He said it, I filed the trademark.
michiganjoe posted:+
A win and the Packers now control their destiny.
Monty
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Fourth quarter collapse on both sides of the ball.
Amen. Monty was incredible. I knew he was good last year, but he's a step above what I thought he was. I think it's no coincidence the Pack's offense began to collapse in 2015 the moment he got hurt vs. the Chargers.
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The Bears have a chance at going 3-13, which would be their worst record in a 16 game season
I'm full aware of the wild ass hair over Colin Kaepernick and his brief history with Green Bay.
Try and imagine Bear fans thoughts of Aaron Rodgers.
Rodgers....
Favre...
Starr.....
Brett Favre was a smarmy little bitch compared to what Aaron has done to Chicago. That's before we get to the stats.
Positives: Their RBs had 20 carries for 207 yards. Their RBs (Monty and Michael) didn't play RB for the Packers until about a month ago. The offensive coaches deserve a ton of credit for getting these guys ready. This means MM, Edgar Bennett, and Ben Sirmans â Running Backs Coach.
BartManDude posted:Matthews as a negative??? WTF the dude has a separated shoulder what do you expect from him?
To be clear, if CMIII had been effective before his injury I don't think you would hear much chirping about him. But the bottom line is even when Matthews isn't ailing with his latest injury, he's not been anything close what he once was at OLB in over 2 years.
And he's getting paid rather well this season for being a non-factor and is set to make stupid amounts of money in 2017.
IMO, if you are going to keep him at OLB, the reality is he cannot hold up any longer and give you 16 games much less that + playoffs. He's just no longer at that state with his health and age. At ILB? Is he worth paying 15 million dollars in 2017?
I wouldn't, but pretty sure if TT remains GM he will.
Good post packerboi.
Personally prefer him at ILB, don't understand why the money matters at that position, and never understood the argument that outside LBs automatically get more money.
Sacks are sacks, and he started getting them again after moving inside. I'd use up his last legs there for another year or two. He'll get injured either way.
Clay is fine. Injured. But fine. Defense is better when he's playing.
I hope Perry heals quickly.
ChilliJon posted:Clay is fine. Injured. But fine. Defense is better when he's playing.
No... he is not. And whether the defense is better with him right now is definitely debateable.
But on his own, he is completely ineffective right now. It's not hard to see.
The pass rush was a non factor today, for whatever reason. Last week they had Wilson on the run and the results spoke for themselves. But even then, it wasn't him. He was often dancing with the OL and not making any real progress.
YATittle posted:What GD said. We don't have the talent for zone, and look horrible going back years when we try it.
Sort of agree. I think it is also, if not not more, a function of you are better at what you practice and play most of the time. These teams were pretty good, too (see infamous pics, below):
I remember there there were more than a few folks on this board saying the sainted Fritz Shurmur was losing it, had no guts any more, should've retired after the SB win over the Patriots, etc etc.
Coaches and players play. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes wrong. They aren't playing beanbag against a stationary target out there.
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Pass rush was a little bit of a factor considering Pepper's sack/fumble got things rolling in the second half, but I get what you are saying
Fair enough- one key play, sure. But all throughout the season we have been sold that this defense is built for a lead, right? 27-10 and they practically sleep walked the rest of the game. The lack of pressure continually exposed the Randall-Rollins -Expressway and almost cost them the game. The O didn't help either, of course...
Randall had a tough game & got benched. He was friggin awesome vs. Seattle. That play where he baited Wilson into throwing at Baldwin, then absolutely closed on the ball Deion Sanders style & snatched it out of the air. That was an all-pro play.
When the ball left Wilsons hand, I thought "crap there's a TD" then Randall comes from nowhere & picks it off.
Woodson got cut because he started questioning Dom.
Today Randall gets benched & when asked about it, says, "Ask Coach"
I think these defensive players are sick of getting torched with a $#!T scheme which isn't putting any of them in the best position to succeed. I think some of the DB's might be starting to go rogue to make a play. Something like that would indicate why Randall got benched, especially if he screwed up.
It's amazing to me how fans only see what happened this week & completely forget how well a player played last week. That's coaching.
I appreciate the Super Bowl but that was 6 years ago.
Dom Capers sucks
CMIII is clearly hurt and probably should rest. My guess is he's gutting it out b/c Perry can't play and a hurt CMIII is still better than our #3/4 OLB (whoever that is). Plus, didn't Elliott leave the game early? Probably why CMIII was out there on that last Bears drive with no one else to play OLB. While his play was below what expect from him, I applaud him for getting out there.
And no way is CMIII a better ILB than he is OLB. If he's playing inside with his bum shoulder, he has the same struggles.
+Monty, Rodgers/Nelson connection, Haha, Cook
+Packers pull even with the Bears in the all-time series
-Capers, Davante
-Need to find a new kick returner- can't have our starting RB back there.
"They went to Jared "
Thats gold!
Another positive: We may have a nice one-two punch next year with Lacy and Monty at RB. Lacy likely comes back b/c he can't stop eating but I think he still could bring something to the table in a limited role. And Monty may actually provide Lacy a nice kick in the ass, as Lacy would go into next season no better than 1b. I'd still like TT to draft a guy but Monty/Lacy could be fun to watch next year.
packerboi posted:BartManDude posted:Matthews as a negative??? WTF the dude has a separated shoulder what do you expect from him?
