Stay classy Chicago

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
As long as the salesman gives me the right deal, I could give a crap what he is wearing.

Exactly. Anything else is a load of horse****.

You are one potential customer out of 5 million. Not everyone thinks like you. Its really simple business, your uniform should not risk any potential profits.

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Originally posted by Henry:
No, you are a moron. wore a McDonalds tie to their Burger King asst. manager job but this isn't the case... Yes, you really are a flippin' moron.

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1) Blatant personal attacks on other members

Care to comment, Rusty?

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Originally posted by GusBob:
So you can wear the tie one day but not the next? Does not compute

I think it does. The Packers--the Bears' most bitter rival--just knocked the Bears from the playoffs and you show up for work the next day at a Bears' sponsored, Chicago-area car dealership in Packers' garb? Not smart.

Not everything should require "policies and procedures" legislation. I'd like to think common sense would kick-in at some point.

B-N-D

Just a personal comment or two:

Yeah, right, I'd be really worried about what the owner, general manager, or anybody else that works at a car dealership thinks. Talk about scumbags with little to no ethics. All that joker was doing was making his own assumptions. Being professionally dressed and ready to serve your customers is all that would matter to me. Would you really want a customer who wouldn't buy because of how a person is dressed? I thought we were in the new millenium!

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Originally posted by BrainDed:



Its about respecting your employer. It matters not if YOU think the tie might affect a sale or be offensive, it only matters what the CUSTOMER might think.

If you owned a bar in WI, would you allow your employees to wear Bear shirts? I sure hope not, that might have an affect on sales, right?

I dont care how small the risk is, form the employers point of view, its not worth risking revenue so you can fly your team colors. Welcome to the work force, your no longer daddies special little Prince anymore. It's not all about you, now lose the ****ing tie and make your new daddy some money.

You actually believe everyone in the Chicago area is a sports fan or is more concerned about some guy's tie than the deal they can get on one of the larger purchases a person can make in their lifetime? Really?

Get some context Milton Friedman and do us all a favor and shut your yap. You want to worship the dollar over the individual you go right ahead. Most people, even Bears fans, aren't as completely idiotic as you are. Stooge.

Yes.. if i owned a business, I would want that customer.

LOYALTY.

If its important enough to fire someone over, it should be in the office policy

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You actually believe everyone in the Chicago area

Where did I say that? I know you have better reading comprehension than this so i will pass it off as your too emotionally invested in this for some reason.

ONE POTENTIAL SALE risked is not worth it.

It may even lead to one sale.. But it may also detract from two. As a business owner, its simply not worth risking my profits so my low level employee can sport his team tie.

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Originally posted by BearNDesert:

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Originally posted by GusBob:
So you can wear the tie one day but not the next? Does not compute

I think it does. The Packers--the Bears' most bitter rival--just knocked the Bears from the playoffs and you show up for work the next day at a Bears' sponsored, Chicago-area car dealership in Packers' garb? Not smart.

Not everything should require "policies and procedures" legislation. I'd like to think common sense would kick-in at some point.

B-N-D

Packer tie guy gets you a great deal and I bet your ass you're best buds walking out of the dealership. And you're talking about common sense? Sorry, the old farmer in me says I don't give a flip if you're a gay, communist dominatrix, you treat me square and I'm good with that.

If people are really getting bent out of shape of a guy wearing a Packer tie then, to quote Dan Barreiro, we truly are done as a society. My God people it is only a freggin football game.

Butthurt Bears fan guy should just have gone up to him that day and been like "DUDE, you're killing me!" and then struck up a good conversation. He probably could have gotten a sweet deal on a car too.

I can see an employer placing expectations on how someone should dress. If he felt the tie was bad for business, he can ask an employee to take the tie off. Nothing wrong and no personal freedoms violated.

He should have explained to the man to take the tie off or go home because that is his (the boss's) expectation. If he refused, he could terminate the employee for insubordination. That would be weak and he'd look like a fool, but he probably would get a couple people in to buy a pickup just like he'd alienate some Packer fan in the burbs.

Firing him over the tie, and saying as much, that is stupid.

But you are only one potential customer, Henry. Take a look around here, not everyone thinks like you. It would be ludicrous to base uniform requirements solely on one opinion that assumes people in general are NOT sheep. We know damn well people make important choices based on things that are not relevant to the choice being made

Remain neutral, offend no customer. If the employee cant grasp that, he wouldn't work a sales job for me.

If the boss says take it off, you take it off.

He signs the paychecks.

He has the right to run the business as he sees fit, no matter how silly it is.

Has anyone been allowed to wear Bear garb before there? Another question that needs to be found out.

There was probably some idiocy on both sides. Had the boss taken the employee aside and calmly explained the situation ("I understand you're a Packers' fan--not that there's anything wrong with that." ), I can't imagine there would have been a problem. Who knows? Maybe I've just been lucky enough to work with sensible employees.

B-N-D

yes (to TD). dum question (to TD)

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Originally posted by BrainDed:
But it may also detract from two. As a business owner, its simply not worth risking my profits so my low level employee can sport his team tie.

Yes, the tie vs. "one sale". The "one sale" vs. a tolerant work environment/work culture. Bet the tie is a conversation starter and would do more to fuel exchange, which would lead to sales if the guy is any kind of salesman.

