I mean hindsight is always 20/20 but he was exactly the roll of the dice we knew he was - very athletic but lacked strength and attitude of a OT. It was a high risk, high reward and turned up snake eyes. Could have been worse, we could have drafted Germain Ifedi at #31 to be a starter
Re-reading page 1, I don’t know if I should laugh or cry.
Recall Datone Jones being a pretty good pick as well. Just another example of why instant draft analysis (by fans and so-called experts) is basically meaningless.
I don't want to hate on the man, but it's too easy to hate on the player.
It's been a long time coming, and is at least a year late, but I'm so glad it's done.
Maybe Janis Tire & Auto is hiring?
Grave Digger posted:LOVE this pick! This guy has the raw skills to be a franchise Left Tackle.
From Page 1.
How about you suspend yourself for a day or two? 
Henry posted:Yeah, I can't see them projecting him anywhere but LT with his skillset. He's finesse. I hope he is Cliffy 2.0
Cliff Claven?
Hungry5 posted:Agreed. Very nice pick. Big guys!
Go have a seat next to Digger.
CAPackfan posted:Great pick. Bak isn't a lock to be a long-term option at LT and as we saw this past year, they didn't have any legit 3rd Tackle option.
You should change your name in shame.
Wow. That was kind of a fun exercise! When you look at the 2016 draft for OL, it would have been a good year to choose almost any other position except perhaps late in the game. It wasn't just TT who swung and missed:
#6 -- Ronnie Stanley - Ravens. Serviceable, available, starter.
#8 -- Jack Conklin - Titans. Rookie season all-Pro; in 2017, tore ACL in playoff game; 2018 missed much of year while knee recovering then concussion, then another knee injury.
#13 -- Laramy Tunsil - Fins. Trashed his top 5 draft position when pictured wearing a mask enveloped in a cloud of weed; started as a rookie; very good upper-half of league LT.
#16 -- Taylor Decker - Loins. Started all 16 in first year; out 8 games in 2017 with shoulder surgery; shaky last year and seems to have gone downhill every year.
#18 -- Ryan Kelly - Colts. Out 13 games in past two years.
#28 -- Joshua Garnett - 9ers. Is on his last chance. Started 11 games as a rookie; missed 2017 with a knee; injured again last year in preseason and barely played; team declined his fifth-year option.
#31 -- Germain Ifedi - Seattle. Oh my. Missed first four games in 2016 with ankle; had 16 penalties called on him in 2017; last year had 11 penalties and allowed 6 sacks; will have to fend off Fant to keep his job; team declined fifth-year option.
And then there's Spriggs at 48. Even after Spriggs it was a good year to pick some other position: Nick Martin (#50, missed all 2016 with an ankle; started past two years); Cody Whitehair (#56, best of the bunch?); Max Tuerk (#66, never played in 2016; missed first four games of 2017 for banned substances and cut in Oct. 2017 by Chargers after reinstatement in October; picked up by Cards and played one game then cut after season; now looking for work); Shon Coleman (#76, Browns, drafted with knee injury; eventual backup in 2016; 2017 started all 16 as RT; start of last year traded to 9ers for seventh-round pick); Joe Thuney (#78, Pats; started all three years; very solid player); etc., etc.
Holy crap, Blair! CA, Hungry, Henry, GD... Nuked em!
... Finesse...
Never liked any of ‘em.
Blair Kiel posted:Grave Digger posted:LOVE this pick! This guy has the raw skills to be a franchise Left Tackle.
From Page 1.
How about you suspend yourself for a day or two?
Gaaaaaaaaawd ...take his belt and shoelaces somebody.
Blair Kiel posted:Henry posted:Yeah, I can't see them projecting him anywhere but LT with his skillset. He's finesse. I hope he is Cliffy 2.0
Cliff Claven?
Nobody likes you. Of course you had to find the one thread where you don't comment. Devious.
Trophies posted:
... Finesse...
New word for you?
Blair Kiel posted:Grave Digger posted:LOVE this pick! This guy has the raw skills to be a franchise Left Tackle.
From Page 1.
How about you suspend yourself for a day or two?
I stand by that opinion. We took a raw talented player at a position where we didn’t need him to start immediately. Nothing wrong with that. He did and does have the skills to be a franchise LT, doesn’t have the mental edge to be though.
Just bagging on you.
The only way to never be wrong on a pick is to be like me and never offer an opinion..
I still think you should take a day off for doubling down on an incorrect opinion.
