Going to be a long wait...
@jasonjwilde
Attention #Packers fans: There's ZERO media availability today. I'm sure we'll all try various avenues for @DesBishop55/@devo_31 info.
quote:Originally posted by BILL H: Nellie is the chick under my blanket and she isnt negative at all,just a yes type of girl.
Can't they just transplant one of Hawk's knees onto Bishop?
@devo_31
Going inn at 1 to see if everything Is good pray for me
Going inn at 1 to see if everything Is good pray for me
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
i would give my left arm to see what this team could do without any injuries on defense. just for one season.
Without your left arm you'd fit right in.
RobDemovsky
OK, I'm done... Also, spent the morning checking on injured #Packers players from last night. No news yet.
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OK, I'm done... Also, spent the morning checking on injured #Packers players from last night. No news yet.
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quote:Originally posted by 18c3v:
Can't they just transplant one of Hawk's knees onto Bishop?
Why would you want to handicap him??
Rob Demovksy says it's the hamstring not the knee. possibly a tear/bad pull
@RobDemovsky
According to a source, concern over Desmond Bishop's injury is hamstring, not knee. It's believed to be a bad pull/tear. Blog post coming.
According to a source, concern over Desmond Bishop's injury is hamstring, not knee. It's believed to be a bad pull/tear. Blog post coming.
If it's a pull or even a grade III tear, then surgery would likely NOT be needed. Those heal in time.
From E Medicine:
If the knee is ok, and he didn't rupture it at the ischium (rare), just maybe he dodged a huge bullet.
From E Medicine:
quote:Most hamstring injuries heal without surgery. In rare cases, where there is a complete rupture at the ischium, or where significant piece of ischial bone is jerked away, surgery is necessary. Essentially, all other grade I-III tears are best treated without surgery.
If the knee is ok, and he didn't rupture it at the ischium (rare), just maybe he dodged a huge bullet.
quote:
The source said the fear is that the Green Bay Packers starting inside linebacker will miss a good portion of the season, if not the entire season.
According to the source, Bishop’s knee actually checked out OK. There was no major structural damage.
Last year (Oct.)
LT Chad Clifton on his hamstring injury: It was a partial tear, but not completely off the bone so no surgery was required.
He was back in late Dec., ~ 10 weeks.
Hoping for the best for Bishop.
LT Chad Clifton on his hamstring injury: It was a partial tear, but not completely off the bone so no surgery was required.
He was back in late Dec., ~ 10 weeks.
Hoping for the best for Bishop.
quote:House injured his shoulder covering a punt and said he felt a sharp pain.
Why was he covering punts in the 3rd quarter of a pre-season game? We don't have any 3rd stringers to do that?
quote:Originally posted by 18c3v:
Can't they just transplant one of Hawk's knees onto Bishop?
Desmond would run in circles for the rest of his career.
quote:Originally posted by antiworst:quote:House injured his shoulder covering a punt and said he felt a sharp pain.
Why was he covering punts in the 3rd quarter of a pre-season game? We don't have any 3rd stringers to do that?
House could be a third stringer. If he can't beat out Shields, Bush and Hayward, he'll need to be covering punts. Might as well get practice at it.
1 preseason game in and they already lose one of their better defensive players for the season most likely. Ouch
@devo_31
Got my MRI done today. I will have a talk with the doctor tomorrow morning to see how it looks
Got my MRI done today. I will have a talk with the doctor tomorrow morning to see how it looks
Dammit. Bishop was one of our best defenders. Guess we'll see if DJ Smith really is starting material this year.
quote:Originally posted by CAPackfan:
AJ Hawk's got this
This sucks.
Perhaps a silver lining, but DJ Smith will now have a chance to develop as a starter.
Perhaps a silver lining, but DJ Smith will now have a chance to develop as a starter.
I'm going to go ahead and say it. It it was Hawk and not Bishop our defense would actualy be better today.
Going to have to wait another year to see Bishop and Smith line up next to each other.
This sucks.
Going to have to wait another year to see Bishop and Smith line up next to each other.
This sucks.
quote:Originally posted by ChilliJon:
Going to have to wait another year to see Bishop and Smith line up next to each other.
If anyone knows what it's like to be replaced via injury, it's Bishop. Since he did that very thing to Nick Barnett.
In 2013, if the Packers cut AJ Hawk, they would save virtually nothing off the cap (something like 100K).
Bishop's worst nightmare would be that DJ Smith plays as good as him, Smith being a cheaper option, and AJ Hawk plays like he did in 2010. Which was better than 2011 but not stellar.
Then what does GB do with 3 starting ILB's? My guess is with the upcoming contracts to players from CMIII to Jennings to Lang, they would go with the cheapest option.
I'm hoping that would be Smith and Bishop. I have no idea how long Bishop is under contract for OR whether cutting him in 2013 is cheaper then cutting AJ (again assuming the above would pan out).
But this can be the very scenario where a starter one year removed is suddenly looking on the outside in. See Barnett. See Ryan Grant.
Must have missed something? Bishop out for year??
I'd say PUP Bishop and see how that torn hammy is by week 7. Don't put him on IR too early and then find you could get him back for the playoffs.
