My predraft wish list was OL at least 2 of first three selections so obviously I am happy. I think the Pack should go guard in one of the next two.
You never know, but sure looks good to me!
I like the strengths I've read about this guy. He seems to have all the things that can't be coached, while his weaknesses are mostly things that can be fixed by coaching.
The only serious concern, if I had to pick one, is that scouts say he lacks aggression. But we'll see how that pans out.
I like the pick at #32. More than at any other position, they needed to add talent to the OL and they seem to have done that with Sherrod.
The only serious concern, if I had to pick one, is that scouts say he lacks aggression. But we'll see how that pans out.
I like the pick at #32. More than at any other position, they needed to add talent to the OL and they seem to have done that with Sherrod.
Thanks, GD. That's great information. Hopefully Campen Clifton can coach him up.
quote:HopefullyCampenCliftonTauscher can coach him up.
FTFY
quote:Last three times Pack has drafted an OT in first round, they have gone to the Super Bowl the next year, winning twice.
1996 - John Michels
1997 - Ross Verba
2010 - Bryan Bulaga
Let's keep the streak alive.
Add Gale Gillingham who was our second of two 1st rounders (Jim Grabowski was our first #1) picked in the 1966 draft. January 1967 Green Bay won the first Super Bowl.
That was the summary strengths/weaknesses from Lande, here is the total breakdown:
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ATHLETIC ABILITY / FLEXIBILITY / AGILITY / POSITION VERSATILITY
Sherrod is a top level athlete, which has helped him to be a highly productive LT at Mississippi State despite not having great strength. He has very quick feet and has consistently shown them sliding out to the corner to cut-off the explosive edge rusher. He has the flexibility to bend his knees and sink hips to block with good base/leverage and when he does his quick feet enable him to slide
well side to side to adjust to quick pass rush moves. He has the foot quicks and playing to pull and lead block on outside runs and can get thru to the 2nd level very quickly. He has the athleticism to stay over his feet to maintain and block very well out in space. Overall, he has the athleticism to be a top LT if he improves his hands better in pass pro and improves his playing strength consistency.
RUN BLOCKING -- IN-LINE / OUT IN SPACE
Despite not being a huge OT, he is a consistently productive run blocker on most types of run blocks. He is quick and aggressive off the ball on side/angle run blocks - Makes contact quickly, gets into position and can either pin/seal man out of the play or occasionally shows strength to knock DL backwards and puts man on back. He is very effective getting ahold of head-up or outside shaded DE, can tie DE up, works around him and can pin him inside to get the corner for the RB. Does a good job of locking onto to head-up DE, can work inside and seals DE outside on inside runs. The only area he really is not effective as an in-line run blocker is on straight ahead run blocks when he needs to drive DE and get movement - Lacks power and can be stood up at the POA. He has consistently shown the quicks and athleticism to pull and lead block the âFill LBâ in the hole and can pin man to the side of hole to open hole for RB. He can pull and get outside to lead block defender on outside runs and can adjust to block a moving defender easily. He is very quick getting thru the LOS and can block LB on the 2nd level very well - Consistently blocks with VG base/leverage and stays on and maintains block.
PASS BLOCKING -- ON DEEP PASS DROPS AND SHORT/QUICK SETS
Sherrod has the foot quicks to slide out to the corner to cut-off explosive edge rushers. He has the flexibility to bend knees and sink hips to pass block with good base/leverage and when he does he is a very good pass blocker. When he blocks with base he has consistently shown the ability to stay on and maintain pass blocks and could adjust easily to secondary pass rush moves. When he blocks with base he can re-direct and slide quickly side to side to handle quick inside pass rush moves, but he needs to be more consistent using his inside hand aggressively to slow inside pass rush move even when he has good position. The biggest issue is that despite pass blocking with good base/leverage, Sherrod does not use his hands aggressively (Tends to keep hands low and grabs outside the pass rusherâs shoulders) which leaves his chest wide open and allows aggressive pass rushers to jolt him and drive him backwards into the pocket. When he does set short and uses hands to aggressively punch pass rusher he can stop man and keeps him pinned on the LOS.
