Roughing the passer

The NFL should be able to take away money from officials who can't make the correct calls. Of course, they don't care at all about these horse **** roughing penalties. In their view, it's "better safe than sorry" with the money makers. They'd actually rather see them **** up 100s of these calls in a single season than lose a Tom Brady type player for a season. The only "flaws" that ever get "fixed" are the ones that help the offenses put up more yards and points. For every rule tweak that helps the defenses, there are probably ten that help the offenses. If I hear one more nitwit talk about CTE, concussions or some garbage like that, I'll lose it. Guys like Mike Webster and Jim McMahon didn't end up all screwed up because they spent the better part of their careers boozing and vacuuming up cocaine at every hot night spot, oh heavens no.

You are on a roll tonight Pack-Man.

Haven't you guys learned it doesn't matter what happens on the field.

The NFL calls what they want & you have to eat it.

Only way to fix it is turn the channel.

It really is amazing to me that they never mention substance abuse when talking about these guys with neurological problems. It is a well documented fact that the Steelers spent the night before the game against the Cowboys in Super Bowl XIII getting coked up at a drug dealer's house down in Miami. People also wonder where all the money goes. Amazing.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Haven't you guys learned it doesn't matter what happens on the field.

The NFL calls what they want & you have to eat it.

Only way to fix it is turn the channel.

It will make no difference. Most people are casuals who can't get enough of the high flying offense. The emphasis on passing and added focus on QBs has played a huge role in drawing in female interest in the league. The NFL won't lose ratings until they've basically eliminated tackling from the game (which very well could happen within a couple decades).

The call on Perry's hit was leading with the crown of his helmet, not helmet to helmet. If you look at the replay it's clearly a horrible call.

It's one of those calls that the NFL won't admit they blew, but the lack of a fine on Perry will be an admission they did.

Text. Book. Tackle.


See what you hit, hit what you see.

The gang over at Yahoo Sports are living up to their name. This article describes the hit as vicious as well as illegal. It's amazing Luck was able to continue as it was the hardest hit of the year. Unbelievable.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/...-210323838--nfl.html

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
Text. Book. Tackle.


See what you hit, hit what you see.

Heads UP!!!

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Just watching SD lose a touchdown on a call, how about coaching defenders to come in and shove them with two hands to the chest.

That call cost them the game too.

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It really is amazing to me that they never mention substance abuse when talking about these guys with neurological problems. It is a well documented fact that the Steelers spent the night before the game against the Cowboys in Super Bowl XIII getting coked up at a drug dealer's house down in Miami. People also wonder where all the money goes. Amazing.

Not to mention all the steroids the NFL players (Steeler players especially) did back in the 70s and 80s.

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It's amazing Luck was able to continue as it was the hardest hit of the year. Unbelievable.

It was so brutal that Luck had a giant smirk on his face right after, knowing the Colts got a huge break.

Since you can't touch the QB, stick two pink flags on them.

National Flag League. Matching muffs and dildos would be a nice touch.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
Text. Book. Tackle.


See what you hit, hit what you see.

I was always taught, head across their body to the up field side, hit with the shoulder. Never hit with your face or helmet first.

Tackling 101.

Course it depends on the viciousness in the ref's "judgement".

That's only fair.

Can't put the crown of your helmet on the QB's chin.

From that view, it looks like the ball snaps his face guard back before a helmet.

Gotta have more rules and more views. Wish I had the replay cameras concession.

Grab and drag league is here.

Would like a different angle. Hard to tell. Just wish they would make it fair and call these everytime they happen, but they don't any never will.

Does holding by the OL ever get called anymore or is that the NFL just protecting the QB from being hit.

Facemask on the chest is not okay either.

As long as the helmet starts at the breastplate it's ok. Sounds like hitting with the crown of the helmet was the reason for the call though.

The frustration level of playing D in today's NFL has to be maddening. Perry does everything right, get's to the QB, causes a fumble, but he didn't pause long enough on his way to Luck to remember,

Don't lead with the helmet
Not below the waist.
Don't touch him on the head at all
Don't throw him down
Hit him with your shoulder pads
Dont drive him into the ground after you wrap him up.