What other things risk the "ONE POTENTIAL SALE"? The fact you ate broccoli at lunch and accidentally crop dusted the customers? The fact you look too "salesmen" like? Don't be stupid. There are a million factors out there and saying one tie on a salesman is somehow a "risk" is moronic.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
If the boss says take it off, you take it off.

He signs the paychecks.

He has the right to run the business as he sees fit, no matter how silly it is.

Yeah, the law says otherwise.

no, it doesn't Hank. Employers can place expectations on how workers dress. Asking a man not to wear a Packer tie is not an infringement on personal freedoms.

Yes it does. It's called retaliatory discipline. If it wasn't in the employee handbook or stated otherwise, it's against the law. Even in "at will" states.

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vs. a tolerant work environment/work culture

Hahahah.. Were not talking about his right to worship. Save the over the top dramatic statements.

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Bet the tie is a conversation starter and would do more to fuel exchange,

Thats a fair argument. But I would counter by saying.. starting with a negative, is not a good way to build a rapport.

So it's a guaranteed negative to every customer that walks in the door? What about Packers fans that live in the area? Don't want to endanger their potential sale. You know, RISK ONE SALE.

BTW, you think religion is the only reason for a tolerant work environment? Let me change "tolerant" to "positive".

I already addressed that..

So, the rest of the workers were "neutral". You mean doing a sponsorship with the Bears is neutral?

So one set of rules for one guy and another for others? Got it.

The simple point is the whole thing is stupid. What's more stupid? The guy wearing a tie or the whole drama and firing the guy because of a ****ing tie? If you chose the business crying about a tie, don't say anything to me about common sense ever again.

I think the conflict here is that those defending the guy wish we lived in a society where this type of sh1t didnt matter.

My point of view is that some people are morons and make choices based on things that should not be relevant to the decision. Knowing this, i would try to guard against it as a business owner to ensure I maximize revenue.

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Originally posted by Henry:
The simple point is the whole thing is stupid. What's more stupid? The guy wearing a tie or the whole drama and firing the guy because of a ****ing tie? If you chose the business crying about a tie, don't say anything to me about common sense ever again.

The are both bufoons. I think the manager is the biggest fool for not knowing how to do his job properly.

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Originally posted by Henry:
Yes it does. It's called retaliatory discipline. If it wasn't in the employee handbook or stated otherwise, it's against the law. Even in "at will" states.

we're talking about two different things, I apologize. Getting fired for the tie is wrong, completely wrong and stupid use of judgement. The employee could take the employer to town for that, I agree.

I was arguing that the employer can ask the employee to take the tie off if he feels it is bad for business. Employers can ask people to represent the company how they feel, whether it is blue shirt and khaki pants at Best Buy or the uniform for McDonalds (those businesses have the foresight to put those expectations in their contracts, that helps the litigation later.)

I think the employer was in the right to be able to ask the employee to remove the tie, he went fubar after that.

Go packers!

I'm wondering exactly what the boss means by a "Bears sponsorship". It sure seems to me that if I owned a car dealership in Green Bay that was sponsored by the Packers, I'd DAMN sure have that in BIG LETTERS on my website.

At the dealership in question... not a word.

Webb Chevrolet Oak Lawn

Make sure you put that in diary tonight.

Anybody stop to think that the Packer tie was just an excuse to fire the black guy?

B-N-D

During the 90's, I worked for an independent Goodyear dealer in NOrthern Metro Atlanta. We had a dress code (slacks and collared shirts) or the company would provide your uniform.
There were times when we would have a Saturday playoff game, and I would wear full battle uniform, hang the flag in the showroom, bring my helmet and cheesehead and set them up on the counters...and we had great fun with it.
This was in the heart of Falcons country; as matter of fact, we had several players that would bring their cars in on occassion. There was a Saturday when there were a couple of players there, and my manager made me come up front so they could see me...and it was funny. We had some laughs and plenty of good-natured ribbing.
There's no reason that can't happen with any business.

Maybe he was an ass hole. I don't know, I don't care.

I'm more irritated by the rush to defend a institution that doesn't need any help in defending itself versus the individual.

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Originally posted by BearNDesert:

I think it does. The Packers--the Bears' most bitter rival--just knocked the Bears from the playoffs and you show up for work the next day at a Bears' sponsored, Chicago-area car dealership in Packers' garb? Not smart.

Not everything should require "policies and procedures" legislation. I'd like to think common sense would kick-in at some point.

B-N-D

THIS.

The key phrase is "Bears-sponsored", so the employer had a right to act as he did (no matter how trivial it may seen). Plus, the employer asked his employee to remove the tie (more than once). If it's the policy of the dealership to not wear any paraphernalia of a rival team, you can't argue with it, IMO.

Is there anyone here from around Chicago that has actually seen a "Bear Sponsorship" for this place?

This story is already too big... but I'm wondering if there's any truth to that statement at all. Again... no mention of it on their website...

Remember... This is CHG where people are assaulted for sporting jerseys every Sunday.

BIG surprise Mike Wilbon defending the dealership. More butthurt

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Originally posted by Henry:
Yes it does. It's called retaliatory discipline. If it wasn't in the employee handbook or stated otherwise, it's against the law. Even in "at will" states.

Henry, the way I read it he wasn't fired for wearing the tie, he was fired for insubordination.

I would assume the employee handbook says something about proper work attire. If the boss felt that tie was improper and the employee was notified of such, and asked the employee to remove it several times and the employee refused....sounds like insubordination to me.


Still, it sounds like there was more of a beef between these two that that for the boss to go to the extent he did.