Mets win, 8-4. Brewers need to win the next two games to stay alive.
Jesse f‘ing Winker of all people helped bury the crew tonight. Asshole had Bauer-like numbers while playing for Milwaukee.
it all went downhill after Joel fucking Payamps came in
that botched play at first ignited that big inning
93 wins then you face elimination after the first day of post season.
It’s not just that they are 1-9, but of those 10 games how many were home at Miller Park?
Maybe the baseball gods just don’t like the Brewers.
Do or die time now. It’s why the 2 seed and a bye is so much more important. Best of 3 series are so stupid. You have one bad or fluky game and it’s probably lights out.
@lambeausouth posted:Rodgers was 12-10 in the playoffs as Packers starter, and won a Super Bowl in a game he was the MVP. The Packer defense gave up 35 PPG in his playoff losses.
The Brewers are 1-8 in their last nine playoff games going back to 2019, and have zero championships in their first fifty-four years,
Not a good comparison.
Agree with Lambeausouth. Long post, but very frustrated with the Brewers approach the last 3-4 years.
The Brewers have won 3 playoff series in their 55 seasons and been in the World Series once. Comparing them to the Packers is not a good comp. The other in-state comparison is the Bucks (the polar opposite of the Brewers).
The big thing is that except for 2020, the Packers actually tried to optimize their chances to win a title that year (without some Daniel Snyder-level free agent frenzy). In 2020, they gave up their 1st and 4th round picks to get Love (which I was Ok with) but then combined that with using their 2nd and 3rd round picks on a 3rd string RB and a backup TE that every draft analysis thought was a massive reach. Other than that, they made moves every year to help them win that year.
For the most part, the Brewers have made moves the last 6 years that reduce their chances of winning that year every year. The last time they went all out to win was 2018-19. In 2018, they went out and got Lorenzo Cain in free agency and traded some high-level prospects for Yelich (Brinson ended up bombing out). When they ended up being a contender, they went and traded for Moustaukas at the deadline in 2018. They extended Yelich in 2019. Not coincidentally, their best chance to win a World Series was in 2018.
They've really signed no star free agent since then and the Hader and Burnes trades significantly reduced their chances of winning in 2022 and 2024. The Hader trade looks better only because the A's somehow inexplicably wanted Esteury Ruiz (who has been terrible at the big league level) instead of Contreras and looped the Brewers into the Braves trade. Trading one of the best relievers of this century in the middle of pennant race when you are leading the division for two guys that you were going to cut after the year anyway (Lamet and Rogers), Ruiz, and Gasser was an all-time disaster. Maybe Gasser ends up being really good - but that would be 3 years later. The Burnes trade wasn't as bad, but they still gave up a full year of a top 5 pitcher for a mildly above average 3B (Ortiz) and a pitcher (DL Hall) who didn't help them at all was certainly questionable. Burnes opened the post-season today by going 8 innings and giving up 1 run. The Orioles got shut out, so he lost, but I'd have much rather had him for this year and a chance to do something in the playoffs than have Ortiz and Hall (one of whom may be really good in 2 years). Instead, the Brewers started Peralta today. He's not terrible, but he's a #3 starter on a team with the type of pitching staff that wins in the post-season (like he was the last few years with Woodruff and Burnes).
This year, even after it was clear they were strong contenders, they did the minimum at the trade deadline. They traded for some mid-level starters in Civale and Montas and did NOTHING to help out an offense that needed something extra after losing Yelich. Instead, we get Bauers as the starting DH in a playoff game.
Give the Brewers enormous credit for locking up Chourio for 8 years. He's going to be a superstar. But when you know you are losing Adames after this year and have a chance to make some noise in the playoffs and you do nothing at the deadline? That just says the Brewers are satisfied to try to win 85-90 games every year. They are trying to be good every year without risking being really terrible in 2-3 years instead of trying to actually win a title. Mark A. said it - they want as many nibbles at the apple as possible. That's all they ever get - nibbles.
The Bucks are the opposite, for better or worse. They don't sit around and worry about how good they are going to be in 2028. They make moves to try to win - and they did in 2021. Maybe they'll be terrible in 2028-20, but the goal is to win titles, not be consistently better than mediocre. I'd take a title (or at least a World Series run) and some down years instead of 3 playoff games (at best) 75% of the time.
Who knows if they beat the Mets in game 1 with Burnes but let’s be honest - we know how up and down Peralta can be and in a short series I’m pretty sure you’d much rather have Burnes.
