I am going to reserve judgement until we see Jackson in the starting role and the new kid on the field. I don't think anyone was too excited when we traded for Grant and it worked out okay. There have been plenty of Undrafted guys who have has success, so you never know. Think about Priest Holmes, Willie Parker, Josh Cribbs, Mike Bell, etc. They have all produced. Nance could be great. Who knows. What we do know is that both Jackson and Kuhn know the protection schemes well.
Let's give up our 2011 draft. Forget about any value depth we need for 2012 and beyond.
You see. The wildcat package with Sam Shields is comin'! So no worries!
Slight tangent, but I think Kuhn is an excellent contrast to throw at teams. Jackson as many prototypical HB's is faster and shiftier, but not nearly as strong. Give a team a steady diet of Jackson and then get Kuhn in there to really beat the defense up. He's quite physical.
Would be sort of a poor man's version of Morris and Csonka.
Would be sort of a poor man's version of Morris and Csonka.
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
Would be sort of a poor man's version of Morris and Csonka.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
I find it funny that there have been battles on this forum about whether or not Grant is an elite back and posters who argued that he was now find it to almost "no big deal" that he is out for the season and replaced by an injury prone backup who hasn't shown a heckuva a lot and a converted fullback.
Grant is an elite back in my opinion, but he's not the foundation of our offense. We will miss his 1200 yards, but teams have proven as recently as last year that you don't need an elite back to be successful. The last couple seasons Grant has gotten the bulk of the carries in our rushing attack (over 60%), but now that he's gone I'm sure the carries will be divided a little more evenly. The passing game is the basis of our offense, that's true with Grant and without him.
Any rumors if Nance will be a part of the 45 man on Sunday?
My God, our best running play Sunday was 18 yards behind Colledge (when Grant broke his leg).
Hall and Kuhn lined up in a reverse wishbone blocking for Grant (like a T-Bone Jumbo Power Offense but with a FB on either side and back of the QB). If we lose more RBs, line up Crabtree and Lee as T-Bone Jumbo FBs if need be.
Our tackles don't get push or our RBs are too slow so forget sweeps start throwing screens instead. Kuhn, Jackson, and Hall all have good hands.
BTW, listened to ESPN radio this morning. They were talking about when Brady gets blitzed he immediately throws to a WR screen (Welker) and that's why Welker gets 15 catchs a game. The other WR blocks.
Widen the field with screens, get their hogs gassed, then run right at them with decent blockers. Hell, we've got lots of TEs. Let's start using them as H Backs in motion more.
(Geez, I Love smashmouth play action football)
Hall and Kuhn lined up in a reverse wishbone blocking for Grant (like a T-Bone Jumbo Power Offense but with a FB on either side and back of the QB). If we lose more RBs, line up Crabtree and Lee as T-Bone Jumbo FBs if need be.
Our tackles don't get push or our RBs are too slow so forget sweeps start throwing screens instead. Kuhn, Jackson, and Hall all have good hands.
BTW, listened to ESPN radio this morning. They were talking about when Brady gets blitzed he immediately throws to a WR screen (Welker) and that's why Welker gets 15 catchs a game. The other WR blocks.
Widen the field with screens, get their hogs gassed, then run right at them with decent blockers. Hell, we've got lots of TEs. Let's start using them as H Backs in motion more.
(Geez, I Love smashmouth play action football)
quote:Originally posted by The GBP Rules:
Any rumors if Nance will be a part of the 45 man on Sunday?
I don't think anyone knows at this point. Rob Demovsky was asked that in his chat yesterday and he didn't know. Nance said in his lockerroom interview I think Wednesday that it was a very complex offense to learn so who knows. I guess it depends on how quick Nance picks everything up. My guess would be that yes he will be on the 45 and no he won't play.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
I find it funny that there have been battles on this forum about whether or not Grant is an elite back and posters who argued that he was now find it to almost "no big deal" that he is out for the season and replaced by an injury prone backup who hasn't shown a heckuva a lot and a converted fullback.
But, it's still not as funny as someone that is bitching about BJax being an injury prone backup that hasn't done a heckuva lot, wanting the Packers GM to overpay with whatever it takes to trade for an injury prone 3rd string RB that hasn't shown a heckuva lot the last 2 years for one of the worst offense in the NFL.
