Positive's/-Janis sucks n' ran over your dog Raiders/Packers

michiganjoe posted:

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Defense. Good enough to win it all.

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I don't see it. This defense isn't good enough to win it all. They haven't faced hardly any good offenses this year and when they did those now good offenses were playing bad (SEA and KC). The two best offenses the Packers have faced when they faced them were Carolina who chewed them up for 427 and 37 points and Oakland who out 372 on them. And if not for two bad passes probably end up beating the Packers.

That's not a good enough to win it all defense by any means. It is a defense made to look better than it is by getting to play a lineup of pretty bad offenses.

Defense is good enough at 5th in points allowed.

They just need to SCORE MORE POINTS!!!!!

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Also, if you watch the Rodgers presser on Packers.com they edited out the very end.  Rodgers just got up and left in the middle of a question.

Would you happen to remember the question he was asked? 

Props to the D for all the stops AFTER we retook the lead on the James Jones TD pass. They stifled running and passing game.

Hungry5 posted:

A Super Bowl winning/MVP, 2x league MVP, NFL QB with an ego?

Catch all the dropped passes and we'd be having an all together different conversation.

JSO player ratings from Oakland:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...164z1-363215701.html

AtTheMurph posted:

 I don't see it. This defense isn't good enough to win it all.

 Really only need a pretty average defense if the offense is functioning anywhere near normal. This defense is at least that good.

The thing about the defense (in my opinion) is that Dom and his crew can attack and beat the young or the inefficient quarterbacks, but give him an experienced/better than just competent opponent and they are in trouble.  Unfortunately, the good QB's generally are there in the playoffs.

I don't think he just preys on young QBs, we have seen young QBs have success against GB and we have seen vet QBs struggle. In most instances the D is high risk, high reward and the onus is on the O to execute well. If the O struggles in any one are...can't beat man coverage, can't stop the pass rusher, can't get to the 2nd level, etc. then the speed and determination of this D will beat them for a big loss. On the flip side, of the D screws up then it is a big play waiting to happen. Vet QBs tend to find those opportunities better than young QBs, but certainly a smarty young QB could exploit opportunities.

Ben Fennell is reviewing the tape from the OAK game today.

Cobb's biggest play of the day... A 23yd catch on a scramble drill where he and Adams don't seem to know what to do pic.twitter.com/dFNb7VQUun

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 22, 2015

3rd & 4th downs usually tell you where a coach's/play caller's confidence lies.. Cobb got his number called a bunch. He HAS to be the guy!

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 22, 2015

4th & 2.. Everyone cheers cause Cobb got DPI call. This is a 1man concept. Designed for Cobb. THROW THE BALL AARON! pic.twitter.com/pWEo0fPq30

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 22, 2015

...more...

Rodgers INT.. Reckless? Yea. On target? Not really. But WRs.. Some go get it, some go where it lands. Go get it! pic.twitter.com/NMgmEdGBOr

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 22, 2015

Run Lacy... Run Lacy!! Rodgers was under center, good angle/head of steam. Should be hitting head on the goalpost pic.twitter.com/31Pma3h1Mr

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 22, 2015

Starks scores here... Yea everyone loves Lacy trucking a CB, but a little feel/wiggle gets 6points! pic.twitter.com/2VUK2vIW3k

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 22, 2015

4th & 2, Love when J.Jones knows it's designed for Cobb but AR doesnt throw it then looks at JJ like 'do something!' pic.twitter.com/S9KRU5Oqcd

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 22, 2015

That GIFF of the Janis interception was very illuminating. Just watching the play from the TV feed it looked like a horrendous throw. It wasn't a great throw, but if Janis just shows any ball awareness it's at worst an incompletion. Janis is in front of the two DBs when the ball is thrown. Woodson and the other DB attack the ball and go get it in the air. Janis takes 2 steps backwards to a point where he would catch the ball at his waist.

Throw the same ball to Jordy Nelson and it's a TD. Same goes for James Jones, Donald Driver, or Greg Jennings.

Hungry5 posted:

Ben Fennell is reviewing the tape from the OAK game today.

Cobb's biggest play of the day... A 23yd catch on a scramble drill where he and Adams don't seem to know what to do pic.twitter.com/dFNb7VQUun

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 22, 2015

3rd & 4th downs usually tell you where a coach's/play caller's confidence lies.. Cobb got his number called a bunch. He HAS to be the guy!

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 22, 2015

4th & 2.. Everyone cheers cause Cobb got DPI call. This is a 1man concept. Designed for Cobb. THROW THE BALL AARON! pic.twitter.com/pWEo0fPq30

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 22, 2015

Cobb is open on the designed route, but that is not an easy conversion. Rodgers has to hit Cobb on a very tight angle and hit him in stride, because if he even throws it slightly behind him he's tackled short of the first down. If he leads him even slightly, his momentum may carry him out of bounds short.

