Sterling Brown

I hope he becomes part of the solution and does some good. Both Brown and Henson have had some stupid crap like this happen. And Giannis can’t get a table at some restaurant after the playoff win... Milwaukee is doing itself no favors with this stupid ****...

How is it stupid crap with Sterling Brown?  He should have been issued a ticket but JFC what happened was inexcusable and indefensible.  Maybe I am misreading your comments and if so I apologize but this really pisses me off. 

Milwaukee is my hometown but they are living up to their reputation as one of the most segregated and racist cities in the country. If it were me I’d clean house in the MPD. 

You think any minority athlete would want to come to Cream City after this nonsense?  

Not sure how my post could be misconstrued... this **** is stupid, and it shouldn’t have happened. The city of Milwaukee doesn’t need this kind of bull****- there are a lot of positive things happening, especially with the very well publicly funded entertainment complex under construction. 

Again, I hope Brown takes this and does some  good with it. It’s a crap thing... but you can take a crap thing and be a shining light of forgiveness in the community. A couple overzealous cops shouldn’t make the entire MPD a public enemy. Brown can honor those men and women in uniform by making it about awareness and pulling the community together. By bridging the gap. Everywhere hate or anger is responded to with hate or anger things just get worse. We don’t need worse...

Wouldn't dream of parking sideway across two handicap spots. Did once in my teens at 2 in the morning in an empty parking lot.

But I do agree that the guys responsible for the combative behavior should lose their jobs. Those kinds of assholes should not be cops, and there’s only one level of accountability that’s justified. My tax dollars are not to be spent on that bull****...

If a cop asks/demands I take my hands out of my pockets.....I comply.

Not that a cop was ever shot by somebody who had a gun in his pocket.

Parking in a handi-capped spot is a douche move. I don't feel too bad for what happened to him after that.

Nah dude... he was standing there, the guy was up in his ****... cops don’t have any right to be that combative. They should be never feel entitled to behave that way. 

But people gotta remember there are some bad dudes out there, and cops see them every day. And they all wanna look innocent until the pull a gun out of their pants and  a cop gets killed. I get it.

I just don’t think escalating tension is what a cop should be doing. These guys need to learn how to diffuse tension- you can save a lot more lives that way. 

I see both sides.

I still think any able-bodied person who parks in a handi-capped spot deserves to get the schyt knocked out of him.

Pet peeve.

I actually have an app that reports those SOB's.

Yeah, I'm biased that way.

2am in an empty parking lot.

Ticket on the windshield and drive away. 

What happened never needed to happen. 

Or maybe a car parked across two handi-capped spots (closest spots to the front door) at 2:00 a.m. might appear suspicious?

Not that anybody ever robs a pharmacy.

Or shoots a cop.

Profile much?

How so?

If the cops see the car parked across two handi-capped spots, and a black guy walks to the car, they can't confront him because....he's black?

30 seconds into that conversation should have determined he shouldn’t have parked there and that should have been that. Citation. Drive safe. 

Everyone’s temp is different now. Going to be more of it. 

Agree.

Not a good time to be a cop. Not a good time to be a black male out and about.

Both groups are culpable for the way things are right now.

Just like what happened there.

Not a good time to be black. Not a good time to be poor. Not a good time to be a kid in school. Not a good time to be middle class. Not a good time to think the country might find common ground. Not a good time to think things are improving. Not a good time. 

Agree.  It'll take a good civil conversation on all fronts and everyone understanding ALL sides of the issues before things will get better.

Someone has to take the lead on these conversations. Any suggestions? 

Well, to be honest.....Barack Obama. 

He was the leader that was going to bring the races together.  He stated he wanted to have "a conversation" about race relations in America.  Unfortunately, he really didn't want a conversation that included ALL viewpoints and positions.  That's why we are where we are today.

He could use his NetFlix position to bring about a "true" conversation of why there is so much more tension among the races (not just black/white either) today than there was 9 years ago. 

So,  what can be done now to undo the damage?   Jobs.  Strengthen the family unit.  Improve the inner city by empowering the community with getting people to own a business - providing jobs.  Government can help by providing help for affordable housing and funding infrastructure.   If President Obama could work with President Trump and Rham Emmanual and the Governor of Illinois, I do believe they could turn Chicago around.   That would spark a national call to improve the inner cities.

There is no easy answer.  But the current president is on the right track.   However,  many people will never know that because the dishonest media won't report about it because his success in leadership on this topic might make more minorities vote for him (Republicans)  and this is antithetical to the Democratic Party platform.

IMHO.

You have always come across as a well educated individual. 

Do you fully believe in Donald Trump? 

The 2 party system needs to go bye-bye.

The GOP has essentially disappeared. 

Blair Kiel posted:

Agree.

Not a good time to be a cop. Not a good time to be a black male out and about.

Both groups are culpable for the way things are right now.

This perspective is interesting. I think most reasonable folks think this way. I don’t think one should operate in fear of the other, but that’s kinda what we have now. Leadership on both sides needs to stop the political bs and get to the crux of the issue- cops face death every day, black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime, both sides profile each other and become political pawns, what the hell is to be done about it? 