I'm disappointed but not surprised the crew lost. It's their MO to come up small in the playoffs/big games. Maybe they should to change their names to the Milwaukee Nibblers. LOL
I am done with Peralta, Bauers and Monasterio. They can send those guys packing as far as I am concerned.
Bauers and Monasterio are guys I am not comfortable with, at all. Peralta is good, once in a while. Last night he was good in the 1st inning. Then the 2nd inning came along and he was almost as bad as he has ever been. Our relief pitchers, in Payamps and Ashby, showed us nothing and paved the way for a Brewers' defeat. We had better be on the lookout for some bullpen help. I think this season is over. Chourio, Turang, Contreras and Adames(until he went cold) gave us something to look forward to on game day. I hope we can find a way to keep Adames, next year, or if he goes, we at least get some kind of deal made that really helps the Brewers.
I think Murphy went to CC mode with Freddy and pulled him too early. Not sure why he pulled him. He had the horrible 2nd inning, but had retired 9 in a row at the end of the 4th and was only at 68 pitches. He's your #1 starter in the playoffs and had straightened things out after Winker's triple. Hindsight is easy, but Freddy vs the Payamps/Ashby combo was a no-brainer.
I'll disagree with this. Payamps had been great in September. Chourio made a great play on the drive to left by Marte but then misplayed the ball hit by Taylor. That should have been the 2nd out and the fly by Alverez would be the 3rd out. Then Payamps failed to cover 1st base the inning and that also extended the inning. That was his failure, not his pitching. What should have been 4 outs but wasn't led to 5 runs.
Regardless of how you look at it, it was an implosion they could not recover from.
It's win tonight or go home losers time.
Game starts at 6:30 CT and is on ESPN.
Frankie Montas pitching for the Crew vs Sean Manaea
Gamecast calls it fairly even with a 52.6% chance Milwaukee wins.
I can see where Payamps should have had a better fate, but he should have been pitching in the 6th or 7th, not the 5th inning. Still don't think Murphy should have pulled Peralta as soon as he did.
I think it says volumes that Frankie Montas is our starting pitcher in a do or die game.
He’s got a 5.70 ERA in his last seven starts. That he’s the best we can put out there in our second playoff game is just depressing.
Royals eliminate the Orioles in their WC matchup, 2-1.
Jesus Christ, they switch over to the Brewers game on ESPN, and we’re already losing.
6-4-3 Double play ends the inning Mets lead 1-0.
CHOURIO WITH THE OPPOSITE FIELD BOMB!!!!
Another Brewers pitcher blows a play you practice in spring training
Error on Montas catching the ball at first, and now former Brewer Tyrone Taylor is up.
And of course Taylor singled, and now it’s first and third with one out.
Alvarez with the RBI single. 2-1 Mets, and first and third.
Here comes the meltdown.
Errors, this series, really costing the Brewers. 3-1 Mets. And the errors have mostly been on Brewer's pitchers.
If your pitchers can’t cover first you don’t deserve to win. You could almost sense the team thinking “here we go again” after the Montas error.
Down 3-1 after a jam job single and a sac fly.
Second and third now after a hard single.
The wheels are coming off.
Another Brewers playoff meltdown. Wish I could say I am surprised.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:If your pitchers can’t cover first you don’t deserve to win. You could almost sense the team thinking “here we go again” after the Montas error.
Down 3-1 after a jam job single and a sac fly.
I was thinking it, too.
@lambeausouth posted:I think it says volumes that Frankie Montas is our starting pitcher in a do or die game.
He’s got a 5.70 ERA in his last seven starts. That he’s the best we can put out there in our second playoff game is just depressing.
I don’t get this. Myers is the 2nd best starter (if not the best) and Civale had been really good his last 10 starts. I didn’t think Montas would be on the roster for this round.
One player after another in the Brewers lineup with a sub 100 OPS+ is incredibly frustrating.
We’re seeing the results of parity right now.
The Mets have a $305 million payroll.
The Brewers $105.8 million, and $26 million is in Christian Yelich, who is out for the season.
We’re effectively seeing a Mets team with four times the payroll of the Brewers. This is baseball in the year 2024, and it sucks for small market team fans.
They might end this series without pitching Myers, Megill, Ross, or Williams.
Gary Sanchez 93 OPS+
Rhys Hoskins 98 OPS+
Brice Turang 85 OPS+
Blake Perkins 81 OPS+
Sal Frekick 83 OPS+
and
Joey Ortiz 101 OPS+
Ortiz is a rat hair better than league average where park adjusted OPS is concerned, and five of our nine hitters are below league average.
You can’t win a World Series with this lineup.