If I understand the rules correctly, Bishop cannot be put on the PUP list because he has practiced this year. I believe only players that have not been able to practice can be considered for PUP.
Then again, I could be wrong. It happens.
Then again, I could be wrong. It happens.
With two injuries to starters in WK(-04) maybe they can get another dozen injured and do what they did in 2010. Yeah, that's the ticket!
Depending on how long he's out, Bishop could be used for the new rule this year which would allow you to essentially IR him but not for the whole season.
NFL rules this year allow you to exempt one player like that and bring him back. It's what GB would have done in 2010 with Grant if they could have.
NFL rules this year allow you to exempt one player like that and bring him back. It's what GB would have done in 2010 with Grant if they could have.
quote:After what looked to be a serious injury to the leg of Desmond Bishop in the Packers’ preseason loss to the Chargers last night, the starting inside linebacker could be a candidate for the new injured reserve (I.R.) rule that’s going into effect this season in the NFL.
Under the new rule, one player on every NFL team is eligible to come off injured reserve after six week to resume practicing and can then return to game action after eight weeks.
It used to be that once a football player was placed on injured reserve, his season was done. Teams would carefully determine whether it was worth placing a player on I.R. and signing a new player as opposed to keeping him on the active roster in hopes that he could come back at some point later in the season.
Critics would point to baseball’s disabled list in which players are able to come back after 15 or 60 days, but be replaced by another player on the roster in the meantime. The NFL has tried to avoid an football version of the disabled list so teams couldn’t take advantage of the rule by essentially keeping more players on their roster under contractual control.
The new rule this year is an attempt to compromise with one single player eligible to return at some point later in the season.
Yep, Packerboi's suggestion looks like a good one in terms of how to handle Bishop.
I'm not sure why we can't have a "bishop update" thread in addition to this "predict the severity" thread, but here's the update I posted that got locked:
"The Packers fear ILB Desmond Bishop will miss "a good portion, if not all" of the upcoming season due to a severe right hamstring injury."
Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette Aug 10 - 3:52 PM
Rotoworld analysis: "It sounds like a rupture of the muscle. Coach Mike McCarthy conceded after the preseason opener that Bishop's injury "didn't look very good," and he underwent testing Friday morning. Although Bishop initially appeared to suffer injuries to both his knee and hamstring, the knee checked out fine. It sounds like he may be sidelined for months with the hamstring injury, though."
"The Packers fear ILB Desmond Bishop will miss "a good portion, if not all" of the upcoming season due to a severe right hamstring injury."
Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette Aug 10 - 3:52 PM
Rotoworld analysis: "It sounds like a rupture of the muscle. Coach Mike McCarthy conceded after the preseason opener that Bishop's injury "didn't look very good," and he underwent testing Friday morning. Although Bishop initially appeared to suffer injuries to both his knee and hamstring, the knee checked out fine. It sounds like he may be sidelined for months with the hamstring injury, though."
Clifton had a partial tear of the hammy last year and he didn't come back until December.
Clifton was out 10 weeks. And Clifton was 34 IIRC vs Bishop who's 28.
10 weeks from now would put him back at week 7 seven vs the Rams. That's quite different then week 14 vs the Lions.
Never a good time for this to happen but we are talking week 1 of pre-season. Not October.
10 weeks from now would put him back at week 7 seven vs the Rams. That's quite different then week 14 vs the Lions.
Never a good time for this to happen but we are talking week 1 of pre-season. Not October.
quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
Why did she let herself go?
So you'd stop stalking her
quote:Originally posted by mr21mr21:
the injury curse continues
Good god - welcome to the NFL. Many injuries to come. Deal. What matters is who's ready at the end of the year. Lots of depth and some of the best players in the league. Sometimes it's ordained and sometimes it's not. Let's play it out.
quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
Depending on how long he's out, Bishop could be used for the new rule this year which would allow you to essentially IR him but not for the whole season.
NFL rules this year allow you to exempt one player like that and bring him back. It's what GB would have done in 2010 with Grant if they could have.quote:After what looked to be a serious injury to the leg of Desmond Bishop in the Packers’ preseason loss to the Chargers last night, the starting inside linebacker could be a candidate for the new injured reserve (I.R.) rule that’s going into effect this season in the NFL.
Under the new rule, one player on every NFL team is eligible to come off injured reserve after six week to resume practicing and can then return to game action after eight weeks.
It used to be that once a football player was placed on injured reserve, his season was done. Teams would carefully determine whether it was worth placing a player on I.R. and signing a new player as opposed to keeping him on the active roster in hopes that he could come back at some point later in the season.
Critics would point to baseball’s disabled list in which players are able to come back after 15 or 60 days, but be replaced by another player on the roster in the meantime. The NFL has tried to avoid an football version of the disabled list so teams couldn’t take advantage of the rule by essentially keeping more players on their roster under contractual control.
The new rule this year is an attempt to compromise with one single player eligible to return at some point later in the season.
Appears this rule not yet official: "NFL waiting on approval for changes" http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...ade-deadline-matters