I just hope Jackson can help us get a signature win this season...
quote:Originally posted by michiganjoe:quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
When you are a superbowl team and you lose a guy like Ryan Grant and you have no capable backup that can carry a fulltime load at TB... you need to make a move to fix the issue.
This really is the crux of the issue. TT and MM clearly have a vastly different view of the abilities of BJack than you do. I don't anticipate a move until either he demonstrates he can't get it done or there's another injury.
There's no need to push the panic button and people need to take a deep breath and just relax.
The news of Grant's injury got me upset initially, but upon some rational thinking I believe Jackson will serve as a capable replacement. I like the fact that Jackson is shifty and can often fight thru tackles to gain an extra few yards, and I think the run game can be efficient enough to keep a pass rush at bay.
If TT wants to bring in Lynch for a fair price I wouldn't oppose it, but I also believe TT most likely is convinced they can get the job done in house. This is a very good football team, and one that is capable of using the rest of the field to make plays other than at RB. The defense must step up, and the o-line as well.
quote:Originally posted by CJS:
What uhhhh... what were you trying to say here? Apparently Coach has the decoder ring.
B-e-s-u-r-e-t-o-d-r-i-n-k-y-o-u-r-o-v-a-l-t-i-n-e.
Given the fact the Packers are a throw first type team I think you will see them stay put with Jackson/Kohn/Nance and then wait for Starks to come back UNLESS nobody establishes themselves or Jackson gets hurt and then maybe TT would consider making a deal.
Remember, when they traded for Grant there wasn't a solid RB on the roster doing anything.
I do think the Hawk + 3rd rounder proposals are ridiculous IMO. Lynch could help this team, but that's a lot to give up and I'd rather we see how things go the next 2-3 games before panicking and making a trade.
Remember, when they traded for Grant there wasn't a solid RB on the roster doing anything.
I do think the Hawk + 3rd rounder proposals are ridiculous IMO. Lynch could help this team, but that's a lot to give up and I'd rather we see how things go the next 2-3 games before panicking and making a trade.
Hawk, Flynn and Bishop for Lynch. Nothing is too much. The time to win is now. If someone else on the team gets injured at whatever position, you keep trading until it hurts.
right, then what happens if Arod, Chillar and Barnett get hurt?
didn't think that far did you?
didn't think that far did you?
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
[ When you are a superbowl team and you lose a guy like Ryan Grant and you have no capable backup that can carry a fulltime load at TB... you need to make a move to fix the issue.
What happens if Jackson gets hurt? This needs to be addressed.
Wait,how can this be? You didn't even pick them to win our division this year! Let's and at least try to keep your trolls a little consistent,diggy.
quote:Originally posted by Salmon Dave:
That's what I've been telling Bills fans over on one of their message boards. Some of them want a 1st round pick for the guy, or Bulaga (because after all, he didn't win the starting job in camp, so he must be a bust.)
Shouldn't Matt Flynn do the trick?
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack: Remember, when they traded for Grant there wasn't a solid RB on the roster doing anything.
They also were coming off of 4-12 and 8-8 seasons and weren't even close to the having the expectations they do now. You make a move this year. Then you sit tight.
I think this was mentioned in another thread, but doesn't GB have to keep Nance on the 53 for three weeks now? If so, where would this roster spot for Lynch come from until then?
quote:" . . . Lynch couldn't keep his nose clean off the field. Even before getting drafted into the NFL, Lynch was accused of sexual assault by his former girlfriend, though an arrest was never made, charges were never filed, and the matter wasn't pursued. After his arrival in Buffalo, Lynch was involved in a hit-and-run incident in which he struck a pedestrian with his vehicle and fled the scene. He would later accept a plea deal, pay a $100 fine and have his license suspended. Less than a year later, Lynch was arrested and charged with felony possession of a concealed firearm. Reports indicated that policemen smelled marijuana at the scene, as well, though drug charges were never pursued. The felony was later reduced to three misdemeanors (he pleaded guilty to one) and was sentenced to three years' probation and 80 hours of community service. The league suspended Lynch for the first three games of the 2009 season on the grounds of violating the league's personal conduct policy. . . Lynch refused to report to spring practices until mid-June, openly seeking a trade in the process."
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No Thanks . . .
We just got rid of a turd in Johnny Jolly..do we really have such a great need that we are willing to bring a guy like this into the community?
quote:Originally posted by Coach:quote:Originally posted by CJS:
What uhhhh... what were you trying to say here? Apparently Coach has the decoder ring.
B-e-s-u-r-e-t-o-d-r-i-n-k-y-o-u-r-o-v-a-l-t-i-n-e.
That's it? The only reason JJSD is here is so he can subliminally send us crummy commercials! Pure marketing genius...
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-AhmanGreen:
right, then what happens if Arod, Chillar and Barnett get hurt?
didn't think that far did you?