INITIAL QUICKNESS - OUT OF STANCE AND INTO BLOCKING
Sherrodâs foot quicks helps him to consistently get out of stance and set to block fast. In pass pro he has consistently shown the quicks to slide out to
the corner in time to cut-off explosive, edge rusher and to get set quickly to take on pass rusher fast on short sets. On run blocks his quicks off the ball to make contact with defender is what enables him to be a consistently productive run blocker despite not having great natural strength - It enables
him to play stronger than his natural strength. Additionally, he shows really good initial quicks off the ball to get thru the LOS to the 2nd level in a flash.
PLAYING STRENGTH / USE OF HANDS / PUNCH
This is the area of biggest concern and will likely be the area that determines Sherrodâs level of success in the NFL. He is not a big, thick bodied OT and has to rely upon his ability to get into good blocking position with good base/leverage very quickly to help him play stronger than his natural strength. However, he lacks the playing strength to get movement on straight ahead run blocks and can be jolted upright and backwards at times. He does not have the strength to consistently get movement on side/angle blocks - Always pins/seals man out of the play, but does not get movement consistently. He does not punch/use his hands aggressively, which hinders his strength in pass pro. He has a tendency to keep his hands low as he sets up in pass pro and ends up grabbing outside the pass rusherâs shoulders, instead of punching pass rusher in chest, and this leaves his chest wide open to aggressive pass rushers - Aggressive bull rushers are able to jolt and drive him backwards into the QBâs lap even when he pass blocks with good base/leverage when he does not use his hands aggressively.
MOBILITY - BLOCKING ON 2ND LEVEL / PULLING / TRAPPING
While playing strength is an issue for Sherrod, athleticism/mobility are the areas where he shines. He has the foot quicks to get thru the LOS to the 2nd
level very fast and does a very good job of keeping knees bent and blocking with good technique out in space, which helps him to stay on and maintain
block on LB. He is quick to make short pull to lead up into the hole and can block the âFill LBâ to the side to open up the hole consistently. He also shows the speed to make the long pull to get outside to lead block on outside runs and has the athleticism to adjust and block a moving target.
SMARTS / AWARENESS / SIZE / BODY TYPE / COMPETES
Sherrod is a smart player with good awareness, which shows up in his ability to consistently switch off well with OG to handle DL stunts/loops. He uses good technique in terms of knee bend and base/leverage, but does not use hands well in pass pro so how he learns technique from coaching is a question mark. He has good height at 6â5 and longer than expected arms, but is thin framed and lacks the bulk/weight to play strong vs NFL DL consistently without better use of hands. He is a very competitive blocker (But not an aggressive one) who gets after man quickly, keeps feet moving and stays after block until the whistle.
IMO, any pick comes is always a gamble, so we'll see what happens over the years, but what stood out to me is that he seems to have been pretty injury free except for a foot infection which I would put into the fluke injury category. After having a couple of 1st rounders never even come close to playing because of injuries, this is what excites me.
The other difference from the Michaels pick, is if I remember correctly, Michaels had a glaring deficiency coming out (something like playing too straight up) and that they were going to correct that. This guy sounds like he is fundementally very strong and that they rap on him is that he is not aggressive enough. If he didn't allow a sack his last two years and run blocked for a team that ran the ball very well, I would say he did his job pretty darn well. Also, I know the NFL is a big step up from college as far as intensity and nastiness, but SEC is a pretty tough conference, its not like he was playing for Moorehead State or somewhere.
The other difference from the Michaels pick, is if I remember correctly, Michaels had a glaring deficiency coming out (something like playing too straight up) and that they were going to correct that. This guy sounds like he is fundementally very strong and that they rap on him is that he is not aggressive enough. If he didn't allow a sack his last two years and run blocked for a team that ran the ball very well, I would say he did his job pretty darn well. Also, I know the NFL is a big step up from college as far as intensity and nastiness, but SEC is a pretty tough conference, its not like he was playing for Moorehead State or somewhere.
Watch Reggie White play and you willbtotally get it.quote:Originally posted by Tdog:quote:Does not roll off the ball flat-backed with power
am I the only one that has no idea what that means?
all I wanna know is does he play at a high level!
quote:Originally posted by Chronic Hobbit:
Maybe GD can answer this: was Sherrod a major player in the Mississippi State running game? In other words, did they run to his side a lot?
And yes, I'm too lazy to look this schit up myself.
In his last three seasons, Mississippi State scored 62 times on the ground with Sherrod recording 44 of those touchdown-resulting blocks
GBPG
The older I get, the more I can get excited about so called "non sexy" picks of top OL in the early rounds. To trot out the old cliche... "games are won and lost in the trenches". I was very happy to see them land Bulaga last year too. Let's just hope GB gets the mileage out of Sherrod and Bulaga that they did with Tauch and Cliffy.