To me, THAT's funny.
I doubt Nance is part of the 53... he is not a strong STer. Jackson is the #1 back. Kuhn will get more 3rd downs and his typical short yardage touches. Hall and the Mighty Quinn will be active this week.
quote:Originally posted by CAPackFan95:quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
I find it funny that there have been battles on this forum about whether or not Grant is an elite back and posters who argued that he was now find it to almost "no big deal" that he is out for the season and replaced by an injury prone backup who hasn't shown a heckuva a lot and a converted fullback.
But, it's still not as funny as someone that is bitching about BJax being an injury prone backup that hasn't done a heckuva lot, wanting the Packers GM to overpay with whatever it takes to trade for an injury prone 3rd string RB that hasn't shown a heckuva lot the last 2 years for one of the worst offense in the NFL.
To me, THAT's funny.
Nope, mine is funnier.
quote:Originally posted by Dyslexic Dog:
I am going to reserve judgement until we see Jackson in the starting role and the new kid on the field.
Yah, but that's because you have a brain and have chosen to use it. Too bad for you. You could be out there stating absolutes about a situation that has yet to resolve itself. Think how much fun you could have then.
quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
My God, our best running play Sunday was 18 yards behind Colledge (when Grant broke his leg).
Hall and Kuhn lined up in a reverse wishbone blocking for Grant (like a T-Bone Jumbo Power Offense but with a FB on either side and back of the QB). If we lose more RBs, line up Crabtree and Lee as T-Bone Jumbo FBs if need be.
Our tackles don't get push or our RBs are too slow so forget sweeps start throwing screens instead. Kuhn, Jackson, and Hall all have good hands.
BTW, listened to ESPN radio this morning. They were talking about when Brady gets blitzed he immediately throws to a WR screen (Welker) and that's why Welker gets 15 catchs a game. The other WR blocks.
Widen the field with screens, get their hogs gassed, then run right at them with decent blockers. Hell, we've got lots of TEs. Let's start using them as H Backs in motion more.
(Geez, I Love smashmouth play action football)
Great post.
Great post Larsee. I agree that the stretch play they love to use just does not work right now. Weird how the two runnings plays that stand out most in my mind were Grant's long run and Kuhn's long run, and both were right up the middle. Just follow Sitton and the FB and things will go well. That, or have Bulaga/Lang go in to run block on obvious running plays. Clifton and Tauscher look done as run blockers.
quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
Hall and Kuhn lined up in a reverse wishbone blocking for Grant (like a T-Bone Jumbo Power Offense but with a FB on either side and back of the QB). If we lose more RBs, line up Crabtree and Lee as T-Bone Jumbo FBs if need be.
Love that formation, IIRC Packers call it "Falcon". They don't do it often, but Korey Hall and/or the blocking tight end are ALWAYS open on short flat passes from that formation, it always seems to go for a first down. They don't throw enough to Hall, IMO.
Both great posts.
In the Super Bowl year, we used power formations and play action all the time. Used Keith Jackson in 2 TE sets and play action Jackson down the middle was a great threat. Threw lots of screens to Dorsey. The Pack knew we could milk the clock in the 4th with Dorsey who wasn't flashy either. We knew it because we did it in the regular season.
Maybe a screen and power running team behind Bulaga, Lang, Wells, and Sitton in the 4th quarter trying to milk the clock could be tried. Cliffy and Tausch have to be gassed in the 4th.
Now's the time to try it against the next 3 weak teams.
(Take the heat off AR and watch him throw for 300 a game. Screens add up too.)
In the Super Bowl year, we used power formations and play action all the time. Used Keith Jackson in 2 TE sets and play action Jackson down the middle was a great threat. Threw lots of screens to Dorsey. The Pack knew we could milk the clock in the 4th with Dorsey who wasn't flashy either. We knew it because we did it in the regular season.
Maybe a screen and power running team behind Bulaga, Lang, Wells, and Sitton in the 4th quarter trying to milk the clock could be tried. Cliffy and Tausch have to be gassed in the 4th.
Now's the time to try it against the next 3 weak teams.