I've read on here from at least one expert that if Rodgers goes down the Packers are toast because there isn't a veteran backup. So I'm thinking they don't need Flynn. Hawk isn't any good and is a complete disappointment that hasn't met people's expectations so anyone should be better than him. One guy even said some guy named Francouis and Zombo could play. So I'm thinking it shouldn't be an issue. Besides, this team really needs an RB at all costs.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
the jso article on the situation, note they refer to kuhn as a fb...
Who cares how they "label" him. Mike Alstot was a FB and got the rock alot, Brad Hoover was a FB and ran like Barry Sanders when he played us. I could care less how he is "labelled". It's not like FB's can't carry the ball.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
the jso article on the situation, note they refer to kuhn as a fb...
So you and Bedard think he is a fullback. What does the Packers Roster, Depth chart and Player profile say?
GBFanforLife,
If you have any regard for team depth, you have got to realize that your proposed trade is absolutely insane.
Just one example. What if Rodgers missed two games? Your analysis seems to assume Flynn only has use of Rodgers is out for the year.
If you have any regard for team depth, you have got to realize that your proposed trade is absolutely insane.
Just one example. What if Rodgers missed two games? Your analysis seems to assume Flynn only has use of Rodgers is out for the year.
quote:Originally posted by RonJr:quote:" . . . Lynch couldn't keep his nose clean off the field. Even before getting drafted into the NFL, Lynch was accused of sexual assault by his former girlfriend, though an arrest was never made, charges were never filed, and the matter wasn't pursued. After his arrival in Buffalo, Lynch was involved in a hit-and-run incident in which he struck a pedestrian with his vehicle and fled the scene. He would later accept a plea deal, pay a $100 fine and have his license suspended. Less than a year later, Lynch was arrested and charged with felony possession of a concealed firearm. Reports indicated that policemen smelled marijuana at the scene, as well, though drug charges were never pursued. The felony was later reduced to three misdemeanors (he pleaded guilty to one) and was sentenced to three years' probation and 80 hours of community service. The league suspended Lynch for the first three games of the 2009 season on the grounds of violating the league's personal conduct policy. . . Lynch refused to report to spring practices until mid-June, openly seeking a trade in the process."
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No Thanks . . .
We just got rid of a turd in Johnny Jolly..do we really have such a great need that we are willing to bring a guy like this into the community?
I'm on the record of getting this guy for a "3-4th round pick". It's funny, he wasn't charged in sexual assault (maybe the ex was trying to take him to the cleaners). He was charged with concealed firearm, serious offense, but so was Shaun Rogers (CLE) would we not take him? That guy is a stud, and most people would love him on the DL. He didn't get charged with MJ.
The hit and run is a wierd one, he had a $100 fine for a hit and run, the pedestrian must not have been hurt, so he must have been going 10 MPH or less, he might not have known he hit the person.
I am not trying to make excuses for the guy, but everyone is saying his off-field problems and all I see is, ex-gf trying to get some $$$, bad judgement on owning a gun (which lets face it many players own guns, and are concealed), and a wierd "hit and run" which really doesn't make sense?
Hasn't tested positive for drugs, or in the substance abuse program, that we know? Just my .$02
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
GBFanforLife,
If you have any regard for team depth, you have got to realize that your proposed trade is absolutely insane.
Really?
Good job GBFanforLife you've hooked up a bunch with that comment
Obviously next time you're going to have to point out the oozing sarcasm in your post for the 
The Lynch trade speculation can now officially commence. The scoop-master himself Joe Arrigo has confirmed that trade talks are taking place...
OTS: Packers & Bills Talking Deal For Marshawn Lynch
There's no hiding it now Teddy. You can either pull the trigger on this deal, get rid of Driver, Jones, and Pat Lee or be a wuss and cost us a SB. We need someone to be the LYNCHpin of our Super Bowl season...Marshawn's last name is LYNCH...come on that's more than just a coincidence.
OTS: Packers & Bills Talking Deal For Marshawn Lynch
There's no hiding it now Teddy. You can either pull the trigger on this deal, get rid of Driver, Jones, and Pat Lee or be a wuss and cost us a SB. We need someone to be the LYNCHpin of our Super Bowl season...Marshawn's last name is LYNCH...come on that's more than just a coincidence.
C'mon, GD, don't make Arrigo look dumb...he means Donald Lee.
quote:Originally posted by Brak:
C'mon, GD, don't make Arrigo look dumb...he means Donald Lee.
Listen to yourself (or read yourself I guess?) Brak. Why would we trade Donald Lee? It's not like we still have Spencer Havner anymore to pick up everyone's slack.
Lynch for a pick. Buffalo agrees to let TT draft the player only for the deal to work.
LOL, Good one TD!
TT's leftovers are better than Bills picks.
TT's leftovers are better than Bills picks.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:quote:Originally posted by Brak:
C'mon, GD, don't make Arrigo look dumb...he means Donald Lee.
Listen to yourself (or read yourself I guess?) Brak. Why would we trade Donald Lee? It's not like we still have Spencer Havner anymore to pick up everyone's slack.
You're right. Sorry.