Going to have to toughen this guy up a bit. Aint no sleeves allowed
35 3/8-inch arm length; 11-inch hands
That my friends is what a LT needs...long arms and freakin man hands!
That my friends is what a LT needs...long arms and freakin man hands!
How was his time in the cone drill?
It seems to me all the faults they list for Sherrod are teachable and correctable. I just hope it's Tauscher doing the teaching and not Campen.
Anyone notice this guy is a California guy? Thompson loves California boys.
Chula Vista is more like Mexico than California.
Don't knock the shermanator...he coached the #2 kid taken in the draft. I see some are whining about Sherrod only 23 reps at 225. That is pretty damn good for a dude with arms that long.quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
How was his time in the cone drill?
chula vista is in the dells dum dums
Different kind of water park in Chula Vista West.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
Anyone notice this guy is a California guy? Thompson loves California boys.
Yes, hopefully he's not a bust like Rodgers and Clay
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Looks like my sources were correct.
Steve is incredibly accurate isn't he ?
I'm not going to divulge who my sources are, but again, like last year and the year before, they came though with accurate information.
For day 2 all I keep hearing is defense, defense, defense. Ted likes what he sees on that side of the ball and will make a move to bolster one of the best defenses in football. The only way he would move from that plan is if the right offensive player were to drop, which could happen. What I'm hearing is that Ted is confident a player will be there when he picks.
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For day 2 all I keep hearing is defense, defense, defense. Ted likes what he sees on that side of the ball and will make a move to bolster one of the best defenses in football. The only way he would move from that plan is if the right offensive player were to drop, which could happen. What I'm hearing is that Ted is confident a player will be there when he picks.
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Too late. 13 seconds I will never get back again.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
It will be interesting to see where they put him because I'm of the opinion he would be a really good fit at RT. My hunch is that, if they think he's ready to play immediately, they will stick Sherrod at RT and move Bulaga to LG and back-up LT. I don't see Sherrod playing OG really...he has the size to play there, but never showed the strength in my opinion. Either way, our Oline just got a really solid addition.
I like the pick too. Protect the franchise.
Interesting take. It would be fine with me if he forces his way into the lineup as a rookie, but right now I'm more enamored of the idea of putting Sherrod @ LT behind Clifton and letting him develop there.
Clifton practiced more last year than he did in prior years, but there still are going to be full practice days where Sherrod could work with the 1st unit OL and get comfortable.
Now that Bulaga's already been moved to RT, given some of his physical limitations (such as arm length) I would just as soon leave him there. While I think Bulaga could play either position on the left side of the line, IMO he's a better fit at RT than Sherrod is.
I think we have enough talent already on the roster to have a pretty solid competition @ LG (where I would like to see Lang win the job) regardless of whether Colledge returns or another OL prospect is brought in later.
It'll be fun to watch how it shakes out in TC (whenever that is).
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
Chula Vista is more like Mexico than California.
Chulajuana..
I loved these quotes from him:
âIâm definitely looking forward to meeting Aaron Rodgers. Iâm basically there to protect him. Thatâs what I do â I go in and work hard and make sure that nobody hits the quarterback."
âI donât give up sacks, I take pride in not letting anybody even touch my quarterback (or) get near my quarterback.â
âIâm definitely looking forward to meeting Aaron Rodgers. Iâm basically there to protect him. Thatâs what I do â I go in and work hard and make sure that nobody hits the quarterback."
âI donât give up sacks, I take pride in not letting anybody even touch my quarterback (or) get near my quarterback.â
Anyone know if Sherrod is penalty prone? I no google is my frend but eye'm two layzee
quote:Originally posted by Bullseye:
It doesn't say anything about his "pad level"
quote:Masterful. Ted Thompsonâs selection of Derek Sherrod reminds one of Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, confidently removing Excalibur from the mythical stone. And in doing so, Thompson has chosen another solid stone in the foundation of this Packer team and their inevitable legacy of greatness. Like a true king, Thompson is building a dynasty the likes of which havenât been seen since May of 1989 ended the adventures of the Carrington oil barons. At this point, Thompson is nimbly dancing around other GMs, evoking the late Rudolf Nureyev performing Les Sylphides for the royal family. Like royalty, Thompson proves time and again that he is a true king among NFL front offices and that his drafts are as flawless and breathtaking as the mythical unicorn.