To be clear, if CMIII had been effective before his injury I don't think you would hear much chirping about him. But the bottom line is even when Matthews isn't ailing with his latest injury, he's not been anything close what he once was at OLB in over 2 years.
And he's getting paid rather well this season for being a non-factor and is set to make stupid amounts of money in 2017.
IMO, if you are going to keep him at OLB, the reality is he cannot hold up any longer and give you 16 games much less that + playoffs. He's just no longer at that state with his health and age. At ILB? Is he worth paying 15 million dollars in 2017?
I wouldn't, but pretty sure if TT remains GM he will.
I agree mostly, Clay is hurt way too often and we end up paying too much for limited effective playing time, but I certainly didn't expect too much from him today with his injury, I guess that's a negative.
Matthews played hard on a very cold day with a painful injury. To me that is a positive.
I think injuries are the main reason we don't go to the SB every year. Players get hurt, some play hurt, and the lucky teams win it all.
Whether or not Clay earns his paycheck is another debate altogether.
CUPackFan posted:And no way is CMIII a better ILB than he is OLB. If he's playing inside with his bum shoulder, he has the same struggles.
Maybe but the OLBs draw the better blockers. I liked him inside because he was blowing right by the slower blockers in there and was covering the whole field. JMO
If you can't laugh at yourself right?
Davante Adams Great team win today. ****ty performance by Davante Adams but we pulled it off..all that matters. #GoPackGo
Lmao
packerboi posted:If you can't laugh at yourself right?
Great team win today. ****ty performance by Davante Adams but we pulled it off..all that matters.
#GoPackGoLmao
More like a ****ae performance.
Matthews has been hurt a lot but the reality is when he's dinged or not playing the defense can't seem to get much pressure on the QB. Perry was playing his best football until he got hurt (again) as well.
Very frustrating but what can you do? It's the NFL and guys get hurt.
AR's explanation of the play is an insight into how little we know about what is really going on pout there. he said something to the effect that the read on the play is the weak side safety. If his shoulders are turned AR is supposed to look for Cobb / Adams on crossing routes underneath, but if his shoulders are parallel, he has a chance to hit nelson deep. Insight that we rarely get that I thought was very interesting. |
X4 don't need no stinkin' insight. X4 runs on raw emotion, knee-jerk reaction, "what have you done for me lately" bravado, & the missives of Oshbaul. We got it all.
+ The offense managed to turn awful defense into wine just as some have been screaming for it seems every season since 2010.
- It isn't a formula that's going to get the Packers past Detroit on the road much less a playoff run. It isn't just that the defense gives up points. Its how quickly and easily they give them up once they hit a bad stretch.
Va. Packer posted:+ The offense managed to turn awful defense into wine just as some have been screaming for it seems every season since 2010.
- It isn't a formula that's going to get the Packers past Detroit on the road much less a playoff run. It isn't just that the defense gives up points. Its how quickly and easily they give them up once they hit a bad stretch.
Scheme. What we had was working until we're up 27-10. Then we switch and they carve us up. Dumb. At least the previous week with Seattle we didn't go soft.
+ They beat the Bears. No matter how they do it or whatever the score if they beat that team I am good with it. Plus I get to spend Christmas with in laws from
Chicago so I will have that to give them crap about
+ The pass to Jordy not much else you can say
+ man was it awesome to get something out the TE position yesterday! this offense is WAY different when that happens.
+ all time series is tied up. At one point in my life I never thought I would see that
- The D just seems to go in a passive shell sometimes. They stop covering, stop tackling and stop rushing the passer
+ great win...being transplanted to Illinois for much of my life---I have waited for this all time tie forever.
+ I like the discussion here about the coaching staff..I think you can appreciate Mike McCarthy and still have thoughts about what changes might take place with Rodgers still having possibly 5 more years and a decent core...the way this defense is coordinated--it aint winning championships---I don't care who is QBing...
A new DC is on my wish list for Christmas.
+ What a turn around of events we are witnessing. Remember when most thought McCarthy lost this team and they weren't playing for him anymore. We were wrong. Kudos to McCarthy again showing us fans that we don't know ****. I have no issue with him being the coach for the Packers. He does need to take a long look at the assistant coaches and coordinators this off season. Change is needed. Specifically, on defense.
YATittle posted:Scheme. What we had was working until we're up 27-10. Then we switch and they carve us up. Dumb. At least the previous week with Seattle we didn't go soft.
What switched?
I expect the Bears will win their last 2 games - home vs WAS, @ Min.
A benching (Damarious Randall) and a late meltdown haunt Packers
Good piece by Demovsky with some very insightful comments from HHCD. Prior to the game winning drive, the Packers had two fourth quarter possessions where they ran six plays for a grand total of five yards. Horrible defensive collapse but the offense didn't offer any help in the final quarter.
Rodgers said exactly this: the offense didn't offer any help in the final quarter
They offered 3 points. 
I've wanted a new DC for Christmas for several years. I keep getting the same lump of coal instead... 
The O put up 17 points in the 3rd (should have been 21 but Adams dropped the gimme).
GB owned time of possession yesterday. By over 5 minutes.
The O gave the defense a 17 point 4th quarter lead against a 3 win team with a backup QB.
While I get the point being made that the O should never go 3 and out twice in the 4th quarter and instead burn a little more clock..... the defense needs to be accountable for their side of things. Randall and Rollins were terrible. Their on-off week to week roller coaster act has to stop.
Oh, Dom sucks.
