Positives/Negatives of Rams Game…..

@Harry Manback posted:

You know, that's funny, but sadly for anyone who has him on their team, I don't think he really cares.  He cares about himself - his name, his image, and that's about it.  I think he thinks it would be nice to win the SB so he can bask in the sunlight and further his brand, but when it comes down to it, I think he couldn't care less as long as he gets paid.

I agree. He’s probably fine with yesterday’s loss because he caught a long TD.  That TD catch probably prevented another hole in the Lambeau visitor’s locker room.

@Harry Manback posted:

I miss Madden.

Same and Keith Jackson too.

Watched the highlites. Crosby's first 3 kicks changed directions about 3 times.

@Harry Manback posted:

I miss Madden.

Snot bubbler.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

I really thought Stafford would thrive with the Rams, and he did to start the season. He still has a chance to rewrite his whole narrative. If the Rams have a deep playoff run (go to a Super Bowl), he's probably in the conversation for the HOF. He's already in the top 12 all-time for completions, TD passes, and passing yardage.

After 8 games, the Rams were 7-1 and he was an MVP candidate. In less than a month, the narrative about him has been completely rewritten again. He still could come back and get to a Super Bowl, but it's looking pretty dim for that right now.

Don't underestimate what Robert Woods did for that offense. Kupp has the fantasy stats and Jefferson is the deep threat, but Woods does the dirty work.

By controlling the time of possession, the Packers put stress on the Rams defense, wearing on Donald and Miller.

@bdplant posted:

I agree. He’s probably fine with yesterday’s loss because he caught a long TD.  That TD catch probably saved another hole in the Lambeau visitor’s locker room.

I was thinking the same thing. He's probably feeling good about himself today.

@Dr._Bob posted:

I miss Wolf's strategy of drafting QBs regularly.  No drama, no assumption that they will replace the current QB, but they had reliable backups for a QB who started every game.  And then get something in a trade when it's time for them to leave. Go ahead and even draft a Love, but for god's sake never forget what you already have.

And talk to your franchise QB.  What does he want to do?  How long does he think he wants to play?  What kind of money does he think is right?  Show him how his salary affect the cap.  Talk to him about what players you really want to keep.  Ask him if there are any he thinks are invaluable.  I just think the biggest mistake the FO made, was not communicating with their best employee.  A major misread on how to deal with AR.  It's not bending to his will, as I'm sure he knows it's not a democracy, it's just an organization doing what they can to keep their best employee happy.  I think that's really all he really wanted, and he seemed happier after they started taking that approach with him.  He never mentioned money. The days of "you'll do as I say or you're outta here" are no longer an effective way of dealing with employees (well, it never was, but you know).  Hopefully they don't forget that and continue being open with AR and inviting his input.

Count me as positive he wants to stay with the Packers.  I don't know what MurphBallz's thoughts are, though.  So we'll see.  As somone already mentioned, it takes two.

@Henry posted:

Snot bubbler.

Yes!  He was also very Yogi Barra-ish when it came to some of his comments.  Some classics - enjoy:

"If the quarterback throws the ball in the end zone and the wide receiver catches it, it's a touchdown."

"When your arm gets hit, the ball is not going to go where you want it to."

“Here’s a guy who can use his arms and legs at the same time.”

"I get a certain feeling when I go to Lambeau field in Green Bay. Soldier field in Chicago is special to me. Those are the places that I really like. The stadiums."

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest men on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what makes them the biggest men on the field."

"Coaches have to watch for what they don't want to see and listen to what they don't want to hear."

"Usually the team that scores the most points wins the game."

"A team should never practice on a field that is not lined. Your players have to become aware of the field's boundaries."

"I always used to tell my players that we are here to win! And you know what, Al? When you don’t win, you lose.”

There are many more, but I thought these were funny, and I'm pretty sure I heard him say most of them.

@Packiderm posted:

Watched the highlites. Crosby's first 3 kicks changed directions about 3 times.

I brought this up in another post.  I don't think I've ever seen kicks do that on a consistent basis.  I know there were gusty winds last night but winds are usually too big in scale to do more than push a ball in one direction.  It's like he's kicking screwballs.  That'd be a great way to do his kickoffs!