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:quote:HopefullyCampenCliftonTauscher can coach him up.
FTFY
I gotta think there isn't one Packer fan that wouldn't love to see Tauscher in a coaching role.
He definitely had a lot to do with Bulaga's development this past year. Imagine that, a veteran who knows his best days are behind him that's willing to take a young prospect under his wing and show him the ropes.
Meanwhile TLC lives
Meanwhile TLC lives
quote:DAQUAN BOWERS! TED THOMPSON you idiot.
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If I don't show up to work tomorrow you know why. (@#& ted Thompson
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i think this might be another Justin Harrell-like pick...Ted Thompson, you shouldve drafted a good player...
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YOU SUCK TED THOMPSON!
quote:Originally posted by BufordT:
I loved these quotes from him:
âIâm definitely looking forward to meeting Aaron Rodgers. Iâm basically there to protect him. Thatâs what I do â I go in and work hard and make sure that nobody hits the quarterback."
âI donât give up sacks, I take pride in not letting anybody even touch my quarterback (or) get near my quarterback.â
Yeah, these quotes make me even more excited to get this guy. Sounds like a good one.
I know that the draft is a crapshoot and some guys just bust. But based upon what I have read and seen, I would be shocked if Sherrod doesn't turn into a solid pro. This kid seems like the farthest thing from a "gamble."
On a scale of 1-to-7 (7 being Elite NFL prospect) here are the OT's per Optimum Scouting's ratings:
6.6 - Derrick Sherrod
6.6 - Tyron Smith
6.4 - Gabe Carimi
6.4 - Anthony Castonzo
6.3 - Ben Ijalana
6.2 - Nate Solder
6.0 - Jason Pinkston
On Sherrod, "he could be a devastating zone blocker...has the potential to max out as a top flight left tackle because he moves so well...could be especially successful in a zone blocking system...he explodes and stays low off the snap...a great understanding of the game of football...he's aware of the play and has a great understanding of the pocket and where the quarterback is."
Love this pick. Was nervous that they might pick a guy like Ayers instead
6.6 - Derrick Sherrod
6.6 - Tyron Smith
6.4 - Gabe Carimi
6.4 - Anthony Castonzo
6.3 - Ben Ijalana
6.2 - Nate Solder
6.0 - Jason Pinkston
On Sherrod, "he could be a devastating zone blocker...has the potential to max out as a top flight left tackle because he moves so well...could be especially successful in a zone blocking system...he explodes and stays low off the snap...a great understanding of the game of football...he's aware of the play and has a great understanding of the pocket and where the quarterback is."
Love this pick. Was nervous that they might pick a guy like Ayers instead
quote:Originally posted by Rusty:quote:Masterful. Ted Thompsonâs selection of Derek Sherrod reminds one of Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, confidently removing Excalibur from the mythical stone. And in doing so, Thompson has chosen another solid stone in the foundation of this Packer team and their inevitable legacy of greatness. Like a true king, Thompson is building a dynasty the likes of which havenât been seen since May of 1989 ended the adventures of the Carrington oil barons. At this point, Thompson is nimbly dancing around other GMs, evoking the late Rudolf Nureyev performing Les Sylphides for the royal family. Like royalty, Thompson proves time and again that he is a true king among NFL front offices and that his drafts are as flawless and breathtaking as the mythical unicorn.
Unicorns aren't mythical creatures, dum dum. I'm petting one as we speak.
I love the "I don't give up sacks" quote
That's really all it comes down to if you are a left tackle on this team. I could give a **** if the guy foams at the mouth or reads Shakespeare in his leisure as long as he protects Rodgers.
That's really all it comes down to if you are a left tackle on this team. I could give a **** if the guy foams at the mouth or reads Shakespeare in his leisure as long as he protects Rodgers.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
Unicorns aren't mythical creatures, dum dum. I'm petting one as we speak.
You nicknamed your own junk "Unicorn"?
The more I read, the less I understand how Sherrod lasted until #32.
QB desperation and a few other reaches.
quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
35 3/8-inch arm length; 11-inch hands
That my friends is what a LT needs...long arms and freakin man hands!
Arm length and man hands aside, how's his hair? I only ask cause I know Blair is gonna ask. We talking corn rolls, jerry curl, man fro?
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