Yeah, I thought he might have - thanks.
I don't deny that it will scramble the brains of some, but the fact that most of the guys filing the lawsuits or dying now played in the well documented, heavilly drugged and juiced eras of the 70s and 80s likely has something to do with this stuff. There is a lot more to the story than we are led to believe. Even today, guys can still get away with using cocaine and a lot of other drugs that don't stay in in the system for more than 2-3 days (and you'd better believe that a lot of these guys are doing plenty of blow when out clubbing). They just have to know when the tests will be. As long as you haven't been caught before, you'll always know when you will be tested.quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
Pac Man,
Hmmmm, maybe you have a point.
But, there are some oldies that are in bad shape. John Mackey comes to mind. That poor guy has nothing left.
I think the key is to teach your quarterback to instantly throw his head back every time he gets sacked.
Cutler grabs his head after every knockdown. Brady asks for a tissue.
This is Goodell talking about possible future changes to the game in 2010. the relevant point of the video is at 8 minutes and 8 seconds when Rodger says anything is possible and that he could even see a time when players no longer get in a three point stance. If they ever get rid of the three point stance for lineman I'm done with football.
Flag football doesn't require a 3 pt stance.
You go girls.
You go girls.
They could just ask politely if they can sack the QB. They might have to scare him so he drops the ball in cases where they could have hit him really hard.
Put me in the camp with Goalline and Free safety.
Three years ago (and for the 75 previous to that) it wasn't a penalty.
Today, it is.
Players need to know that going in.
Three years ago (and for the 75 previous to that) it wasn't a penalty.
Today, it is.
Players need to know that going in.
quote:Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
Put me in the camp with Goalline and Free safety.
Three years ago (and for the 75 previous to that) it wasn't a penalty.
Today, it is.
Players need to know that going in.
Bingo....rules change every year, don't like 'em? Don't play, or in our case don't watch.
Has anyone read anything yet about whether Perry will be fined?
The Strike Zone continuously gets smaller for defenders to hit a QB. Can't hit the head or lead with your head, but now if it is even close to either situation you still can't do it. You can't hit at the knees either so basically you can hit anywhere from balls to nipples ONLY IF you don't lead with your helmet...makes sense.
I understand the alleged spirit of these rules, player safety and limiting concussions and blah blah blah. I say alleged because I don't think that's the true goal, I think the true goal is bigger passing numbers and more touchdowns. It's also to protect their butts so the players can't sue them after their brains are like severely bruised peaches. Are the rule changes really necessary for protecting themselves though? Legally speaking, couldn't they force players to go through "concussion education classes", so to speak, to educate them on concussions and what will happen to them some day if they lead with their head? Have a couple of these guys whose brains are scrambled come scare them straight. Then they could say they provided all the information necessary, but the players CHOSE to still lead with their helmets and suffer concussions? This is a question for our X4 legal correspondent Va-JJwattSD I guess.
The Strike Zone continuously gets smaller for defenders to hit a QB. Can't hit the head or lead with your head, but now if it is even close to either situation you still can't do it. You can't hit at the knees either so basically you can hit anywhere from balls to nipples ONLY IF you don't lead with your helmet...makes sense.
I understand the alleged spirit of these rules, player safety and limiting concussions and blah blah blah. I say alleged because I don't think that's the true goal, I think the true goal is bigger passing numbers and more touchdowns. It's also to protect their butts so the players can't sue them after their brains are like severely bruised peaches. Are the rule changes really necessary for protecting themselves though? Legally speaking, couldn't they force players to go through "concussion education classes", so to speak, to educate them on concussions and what will happen to them some day if they lead with their head? Have a couple of these guys whose brains are scrambled come scare them straight. Then they could say they provided all the information necessary, but the players CHOSE to still lead with their helmets and suffer concussions? This is a question for our X4 legal correspondent Va-JJwattSD I guess.
The continued pussification of the game
I think the players know the rules and do their best to follow them - but the NFL keeps moving the goalposts on them mid-stream. Now, it doesn't matter if he actually did what he is accused of doing...all that matters is that the ref thinks he might have and that's good enough for a flag. They assume guilt and there is no recourse if/when they are wrong. And they are wrong quite frequently
"If in doubt, the covering official(s) should always call unnecessary roughness."
That's a bullschit way to run a league and fans have every right to complain about the product they are paying for
Don't like it, don't read message boards
I think the players know the rules and do their best to follow them - but the NFL keeps moving the goalposts on them mid-stream. Now, it doesn't matter if he actually did what he is accused of doing...all that matters is that the ref thinks he might have and that's good enough for a flag. They assume guilt and there is no recourse if/when they are wrong. And they are wrong quite frequently
"If in doubt, the covering official(s) should always call unnecessary roughness."
