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Eddie posted:

A wonder coach??  We don't need a wonder coach, we need to break from the status quo that has exists today.  We need to break from the same stubborn game plans start changing what we do and how we utilize the players we have.  If being an "owner" gave any input I would look for a defensive minded Head Coach and get a young offensive coordinator to innovate and invigorate the offense.  We don't need Gruden, Dungy or Cowher.

We don't know if Harbaugh would refuse until we ask him. I don't think a defensive minded coach is the answer either. I want someone who can utilize what we already what we have on offense and pick his coordinators. I think we have seen a talent drain on the GM staff and maybe that needs to be addressed as well.

Hungry5 posted:

It's admirable that he defends them like this in public. But, he better be sticking his foot up their ass in private if he actually believes it is a winning 1-on-1's issue. I'm fairly certain he isn't doing the latter.

There might not have been a schism between Rodgers and McCarthy before, but there may be one festering. While Rodgers hasn't been Rodgers much over the past 20 games, when he's had success it is when they've gone off script. I don't believe school yard is sustainable, but when it is successful you'd think an offensive minded coach would see that and figure out a way to capitalize on that and scheme to play that way, without the panic.

Tauscher said it this morning on his show with Wilde, the Packers need to figure out what they do well and do that until it gets stopped.

Something about that last paragraph rings true with me.  Yeah there is a multitude of ways to fix a bunion but I know what works for me and that's how I fix it.  Do "what you do" if you will but at least do it well and the Packers simply are not.  There is just no identity.   

I know much of this discussion about the coaching both on offense and defense and to be honest it wouldn't be upset to see come changes but yesterday it is an execution thing for me.  Offensive, you have a Jordy over throw (possible jogging effort), followed by an NFL WR bouncing one off his facemask, and time and time again dump offs all over the place that would put the ball in a playmakers hands but NO chuck it deep.  Defensively HHCD is a perfect example 2 nice plays on the INTs but a blown ST assignment and blown wiff sack. 

 

 

 

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Yet, Thompson went with an OC of a crap team after firing Sherman.  You'd **** all over that.  You'd **** all over every name.  

If you don't trust Ted Thompson so much that you think his sitting on a coach that has been at the helm of some of the most epic choke jobs in playoff history and now is 2 games under .500 in his last 20 games is preferably to the dangers of Thompson making another hire, that's your prerogative.

Personally, I trust Thompson, but to each his own.  

Actually, I didn't ****** all over the hiring of MM, although I did prefer Sean Peyton, but feel free to project.  Sherman needed to go because, after being dumped as GM, he was clearly feuding with TT and the two weren't on the same page.  Kind of reverse of what happened when Sherman was hired, when he was given the GM job because the Packers didn't want to upset the apple cart and hire a new GM who would want his own guy and get rid of Sherman after he had only been head coach one year.

Glad to hear you trust TT.  He isn't going to fire MM after this year, barring a complete collapse where they only win 2 or 3 more games. He didn't fire MM after a disaster in Tampa in 2009, coming off of a 6-10 season and with MM's three year coaching record standing at 27-21.  Who can forget the epic Times Four threat following a horrible loss to Tampa Bay the 8th game of the 2009 season, the week following a Brett Favre and Vikings beat down of the Packers at Lambeau?

https://packers.timesfour.com/topic/fire-tt-and-mm

I admit  I was ready to toss him overboard after that game.  But, to MM's credit he rallied the team that season and put the Packers in the playoffs every season since.

Barring a complete collapse the rest of the season, MM is here to for at least through at least next season.

 

 

 

 

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Two weeks ago conservative killed us.  Loss. 

This week a blitz burned us. Loss

There is no compensation like overcompensation, I assume Dom will break out the 11 drop back in zone (10 on the perimeter, 1 shadowing the QB.  He'll call it the inverted "U") defense next week.  It will cause 7 turnovers and the Pack will win by 30.  

Dom commits to it because it works, defense will get crushed for the rest of the season.  

Side note, I think Fackrell will be a player for us. High BFI

GBFanForLife posted:

There were guys open on almost every play yesterday, Rodgers just isn't seeing them. Not sure why all the bombs were thrown. There was only one that was close and that was Janis dropping it.

 

The other problem with this team is the fans. The ****ing stadium was filled with Colts fans.

Just wondering how many of the elderly season ticket holders just sell the tickets to scalpers.

 

slowmo posted:

Actually, I didn't ****** all over the hiring of MM, although I did prefer Sean Peyton, but feel free to project.  