Was it Madden that referenced the A-hole and the B-hole or was that somebody else?

@packerboi posted:

And speaking of the LT, I really wonder if the Packers now regret signing Bakh to that very rare 3rd contract. With Jenkins, he was the 3rd highest rated LT from PFF. And the 5th highest rate T in football (right or left). And in Yosh, the Packers are apparently very high on him. It's a small sample size, but #73 has more then held his own and his ceiling hasn't been met yet.

Great post with a lot of thought.  This particular paragraph got me thinking.  There was no choice, in my opinion, at the time but to extend Bakh.  He was, until his injury, one of the best LT's in the game, and even tackle as you point out.  No brainer.  Not to mention the chemistry built between him and AR, as well as becoming one of the leaders on the team.  Now, the thing that might make them regret signing him to that 3rd is not the money.  It's whether he can come back and be the same player.  But that's hindsight.  The biggest benefit I see, is that if he comes back and plays at the same level he was, we have depth with Yosh and the ability to move Jenkins back to LG, and Meyers to C (hopefully Jenkins and Meyers can come back as the same players as well.  What a tragedy that would be if all three of them were permanently set back.

I think we're set with Billy as RT, but we can definitely improve on RG.  Patrick's our bulldog enforcer, but he might be too small for that spot.  Maybe Newman gets better, stronger and heavier next year, but we probably need to work our magic drafting more O-linemen.

@Timpranillo posted:

I've been wondering a lot the last several weeks about the future of Alexander. Felt for a while that he was a no doubt, break the bank to keep him type of a priority.

Now?  I'm not so sure. Alexander is a great player to be sure, but they have survived pretty dang well without him. And if anything, the Viking game showed that Gary is a far more important piece of the puzzle.  They picked up his option for next year, but the more I watch this season play out, the more I'd use that cap space to keep Gary/Clark/Campbell...

Interesting thought.  He's not yet hit his peak and he's one of the best corners in the NFL.  As the old adage says, you can never have enough corners.  I think we do what we can to keep him.  Can you imagine a backfield with Alexander, Stokes, and Douglas?  Not to mention the depth it gives us.  Then we can get rid of guys like Sullivan and Yahdum who are pretty much useless.

Found on the internet: 3rd and 5 after the fumbled KO return by the Rams Rodgers throws to MVS without a prayer of it being caught. Aaron Jones was out to the right WIDE OPEN without a look by Rodgers. Hey we're getting better on offense but common AR12, you have got to at least LOOK. It would have been a easy first down, maybe a TD.

Not found on the internet. I recall another play where he forced an incomplete throw down the field to a TE and Jones was alone in the left flat running past the yellow line alone. Take what they give you Aaron. MOVE THE CHAINS.

@Henry posted:

But is Love?  What kind of contract are you going to give him without seeing any serious time on the field?

Not much, but such is the life of a backup.

If you looked at tape of any QB who has ever played you are going to find open receivers that they didn't see.

@FLPACKER posted:

If you looked at tape of any QB who has ever played you are going to find open receivers that they didn't see.

And we reserve the right to point them out whenever it suits our purpose.

@Harry Manback posted:

I've broken my pinkie toe before, and as far as I knew, there was no treatment for it.  Kind of like ribs in a way.  It hurt like a bitch for awhile, but it eventually healed.  It looks all gnarly now, but that's about it.  If it's a broken pinkie toe, can't he just get injections to numb it for the game?

Dislocations that don’t go back easily and can be splinted you can take to the OR and put a K wire in to hold till heals but you then have a pin sticking out toe.  A fracture you generally just let be.  If something needed to be done it’s often just easier to remove the piece (arthroplasty) then it is to find a way to piece in back together without pulverizing the bone putting a screw or staple in there. Just very very rare to have to do that.  

I would just numb it and tape it.

True, FLPACKER.  It takes a lot of wherewithal to play QB.  Running around trying not to get hit, trying to see beyond the O and D lines, running through progressions, ad libbing when necessary, all against secondaries who are pretty good, not to mention knowing where all your guys are.  It's a tough gig, but that's why they get paid the big bucks.