The thing that shouldn’t be done about it is one politically vilifying the other. Sterling Brown can be a voice of reason, here. He can do some good. Don’t politicize it- do something positive. Or he can make things worse by following the media line and pushing the victim narrative... he was, and doing the right thing is sometimes doing the thing opposite of what your instincts tell you. 

ChilliJon posted:

Not a good time to be black. Not a good time to be poor. Not a good time to be a kid in school. Not a good time to be middle class. Not a good time to think the country might find common ground. Not a good time to think things are improving. Not a good time. 

The black unemployment rate is the lowest ever. There is more awareness of injustice in the black community than ever. More black people are in positions of wealth and power than ever. And more recently, black community leadership is promoting cultural change from within by giving strong, conservative leadership a greater voice in the direction of their communities. Considering the historical aspects of the lives of black folks in this country, I would say there isn’t a better time in the country's history to be black. 

Our country has the appearance of dysfunction and chaos because it is politically motivated to be promoted that way by certain political operatives. The news and main stream media are complicit with this. This is not to say there aren’t problems- there certainly are.

But ultimately the biggest problem we have right now is the truth- if we knew it, we would be able to have those “honest conversations “ everyone says they want to have. But how can we today? Reasonable folks WANT to have honest conversations. Partisan politics and the manipulation of facts and what’s really happening out there makes it all impossible. 

I have always felt that the best way to do improve relations in the cities is for community leaders and law enforcement to work together.  It’s a local issue that needs to be addressed and resolved locally.  Good old fashioned building relationships and that won’t happen coming out of DC.    The sad truth is people don’t trust anything or anyone affiliated with the federal government on either side of the aisle. Local politicians and leaders are much more accessible and accountable. 

Hungry5 posted:

The GOP has essentially disappeared. 

I agree with Boehner. It's the Trump Party now.

Tschmack posted:

 

I have always felt that the best way to do improve relations in the cities is for community leaders and law enforcement to work together.  It’s a local issue that needs to be addressed and resolved locally.  Good old fashioned building relationships and that won’t happen coming out of DC.    The sad truth is people don’t trust anything or anyone affiliated with the federal government on either side of the aisle. Local politicians and leaders are much more accessible and accountable. 

 

 

 

You sure nailed it.  It is a local issue that needs to pull together to figure things out.  Just my opinion on the DC politicians but they are not the people to get this fixed.  And sad but true that you are right no one trusts them and that probably why their approval ratings are so low.

YA, you are right the GOP is the Trump party now and I think BOTH parties are so unrecognizable to me because they have drifted so far off from what we knew them as. 

ChilliJon posted:

You have always come across as a well educated individual. 

Do you fully believe in Donald Trump? 

That is not the question for most Trump voters.  The question is:  Why did you vote for Donald Trump?

I think most didn't vote for the "person" Donald J. Trump.    We voted for him because we believe in the policy that:    someone...anyone....had to defeat the socialist globalist agenda that was forced upon the United States of America from the previous administration.   Even in Rhodes new book, the previous president admits his uber-liberal policies went too far.   Hence, the MAGA Revolution!

It just so happened that the person that was willing (because most Republican candidates are pussies) to take a stand on the dishonest media and call out the anti-American policies was Donald J. Trump.    Also, you really believe Hillary Clinton was going to be good for America?

Most Americans now know (although many of us knew for the last 30 years) that the media pushes a liberal progressive agenda and the Democrats use this slipstream to move further left.  Hence the reason most lifetime Democrats don't even recognize their own party anymore.  Heck, Bill Clinton would be Republican today!

And because of what the Democratic Party stands for now.....Trump will get re-elected in 2020.  Especially when the IG report comes out and pulls the green curtain away from the previous president's politicalization of the intelligence agencies.

We are entering a civil war in Amercia over politics.....and it will get ugly.  Just look at what some posters put into their posts here at TimesFour.   That is why I keep pushing the mods and Boris to delete ALL politcal posts and the little jabs within a post...not just conservative viewpoints.

Brainwashed Boris posted:

The 2 party system needs to go bye-bye.

and replace it with.....what?

BTW....the Starbucks Corporation completed their "cultural-racial bias" training this past week and had a good idea.   Teach others to be "color BRAVE".....not "color BLIND" when interacting with others

Speak human to human not white person to black person......or black person to hispanic person....or asian person to whomever.....recognize the "human" in all of us.   It makes sense.  This "Color Brave" movement can also speak human to human in other ways:

-  the "blue" community peace keeper to other humans in that community

- the "red" state voter to the "blue" state voter.

Color Brave isn't just about skin color.   It can be the catalyst that will ignite more conversation that is civil and understanding of ALL past sufferings, too.

100% independent - too many A-holes voting a certain way because "it's the party line" & "My party needs to win!"

It's stupid & it isn't what the founding fathers of this country intended.

FYI - I don't delete any political posts (but I know my fellow Admins do occasionally)

You need to hear both sides of the argument to make an educated decision with the information you have at the time. Sure, sometimes you make an incorrect decision, but hindsight is always 20-20. Learn from your mistakes & do better in the future without duplicating the same mistake over & over.