I didn't say you **** all over MM hiring.  

I said you'd **** all over it if one of the names in response to your "simple question" as to who should be brought in to replace MM was "Let's bring in an OC from a sub .500 team with no head coaching experience".  

Glad to hear you trust TT.  He isn't going to fire MM after this year, barring a complete collapse where they only win 2 or 3 more games.

I don't even.  What?  Ok, let's talk this out.

If someone dares argue to fire McCarthy after arguably the worst playoff choke job of all time, then followed up with a 20 game stretch of 2 games under .500 your response is:  "WHO COULD YOU GET THAT'S BETTER THAN MCCARTHY?  IT'S A SIMPLE QUESION! JUST A NAME!" and "TT is not going to fire him." 

But, you follow that up with a caveat that "barring a complete collapse" and they win 2 or 3 games rest of year, then, "well, sure I could see him being fired".  

So, just to be clear.  
3-5 over 8 games = Complete collapse   
9-11 over 20 games = He ain't being fired man. besides, who could you possibly get?  Gimme a name, just a name man, it's a simple question man.

Very odd lens to look through to define collapse and good enough to keep job...

 

50k Club posted:

I have no doubt that MM is a very good coach, but his team is in a rut since Game 7 last year.  The same issues with the O keep cropping up, and the insistence on going with 11 personnel and iso routes is purely coaching.  The same issues with the D not being capable of carrying off-days for the O under Dom, middle of the field being open, giving up last second scores, etc. is again on coaching.  The coaches understandably may not see the forest for the trees as well - who gets playing time, who gets chances to prove themselves (we know Richard Rodgers can't block), how many run plays need to be called equals some sort of statistical success - it goes on and on.

That said, TT and MM have made some very odd roster decisions this offseason and year.  2 RB's having fairly similar styles that don't have a great health history.  TE's - 2 of which are not NFL caliber (Rodgers and Perillo), continued faith in Don Barclay, etc. 7 WRs, etc.  Our CBs have been decimated by injury so it's hard to find too much fault there.

Good rationale post.  The personnel issues related to the RBs have to come under some scrutiny for TT/MM did there.  Letting go of Sitton might have been the right choice, but somehow thinking that Barclay was an adequate option was shortsighted at best.

This is still a borderline playoff team, but I think that's the ceiling this year. At best, this is a team that will likely just miss the playoffs this year or limp in and get beat in the first round. I agree with others, this team has never been right since the Seattle title game. 

There will be a lot of changes next year. Lacy, Starks, Lang, Peppers, and Shields are almost all certainly gone. It's also likely they may move along from some others - Cook and RichRod, Perry might get a massive offer from somewhere else. 

The next 2-3 years may need to be a partially rebuilding mode. MM is a good coach, but is he the guy to do this? Also, AR is not at the age where a rebuild makes sense. 

Hungry5 posted:

@packerbackerdpm



Whitehead's been cut.

Looking at the coverage. That kick was supposed to be outside the numbers. Not on the hash. Might be something Mason has to answer. 

CAPackFan95 posted:
slowmo posted:

Actually, I didn't ****** all over the hiring of MM, although I did prefer Sean Peyton, but feel free to project.  

I didn't say you **** all over MM hiring.  

I said you'd **** all over it if one of the names in response to your "simple question" as to who should be brought in to replace MM was "Let's bring in an OC from a sub .500 team with no head coaching experience".  

Glad to hear you trust TT.  He isn't going to fire MM after this year, barring a complete collapse where they only win 2 or 3 more games.

I don't even.  What?  Ok, let's talk this out.

If someone dares argue to fire McCarthy after arguably the worst playoff choke job of all time, then followed up with a 20 game stretch of 2 games under .500 your response is:  "WHO COULD YOU GET THAT'S BETTER THAN MCCARTHY?  IT'S A SIMPLE QUESION! JUST A NAME!" and "TT is not going to fire him." 

But, you follow that up with a caveat that "barring a complete collapse" and they win 2 or 3 games rest of year, then, "well, sure I could see him being fired".  

So, just to be clear.  
3-5 over 8 games = Complete collapse   
9-11 over 20 games = He ain't being fired man. besides, who could you possibly get?  Gimme a name, just a name man, it's a simple question man.

Very odd lens to look through to define collapse and good enough to keep job...

 

Why, thank you

Hungry5 posted:

@packerbackerdpm



Whitehead's been cut.

Thanks man, I appreciate it.  Like I said I know you know your stuff and all I had was just the replays that shown him being blown away, now I see why.

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