@RochNyFan posted:

+ The Toasted Bock and Chocolate Dunkel were delicious

I had the Toasted Bock this weekend, not a bad beer.  Will look for the Dunkel. 

I am hooked on

@YATittle posted:

Take what they give you Aaron. MOVE THE CHAINS.

Post AR is gonna suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck for fans

Present AR suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks for some fans too.

@Harry Manback posted:

True, FLPACKER. It takes a lot of wherewithal to play QB.  Running around trying not to get hit, trying to see beyond the O and D lines, running through progressions, ad libbing when necessary, all against secondaries who are pretty good, not to mention knowing where all your guys are.  It's a tough gig, but that's why they get paid the big bucks.

See Mertz, Graham

@Packiderm posted:

Watched the highlites. Crosby's first 3 kicks changed directions about 3 times.

I noticed the same thing on the replay and wondered how in the hell does he do that; plus I bet in the history of the NFL no kicker has hit more uprights or crossbars than Crosby I know I have seen at least 20 doinks from him!

Close doesn't count except  in horseshoes and hand gernades.

So Rodgers should go through his whole progression before he throws it to anyone?  But also get rid of the ball quickly before he gets sacked?  That armchair sounds comfy.

@Dr._Bob posted:

So he should go through his whole progression before he throws it to anyone?  But also get rid of the ball quickly before he gets sacked?  That armchair sounds comfy.

Jones was open well before he threw, but he wanted to force it downfield for the big play. Move the chains.

Analytics tell them that number of "explosive" plays increase your chances of winning....the two stats that correlate highest with individual game outcome are: 1) turnover differential 2) Average yards gained per pass attempt. If a team wins both categories in a game they win that game something like 95% of the time. In yesterday's game the Rams won the "average yards per attempt" stat because of the two long TD passes. We won the game because of winning the TO battle 3-1. Even though we dominated POS, had more yards, etc., we lose the game is the Rams don't make the 3 turnovers, mainly because of their two long TD passes .... this is why AR takes shots down field.

@Pikes Peak posted:

See Mertz, Graham

He has a NIL agreement right now with Raising Cane chicken restaurants in Madison. That's probably about as much big bucks as he's ever going to see.

https://madison.com/wsj/sports...ce-ffb766dead11.html

@ammo posted:

Close doesn't count except  in horseshoes and hand gernades.

And sex.

@Harry Manback posted:

Yes!  He was also very Yogi Barra-ish when it came to some of his comments...

The stuff I enjoyed the most from Madden was his diatribes about obscure things no one else would notice, and he would be absolutely correct in his observations.

I recall a DallAss game where he was pointing out how far down the sweat level reached on a Cowboys O lineman's uniform. And was making 100 points about...well, big, beefy linemen sweating.

@ammo posted:

Close doesn't count except  in horseshoes and hand gernades.

Interesting that we’ve beaten a bunch of teams likely to make the playoffs (cards, Rams, Niners, Bengals and WFT) and lost to two teams likely to be on the outs (very led, Saints)

I'll get roasted for this but it was bound to come up.  We may have played all those playoff-bound teams at just the right time.  ARZ was the only team that was really rolling when we played them.  KC and SF were still flopping around, CIN was down to the wire and LAR looks like they're in a free fall.  GB gutted out those victories with all the injuries but it looks like timing was also fortuitous.  I'll take it any way they can get it.

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

I had the Toasted Bock this weekend, not a bad beer.  Will look for the Dunkel.

I am hooked on

Toasted? Why? Was it brewed by Jalen Ramsey?

@Tdog posted:

Found on the internet about Mason Crosby:  I have noticed that more of his kicks recently aren't turning as purely end-over-end as usual, but I wonder if that might be a holding issue. I first noticed this with Longwell way back when, but a lot of kickers want the ball held with a slight tilt way from them. I asked Longwell about that and don't remember his exact answer, but it had something to do with the way he and others) struck the ball, the tilt helped give more true end-over-end motion. So I wonder if Crosby's kicks that look more like knuckleballs might be a holder issue.

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