(Take the heat off AR and watch him throw for 300 a game. Screens add up too.)
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
I doubt Nance is part of the 53... he is not a strong STer. Jackson is the #1 back. Kuhn will get more 3rd downs and his typical short yardage touches. Hall and the Mighty Quinn will be active this week.
If he doesn't have value on ST then we definitely won't see him active until he shows enough at RB during practice or the combo of Jackson and Hall don't get the job done.
Hopefully he's inactive for the rest of the year and the bedwetters can rail on about him and Lynch.
If he is inactive all year we'll hear about that too.
quote:
Originally posted by Herschel:
It was in The Sporting News, on the Senior Bowl site and on PFW that I read about Sherman liking those guys and a couple other draft sites that I don't remember (who probably nicked it from the other three anyway).
I remember that Sporting News article too (Gretzky was on the cover) and how it talked about Wolf hating teh term "war room". But again, numerous places reported Sherman was hot for Johnson and Stroud. Wolf saying after-the-fact they wanted Reynolds & Ferguson not withstanding.
And the stories say Wolf made the calls and Sherman agreed with him, like he had any choice in the matter. Wolf called the shots and the article stated also that disagreements were already settled before the draft. It's a bit of a stretch to say Sherman was calling the shots, no?
quote:
Originally posted by Herschel:
And where do you think the Stroud reference came from? Christl obviously also knew of Sherman's interest in him.
Last quote first:
Actually Hersh, that's not really obvious at all. The context is that "interestingly enough" that Stroud wasn't mentioned because at the time Christl was commenting Stroud had turned out to be a better NFL player than either Reynolds or Robinson.
According to Attner (who was actually there in the room), not only wasn't Stroud involved in the final conversation/contingencies for the #10 pick he would've ranked no higher than 4th (behind Reynolds, Carter and Morgan) on the defensive side of the ball unless he is a lousy reporter or they were lying to him for some unknown reason (which is silly on it's face because the article wouldn't be published until after the draft regardless).
Your contention that Sherman liked Stroud better than Reynolds (or the other two mentioned above) is completely unsupported speculation on your part that is not backed up by anything other than by what you remember.
I will freely concede that Wolf still had the ultimate responsibilty for the pick(s) since he was the GM, but you've presented exactly nothing to support that Sherman wasn't also on board (and the reporting directly contradicts you).
I make no claims whatsoever as to whether or not Sherman and/or Wolf liked Stroud and/or Johnson to some degree (there are always players one likes that a team isn't able to get). In fact, I have little doubt that they did and I'll even gladly stipulate to that.
That said, what you've posted doesn't come remotely close to even challenging the quoted reporting let alone refuting it.
I'd be quite interested to read any of those "numerous" reports you claim are out there that backs your position.
However, until I see at least some credible evidence to the contrary, IMO you're completely FOS.
quote:However, until I see at least some credible evidence to the contrary, IMO you're completely FOS.
Isn't that a line from Gone With the Wind?
Not that I recall.
However, "Gone with the Wind" is a pretty good description of what just happened to another chunk of whatever is left of Hersh's credibility.
quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
Maybe a screen and power running team behind Bulaga, Lang, Wells, and Sitton in the 4th quarter trying to milk the clock could be tried. Cliffy and Tausch have to be gassed in the 4th.
Now's the time to try it against the next 3 weak teams.
Me likey.
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
Would be sort of a poor man's version of Morris and Csonka.
How about Pittman and Alstott?
2002 season Super Bowl Champion Tampa Bay Bucs:
Michael Pittman: 204 carries for 718 yards 3.5 ypc 1 rushing TD.
Mike Alstott: 146 carries for 548 yards 3.8 ypc 5 rushing TD's.
Dayne and Barber!
Hmmm, on second thought, let's go with the other examples.
Hmmm, on second thought, let's go with the other examples.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
I doubt Nance is part of the 53... he is not a strong STer.
SO, you think he'll be cut ?? Or did you mean 45 ?
The thing folks don't realize about Kuhn is that he is very smart(Rodgers echoed this the other day) and can play multiple positions in this offense(RB/FB/flanker).
We'd all like to have better depth, but are you willing to over-pay or bring a guy in with questionable character ??