Spriggs just found employment as one of the Charmin bears.
All I know is, I thought Johnny Manziel reminded me of Joe Montana when he was in college with some of the nice accurate throws he made on the run. That horrendous evalution is enough to disqualify me from ever critiquing someone's draft ever again.
Henry posted:Spriggs just found employment as one of the Charmin bears.
He just wanted to be tickled?
CUPackFan posted:I mean hindsight is always 20/20 but he was exactly the roll of the dice we knew he was - very athletic but lacked strength and attitude of a OT. It was a high risk, high reward and turned up snake eyes. Could have been worse, we could have drafted Germain Ifedi at #31 to be a starter
I just couldn't believe how poor his reaction time was. Was effectively beaten by every counter move.
fightphoe93 posted:All I know is, I thought Johnny Manziel reminded me of Joe Montana when he was in college with some of the nice accurate throws he made on the run. That horrendous evalution is enough to disqualify me from ever critiquing someone's draft ever again.
Talent is not enough. You can't have a franchise QB behaving like a 2 year old.
Blair Kiel posted:Hungry5 posted:Agreed. Very nice pick. Big guys!
Go have a seat next to Digger.
You are not nice.
Saw something about this last night - There were 4 or 5 OTs picked in 2016-Rd1. The next 5 or 6 OTs picked that draft are all out of the league now.
Let's face it, 2016 was just a bad year all around.
Dr._Bob posted:Let's face it, 2016 was just a bad year all around.
For OL yes. As a Packer draft, actually no.
"Still, it was an otherwise strong draft with Kenny Clark, Kyler Fackrell, Blake Martinez, Dean Lowry and Trevor Davis. You can't hit on em all"
Grave Digger posted:Blair Kiel posted:Grave Digger posted:LOVE this pick! This guy has the raw skills to be a franchise Left Tackle.
From Page 1.
How about you suspend yourself for a day or two?
I stand by that opinion. We took a raw talented player at a position where we didn’t need him to start immediately. Nothing wrong with that. He did and does have the skills to be a franchise LT, doesn’t have the mental edge to be though.
LOL... Of course you do. You and my wife, neither have been wrong about a damn thing in their entire life.
Yes dear, you're right again.
Henry posted:Spriggs just found employment as one of the Charmin bears.
Just based on how Spriggs "looks" body-wise, and that he's a T, I have little doubt other teams will at least kick the tires on him, including the Browns, Hag's, or even the Vikings. Someone's ego will believe Spriggs can be re-trained/taught.
Hell, look at Alan Barbre and Marshall Newhouse. Both had really long careers in the NFL. Ya, they we're more competent then Spriggs was, but I remember how fans here wanted them both the hell out of here too based on their turnstile play
BrainDed posted:Grave Digger posted:Blair Kiel posted:Grave Digger posted:LOVE this pick! This guy has the raw skills to be a franchise Left Tackle.
From Page 1.
How about you suspend yourself for a day or two?
I stand by that opinion. We took a raw talented player at a position where we didn’t need him to start immediately. Nothing wrong with that. He did and does have the skills to be a franchise LT, doesn’t have the mental edge to be though.
LOL... Of course you do. You and my wife, neither have been wrong about a damn thing in their entire life.
Yes dear, you're right again.
LOL as well. I KNEW he would figure out a way to justify his comment rather than just admitting it was a RONG take…
YATittle posted:Yeah the scouts I read that were negative on him didn't like the way he finished. Hopefully coaching from both the vets on the team and Campen can help him improve.
Missed this one Blair
packerboi posted:Holy f*ck...
Andy Herman @SconnieSports
4th & 1 and this is all sorts of ugly. Where are you going Jason Spriggs?!
4th & 1 and this is all sorts of ugly.
— Andy Herman (@SconnieSports) November 23, 2017
Where are you going Jason Spriggs?! pic.twitter.com/wkrxgVev9r
Funny
Hungry5 posted:Blair Kiel posted:Hungry5 posted:Agreed. Very nice pick. Big guys!
Go have a seat next to Digger.
You are not nice.
Saw something about this last night - There were 4 or 5 OTs picked in 2016-Rd1. The next 5 or 6 OTs picked that draft are all out of the league now.
Check a little higher in this thread for my earlier post and you'll see just how bad the 2016 draft was for O-linemen. It would have been better to pick almost any other position...
So should we just merge this thread with the Mandarich thread?
They obviously didn't watch the thousands of hours of tape.