Lot's of potential ways for a sack to 15 yards the other way if you're not careful.

The look on Luck's face after the call says it all. He even knew the call was bogus.

QBs have to stay pretty for the next day's tampon commercial.

His head snapped back from the impact, not from getting hit with the helmet.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:

Clemson looks smaller this year.

I don't think Perry's helmet hit Luck's chin and snapped his head back but I can see where a ref might have thought that in real time.

My point is, if you lead with the shoulder, you won't get the flag.....probably

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Can't put the crown of your helmet on the QB's chin.

Perry's helmet never connected with Luck's helmet.

I didn't say Luck's helmet, I said his chin, look at your first pic.

I don't think it did hit his chin but I can see where, in real time, a ref might have thought it did and threw the flag.

Lead with your shoulder.

Bubble wrap the QBs over their bulging sumo wrestling costumes.

Roll 'em all over the field like a beach ball.

Now that's entertainment.

Didn't hit his chin either.

Agreed.

FS never said he hit his chin. He said in real time, the ref could have mistakenly thought he did.

(By the way, FS, love the avatar.)

It reminded me of the (I think) Zombo hit to Cutler in 2010? Face mask to the chest... if he leads with his shoulder and ends up in the same spot as his face mask did, I still think he would get flagged. Just don't think that is the correct interpretation of the rule(s).

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
...if he leads with his shoulder and ends up in the same spot as his face mask did, I still think he would get flagged.

I disagree with that. The flag was because the ref thought Perry led with the crown of his helmet and Luck's head flopped back like he'd been hit on the chin by the top of Perry's helmet.

If a shoulder to the chest were to draw a flag my respect for the NFL would drop even further.

Its sad we even have to dissect it to this degree, really sad ... either way the QB is getting smoked IMO.

Luck was a stationary target.. He shouldn't have angle to a side and give Luck an escape route.

That was a great hit, but sadly, great hits are no longer allowed.. I miss football.

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Originally posted by The GBP Rules:
Not to mention all the steroids the NFL players (Steeler players especially) did back in the 70s and 80s.

Nearly every single one of the guys complaining the loudest about their neurological problems played in the NFL's "golden era" of drugs, steroids and HGH. I'm not about to deny that some guys do end up with their brains getting scrambled after taking too many hits, but there is a whole angle to the story that is never mentioned. Why is it that guys like Bart Starr, Jerry Kramer and Dick Butkus are just as lucid and active as any other man nearing 80 (if not moreso), but guys who played during the aforementioned "Golden Era" are the ones who are having the most problems? If a person doesn't believe guys like Jim McMahon and Dave Duerson were doing rails of coke off of some stripper's ass every Friday night, then they're just naive. Most young guys who come into fame and fortune would be doing the same thing if nothing stood in their way. This doesn't mean they're "bad" people, I just wish someone in the media had the guts to speak up about these things, but placing all the blame on the game itself is a juicier story that gets people talking. No one would care too much about these guys if it were seen through the narrative of rich athletes engaging in the sort of off field excesses that are so typical amongst them.

NFL rulebook: Unnecessary roughness

The language certainly leaves plenty of room for interpretation but I still don't see it, although in a game speed situation it's understandable why it was called.

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Note: If in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactics, the covering official(s) should always call unnecessary roughness.

That's as good an explanation as any for why the call was made.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
I didn't say Luck's helmet, I said his chin, look at your first pic.

I don't think it did hit his chin but I can see where, in real time, a ref might have thought it did and threw the flag.

Lead with your shoulder.

Really, the spirit of the new rules say that if you hit the QB with your head NEAR his head you will be penalized. I knew the flag was coming out as soon as Perry his him. He needs to adjust to the new rules, Perry.

EDIT: See post above.

It's kind of like when an umpire is calling the low strike: you know it's going to be called if it's close and you have to adjust. The ref is making the call in real time with Luck's head snapping back like a crash test dummy.

Pac Man,

Hmmmm, maybe you have a point.

But, there are some oldies that are in bad shape. John Mackey comes to mind. That poor guy has nothing left.

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But, there are some oldies that are in bad shape. John Mackey comes to mind. That poor guy has nothing left.

He died a year or 2 ago.