great and pretty much always does when healthy.

Of course 'Id see if he is willing to take a home town deal for 2 or 3 years.  But if I'm Bulaga, no way do I take it.   

This is probably his last chance for a big pay day in the NFL, he will be looking to secure his grand kids future and a couple extra million is a big deal. 

The Heckler posted:

Oh man the Bulaga extension thing is a tough one for me.  Yes he is only 30 (will be 31 next March) but is he an old 30 with all of the injuries?  Or would the team think he is past all of that and worth a gamble giving him a contract in to his mid 30's?

If I had to bet I think Gute will let him walk with the thought that better to let him go before he breaks down more.  If it was me I would try and sign him to a short say two year contract at a reasonable cost if he would take it.

Ideally for the Packers, they'd resign him using large roster bonuses per year or even per game.  Bulaga wouldn't go for that but it would address his injury history.

The training staff will have the best idea (though still only a prediction) as to whether the injuries he's had are more likely to recur or if he will continue to miss a lot of games in the future.  We will never know that opinion, but how his contract is handled will tell us a lot.  

I'm beginning to wonder about Bahktiari.  Lots of holding calls and false starts this year.  Still very good but not up to his usual level.

Brainded

I get your point about "one last, big payday".  But he's made over $40 million so far in his career.  Doubt he needs a "big payday" to make secure his grandkids future.

Packers don't have much leverage. The rookie class isn't stacked with NFL ready OT's where GB might be picking (or period IMO) and the FA group of OT's is dismal. It's the same problem we ran into the last time Bulaga was an FA. Unless they believe Turner is the future at RT, they will give Bulaga what he wants. 

DH13 posted:

I'm beginning to wonder about Bahktiari.  Lots of holding calls and false starts this year.  Still very good but not up to his usual level.

Remember.....back injury earlier in the year. I think he's working through it. I'm just glad he can play at all. Back is nothing to mess with.

Hoping stuffed jebediah is getting himself ready for RT. His natural position. Turner has been fine at RG but GB is a young RG and C away from being a very good OL. 

Bulaga is getting by on duct tape and wood screws. He’s hurting but he’s a fucking pro. Stoning Lawrence with a shit shoulder is old school grit. 

Other than the Thursday night tilt against Philly (fuck Thursday football) the schedule has broken pretty well for GB. Extra day rest for Monday night v Lions at home. 

Cant overstate how big the roadie win was against Dallas. 

He's allowed zero sacks and only a handful of pressures against Mack, Hunter, Miller, Graham, and Lawrence. I think I saw where the pass rushers he's faced have like a combined 280+ career sacks and he's stonewalled all of them.  BB has been a fucking rock...he's only the 10th highest paid RT in the NFL and the 31st highest paid OT overall (in terms of total cash for 2019). 

Mitchell Schwartz signed a 3 year, $24.455M deal this offseason with KC at 30 years old. I'm guessing that will be the starting point. They've got some decisions though. They need to lock of Kenny Clark for sure, which won't be cheap. But they are losing Tramon, Blake Martinez, Bulaga, Crosby, Marcades, Allison, Fackrell, Patrick, Lancaster, and Tony Brown. Those guys have been key depth this year. They have $22M in cap space, figure $5-8 of that is rookies, so they will have to get creative if they want to keep Bulaga, who won't be cheap. Ditching Jimmy Graham will save another $8M and Lane Taylor another $4M

PackLandVA posted:

Brainded

I get your point about "one last, big payday".  But he's made over $40 million so far in his career.  Doubt he needs a "big payday" to make secure his grandkids future.

Remember, a million or two don't go as far as it used to. 

I think the single biggest factor in the Dallas game was Bulaga playing and playing well.  

Vote for Aaron Jones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think the Packers handling of OL extensions has a pretty good track record. I know it’s a partially different regime, but at the end of the day letting Sitton go (who I loved-and thought was a mistake at the time) and not resigning a fan favorite in TJ Lang ended up working out pretty well. 

Don’t know about Bulaga, but I doubt they drop the big dough on him unless it’s a 1 maybe 2 year deal max.

Boris posted:

DH13 posted:

I'm beginning to wonder about Bahktiari.  Lots of holding calls and false starts this year.  Still very good but not up to his usual level.

Remember.....back injury earlier in the year. I think he's working through it. I'm just glad he can play at all. Back is nothing to mess with.

That's exactly what makes me wonder.  Backs also aren't things that typically get better once they start degenerating and often lead to retirement.  No panic yet but it's worth keeping an eye on.

Grave Digger posted:

He's allowed zero sacks and only a handful of pressures against Mack, Hunter, Miller, Graham, and Lawrence. I think I saw where the pass rushers he's faced have like a combined 280+ career sacks and he's stonewalled all of them.  BB has been a fucking rock...he's only the 10th highest paid RT in the NFL and the 31st highest paid OT overall (in terms of total cash for 2019). 

Mitchell Schwartz signed a 3 year, $24.455M deal this offseason with KC at 30 years old. I'm guessing that will be the starting point. They've got some decisions though. They need to lock of Kenny Clark for sure, which won't be cheap. But they are losing Tramon, Blake Martinez, Bulaga, Crosby, Marcades, Allison, Fackrell, Patrick, Lancaster, and Tony Brown. Those guys have been key depth this year. They have $22M in cap space, figure $5-8 of that is rookies, so they will have to get creative if they want to keep Bulaga, who won't be cheap. Ditching Jimmy Graham will save another $8M and Lane Taylor another $4M

I would be surprised if they let Martinez walk. He is the only legitimate ILB we have and it's the weakest position on the roster. I believe Tony Brown will be restricted won't he?

Think we really need to upgrade ILB through free agency or draft.

Martinez is nothing more than a reactionary tackle guy. Hawk and Martinez are the exact same player. Stomping out brush fires 5 yards from scrimmage while getting nothing accomplished. 

Martinez has never trusted his ability. In fact. He’s walked himself out of it. 

At least Martinez has speed to get to the sideline.   Hawk always looked like he stepped in cement prior to the game.    

I think you have to let him walk when some GM just looks at the tackle numbers and overpays.   

Martinez is better than Hawk, but he's not elite. Mart will make 1 or 2 plays a game that make you think he's really good, but overall he struggles to shed blockers, is a step behind tracking the ball, and tends to guess wrong on filling holes. I don't think they will pay him big money, but I think he would be a much better player next to a good ILB. When he's not THE guy I think he plays better, but he's the main ILB that blockers are going after and he can't keep up. 

Yes I'm not saying Martinez is great but we have absolutely nothing behind or beside him.