I guess that's a throw MM expects of HOF QB to make, but it's not an easy throw.

Also, even if the play is designed to go to Cobb it looks like Jones is almost run blocking. Jones and Adams are completely blanketed in one on one matchups.

First 20 minutes of the game, Murray with 13 carries for 62 yards. Last 40 minutes, 8 carries for 16 yards.

WYMM

Hungry5 posted:

Ben Fennell is reviewing the tape from the OAK game today.

Cobb's biggest play of the day... A 23yd catch on a scramble drill where he and Adams don't seem to know what to do pic.twitter.com/dFNb7VQUun

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 22, 2015

This almost makes me wonder if Nelson was a bigger loss to Cobb than Rodgers. Cobb didn't seem lost on scramble drills when lined up opposite Nelson. Does he hesitate not knowing what Adams is going to do to play off of each other? 

I'm grasping at straws, sure, but Cobb seems to be struggling far more than just facing a better cover corner most of the time this year. 

One negative I noticed was how good rookie ILB Ben Heeney looked for the Raiders. He looked very active and aggressive, more so than Jake Ryan (who GB passed on Heeney for). I like Jake Ryan fine, but he's not making a huge impact.

I noticed his name a lot sunday too.  Didn't realize he was a rook.

MichiganPacker posted:

That GIFF of the Janis interception was very illuminating. Just watching the play from the TV feed it looked like a horrendous throw. It wasn't a great throw, but if Janis just shows any ball awareness it's at worst an incompletion. Janis is in front of the two DBs when the ball is thrown. Woodson and the other DB attack the ball and go get it in the air. Janis takes 2 steps backwards to a point where he would catch the ball at his waist.

Throw the same ball to Jordy Nelson and it's a TD. Same goes for James Jones, Donald Driver, or Greg Jennings.

 

Wait, you are serious, aren't you? Janis' interception? The last time I looked, it wasn't Janis throwing the ball. He is open in the back of the end zone, on a pass that most high school quarterbacks could make, but most NFL QBs would not have thrown in light of the situation.

Janis is a distant 2nd if you are looking for someone to blame. Sure, Janis runs crappy routes, drop balls and causes cancer, but he does not throw interceptions.

Heeney and Ryan are the same guy. Try hard lunch pailers that are serviceable but you're going to have to upgrade them sooner rather than later. 

Ryan has more tackles in fewer games than Heeney. Heeney flies around a lot. But so do bad posts on fan forums. 

Yeah, there was some major discussion in the game thread on Sunday as well that Janis had some responsibility with that INT. I surely only saw a bad decisions combined with a bad throw that Janis had no shot of getting a hand on.

If someone wants to post a video on this and prove me rong, I would like to see it.

Goalline posted:

MichiganPacker posted:

That GIFF of the Janis interception was very illuminating. Just watching the play from the TV feed it looked like a horrendous throw. It wasn't a great throw, but if Janis just shows any ball awareness it's at worst an incompletion. Janis is in front of the two DBs when the ball is thrown. Woodson and the other DB attack the ball and go get it in the air. Janis takes 2 steps backwards to a point where he would catch the ball at his waist.

Throw the same ball to Jordy Nelson and it's a TD. Same goes for James Jones, Donald Driver, or Greg Jennings.

 

Wait, you are serious, aren't you? Janis' interception? The last time I looked, it wasn't Janis throwing the ball. He is open in the back of the end zone, on a pass that most high school quarterbacks could make, but most NFL QBs would not have thrown in light of the situation.

Janis is a distant 2nd if you are looking for someone to blame. Sure, Janis runs crappy routes, drop balls and causes cancer, but he does not throw interceptions.

It should have read the interception to Janis. It was a D- grade throw by Rodgers and a C- effort by Janis.

 

Yes, Janis could've attacked the throw instead of standing there & watching it. However, that was probably the worst throw in the Rodgers era in the red zone.

Was this Rodgers version of the Favre/Strahan sack?!?!? Funny thing is, Woodson didn't even get the INT

Janis fight's like a motherf***er for the ball between Woodson and the other DB. Janis comes down with it. Rodgers tears him a new one in front of everyone for choosing Woodson's pick as the time to actually do something the right way.

Janis wanders away a dazed mess.

2 words.

Jet ****ing Sweep

OR short passes to Janis, wide receiver screens ANYTHING to put his speed to good use other than as a gunner. Even Woodson knows about the guy, called him White Lightning....

Rodgers needs to stop looking for Adams..   He is staring him down on the 4th and 2 play while his defender is sitting in his back pocket. 

He ain't getting open, Son.   Move along to the next progression instantly.