Considering what the going price in previous years for running backs - Marshall Faulk went for a second and a later pick - was a stud at the time. Portis was traded for Champ Bailey and was a stud. McGahee went to Baltimore for a 3rd, 7th and a 3rd the next. McGahee was coming off two 1,000 yard seasons and then a 950+ one. (Randy Moss only fetched a 4th and was a far better player)
A 3rd seems WAY too much for a guy that was on the outs and has not performed in the last two years especially noting the off the field issues. Buffalo has to realize that when you draft a first round running back, it makes the value of your current starter go down not up. (Throw in the fact that i-con has a new found boner for your team and that makes it worse.)
A 3rd seems WAY too much for a guy that was on the outs and has not performed in the last two years especially noting the off the field issues. Buffalo has to realize that when you draft a first round running back, it makes the value of your current starter go down not up. (Throw in the fact that i-con has a new found boner for your team and that makes it worse.)
quote:Originally posted by TD:
Considering what the going price in previous years for running backs - Marshall Faulk went for a second and a later pick - was a stud at the time. Portis was traded for Champ Bailey and was a stud. McGahee went to Baltimore for a 3rd, 7th and a 3rd the next. McGahee was coming off two 1,000 yard seasons and then a 950+ one. (Randy Moss only fetched a 4th and was a far better player)
A 3rd seems WAY too much for a guy that was on the outs and has not performed in the last two years especially noting the off the field issues. Buffalo has to realize that when you draft a first round running back, it makes the value of your current starter go down not up. (Throw in the fact that i-con has a new found boner for your team and that makes it worse.)
Good post, you're exactly right. The Bills probably think they have more leverage because they lost their starter, but in reality they need to get rid of Lynch and his salary (his contract isn't that big for a starting RB but I bet he's making double or triple what most #3 RBs are) more than the Packers need Lynch.
quote:Originally posted by Brak:quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:quote:Originally posted by Brak:
C'mon, GD, don't make Arrigo look dumb...he means Donald Lee.
Listen to yourself (or read yourself I guess?) Brak. Why would we trade Donald Lee? It's not like we still have Spencer Havner anymore to pick up everyone's slack.
You're right. Sorry.
quote:As of 9pm (pst) I received an e-mail from a source who said that the Bills now want OLB Brad Jones and Pat Lee for Lynch and a late round conditional pick and that the deal was "dead at the moment, but the two teams agreed to talk again Thursday."
They're just building up to asking for CMIII and
If we still had Havner this deal would have been done a long time ago.
Maybe we could throw McCarthy in on the deal. Tampa gave up picks for Gruden, McCarthy should be worth a 3rd. Lord knows they need help with their QB's.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
If we still had Havner this deal would have been done a long time ago.
Only if Havner was a TT draft pick would it have worked.
quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
You're hot, TD.
Keep 'em coming.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:quote:Originally posted by TD:
Considering what the going price in previous years for running backs - Marshall Faulk went for a second and a later pick - was a stud at the time. Portis was traded for Champ Bailey and was a stud. McGahee went to Baltimore for a 3rd, 7th and a 3rd the next. McGahee was coming off two 1,000 yard seasons and then a 950+ one. (Randy Moss only fetched a 4th and was a far better player)
A 3rd seems WAY too much for a guy that was on the outs and has not performed in the last two years especially noting the off the field issues. Buffalo has to realize that when you draft a first round running back, it makes the value of your current starter go down not up. (Throw in the fact that i-con has a new found boner for your team and that makes it worse.)
Good post, you're exactly right.
enablers...
Fred Jackson had a pretty good year last year with over 1,000 yards(4.5 a carry). What would it take to get him?
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/...gs-changed-on-lynch/
quote:Despite the myriad of reports out there that have tried to connect the dots between the Packers, who lost RB Ryan Grant for the season, and the Bills, who have a stable of talented backs, Buffalo’s stance on Marshawn Lynch has not changed.
Many reports have speculated that Lynch could be traded to Green Bay, but that’s simply not the case. The Bills have maintained a consistent stance on Marshawn Lynch, which is that they plan to keep him on their roster.
“Our intention is for Marshawn Lynch to be here,” said Bills GM Buddy Nix the weekend of the draft. “He is under contract and we think he is a good back. All this trade talk is not coming from us. He is ours and we intend for him to be here.”
I don't get Buffalo's position here. RB depth is important but unlike WR, DL, CB, LB or OL depth, only one RB can be on the field at a time (realistically). If we had Spiller, Jakcson and Lynch, I guarantee this entire forum would be screaming for a trade, especially if our team was as bad as Buffalo. You just wonder what Lynch brings to the team as the #3 RB. Furthermore, this team is going no where this year and next, so why not stockpile draft picks?
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/...gs-changed-on-lynch/
Good catch. I've seen plenty of internet speculation and conjecture about a move for Lynch but no credible reporting that would indicate that. TT's made his move and unless there's another injury or it's clearly evident what he presently has won't get it done it's settled.