That's a bullschit way to run a league and fans have every right to complain about the product they are paying for
Don't like it, don't read message boards
Mandate the helmet Rodgers uses and Jennings uses (but does not like). It likely won't prevent concussions, but it sounds like it greatly reduces the possibilities. Also, I'd expect the technology will continue to improve in this area.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Mandate the helmet Rodgers uses and Jennings uses (but does not like). It likely won; prevent concussions, but it sounds like it greatly reduces the possibilities. Also, I'd expect the technology will continue to improve in this area.
Build a forcefield into each helmet.
try adding air bags that inflate upon impact
Personal foul. Engaging the quarterbacks airbags. 15 yard penalty. First down!!!
oops, time for a commercial break
How about a clear plastic shell around their heads with ventilation. They can wear padded astronaut-type caps with the logos, but no real traditional helmet on their heads. Basically it fits over their head and shoulders, one solid piece of cleear plastic. Would not restict their vision at all.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
Engaging the quarterbacks airbags.
Not a penalty in the LFL.
There's probably more contact in that league...at least, I hope there is. Yumm!
Lots of defenseless receivers in that video.
That video shows about eleventy billion in fines and suspensions if those hits happened in the current NPFL
I sure do miss that level of intensity
I sure do miss that level of intensity
I love the intensity of the old game but I don't miss hitting with the crown of the helmet, the clothesline, or using the forearm as a weapon to the head. I really don't want to see another Darryl Stingley happen. The game is plenty dangerous, although the hitting not as ferocious. I do miss those whopper hits where a guy nails another guy in the chest, straightens him up and takes him to the ground. Guys like Butkus and Lambert were masters.
I say any player who has the ball should be fair game for a hit above the knees and below the chin. QBs too if they had just released the ball.
With the size, speed and strength of today's defenders, all of the top offensive players would by on IR by midseason if those types of hits were allowed.
They might as well just blow the whistle if a player has a free run at the QB like Perry did.
The hit Greene puts on Elway is very similar to the one Perry put on Luck.
Earl Campbell gave better than he got. It's a wonder more of the hits that send a guy airborne only to land on his head don't result in more serious injuries, like this video of Jahvid Best. It's amazing Best is even walking, and the same with some of those other guys.
Give it time and there will be a "defenseless QB" rule to eliminate blindside hits.
quote:Why is it that guys like Bart Starr, Jerry Kramer and Dick Butkus are just as lucid and active as any other man nearing 80 (if not moreso), but guys who played during the aforementioned "Golden Era" are the ones who are having the most problems?
So riddle me this - some of the information I've read is that the average life expectency of NFL players is anywhere from 50-55 years of age.
Are we suggesting that all of those players that die young were druggies? I really doubt it.
You also mentioned some exceptions, like Bart Starr. Mike Ditka is another guy that comes to mind. But how do you explain these guys living (on average) 25 years less than most people working in other professions?
Back to the Perry hit, I can understand the thought that it's a bang bang play and it can "look" like he made an illegal hit. However, the rules around protecting QBs has taken such a ridiculous turn that there will be a point in time where a defender can't make any contact with the QB. If it's not Erik Walden getting flagged for hitting Russell Wilson then it's Nick Perry getting flagged for hitting Andrew Luck. Just make a rule like training camp where these guys wear red jerseys and they are off limits because that's what it's turning into.
On Rodgers radio show yesterday...
Q from a fan: Do you think helmet to helmet calls should be reviewable?
Wilde adds: On the Perry sack/fumble with the flag... you have an interesting perspective being a QB and NPs team-mate.
in real time it looked like a clean hit to me... I think the flag was thrown because of the way it "looked"... Perry is a 270 lb guy and Lucks head snapped back so dramatically it might have been perceived as helmet to helmet
Q from a fan: Do you think helmet to helmet calls should be reviewable?
Wilde adds: On the Perry sack/fumble with the flag... you have an interesting perspective being a QB and NPs team-mate.
in real time it looked like a clean hit to me... I think the flag was thrown because of the way it "looked"... Perry is a 270 lb guy and Lucks head snapped back so dramatically it might have been perceived as helmet to helmet
quote:Originally posted by Packdog:
For all you young pussies, here's what real football used to be like : Ouch
RICH CAMPBELL made a highlight reel...who says he was a bust!
Man that 84 bears defense was BEAST
After watching that I am more in favor of the new defenseless receiver rule and protecting the QB rules than ever before.
quote:Man that 84 bears defense was BEAST
I guess you didn't see the 1996 Packer defense (who broke the 85 Bears defenses records) but was overlooked because of the #1 rated Packer offense
Perry fined $15k today. Nonsense.
Perry will appeal.
Perry will appeal.