Every single vote needs to count. With the system we currently have in place, that isn't the case. Case in point, your vote for Trump meant nothing because you live in California.

I was disgusted with both candidates in 2016. Really? The greatest country on the planet & these 2 are the best we can do?!!? It needs to change & I don't know what the answer is but I know the system needs to change.

I actually think it’s a great opportunity for a true independent to rise to prominence and no that’s not DJT. 

Most Americans tend to lean right on fiscal policies and reside in the middle or lean slightly left on social policies.  Right now, neither party adopts those values.  The Dems are too arrogant and weak minded and the GOP has been hijacked by the tea party.  

Sometimes the best solution is “none of the above” 

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

ChilliJon posted:

You have always come across as a well educated individual. 

Do you fully believe in Donald Trump? 

That is not the question for most Trump voters.  The question is:  Why did you vote for Donald Trump?

I think most didn't vote for the "person" Donald J. Trump.    We voted for him because we believe in the policy that:    someone...anyone....had to defeat the socialist globalist agenda that was forced upon the United States of America from the previous administration.   Even in Rhodes new book, the previous president admits his uber-liberal policies went too far.   Hence, the MAGA Revolution!

It just so happened that the person that was willing (because most Republican candidates are pussies) to take a stand on the dishonest media and call out the anti-American policies was Donald J. Trump.    Also, you really believe Hillary Clinton was going to be good for America?

Most Americans now know (although many of us knew for the last 30 years) that the media pushes a liberal progressive agenda and the Democrats use this slipstream to move further left.  Hence the reason most lifetime Democrats don't even recognize their own party anymore.  Heck, Bill Clinton would be Republican today!

And because of what the Democratic Party stands for now.....Trump will get re-elected in 2020.  Especially when the IG report comes out and pulls the green curtain away from the previous president's politicalization of the intelligence agencies.

We are entering a civil war in Amercia over politics.....and it will get ugly.  Just look at what some posters put into their posts here at TimesFour.   That is why I keep pushing the mods and Boris to delete ALL politcal posts and the little jabs within a post...not just conservative viewpoints.

 

 

I agree on the civil war considering Obama was a moderate, but the right has moved so far right he looks like a Communist.

Sounds good but IMO will not work.  Right now with 2 parties with a pretty even count in the senate it is near impossible to get the one or two or five votes to come together on anything.  How does someone with literally no allies get anything near a majority to pass anything?

IMO the Hastert rule has to go in the house.  These folks are so terrified of being primaried that in their view no action or obstinence is the best course to take.  

Gerrymandering is also an impediment to modern governance.

While our over 200 year old governing documents provided a great base and starting point in the creation of a country things have changed, no founding father 

could have comprehended the changes we have gone thru.  One change makes sense to me, make the house4 year terms, the senate 8 and the pres 6.  That would give them a opulence ofyears be fore they had to hit the campaign trail, maybe giving honest hardworking folks time to work.

Change can be good....this ain't 1776.

YATittle posted:

I agree on the civil war considering Obama was a moderate, but the right has moved so far right he looks like a Communist.

President Obama was a moderate?    I just had never heard that before, YA.    Agree to Disagree I guess.

IMHO:  he was/is a far left liberal who drastically has taken the Democratic Party too far to the left.  A party now that has a hard time to be taken seriously in many policy positions.  That doesn't mean the Republican Party is any better as they have too any factions fighting for power now.

Give the Democratic Party some credit:  they stick together on their issues.  Very rarely will you see a Democrat cross-over during key votes on issues.

Citizens United - the greatest corrupter of our times.  Reverse that and it'll be a start.

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

YATittle posted:

I agree on the civil war considering Obama was a moderate, but the right has moved so far right he looks like a Communist.

President Obama was a moderate?    I just had never heard that before, YA.    Agree to Disagree I guess.

IMHO:  he was/is a far left liberal who drastically has taken the Democratic Party too far to the left.  A party now that has a hard time to be taken seriously in many policy positions.  That doesn't mean the Republican Party is any better as they have too any factions fighting for power now.

Give the Democratic Party some credit:  they stick together on their issues.  Very rarely will you see a Democrat cross-over during key votes on issues.

Dems HARDLY stick together. It is the Republicans who deserve props for not straying from the party line (Clinton tax increase of 5% back in 1993, Obamacare vote). And his constant reaching out to Republican leadership to be spurned and ridiculed didn't sit well with liberals. But if you listen to Fox and Breitbart, I can see why anyone would think he's the anti-Christ.

http://thehill.com/policy/fina...-republican-in-1980s

Brainwashed Boris posted:

I was disgusted with both candidates in 2016. 

Both parties should be ashamed of what they will tolerate.  The GOP should absolutely hold Trump accountable to his words and actions, they enable.  The Dems should... well the Dems should figure out what the hell they are (and being "out of touch" is not a good place to stay). 

And Betsy DeVos should be shot into outer space   

Well stated.