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The NBA has some work to do. A pandemic,  Political backlash, and general drops in event viewership opposite the most media covered Presidential election in history gave the NBA 51% fewer viewers to sell sponsor products to year over year. Adam Silver addressed the Political backlash- political messaging will need to be off the court in the shortened 72-game season. But even while the pandemic has states reporting further shutdowns, there’s still a season to salvage (again) and some bridges to mend.

And with the election mercifully in the rear view, folks may want to continue their journey back to normalcy by watching some Christmas Day hoops again. Depending on state restrictions, the NBA has already laid out guidelines to allow fans to attend games again in 2021. By the time the playoffs arrive, with the vaccine deployed for several months by then, the playoffs may once again be filled with raucous chants of “DEFENSE!!!” in a virtually full arena. Celebrity rows may be pushed back 15 feet from the bench (10 from the court), but I never thought it was smart to put people that close to the action anyway. The Bubble showed that players can play harder with more space around the court.

The Association certainly is aligning itself to other potential changes. There were rumors last year that some NBA officials were interested in realigning its season to a Christmas week opening and a July Finals, citing that early season viewership suffers when head to head with the mighty NFL and College Football juggernauts. The ratings surely bear that out- after a natural first week interest spike, the viewership quickly plummeted in favor of football as playoff brackets take shape and Conference Championships line up. This season then takes on the look of a sort of trial balloon in that regard. If the result is a sustained interest, this change could be permanent.

But there are other changes. The scheduling lessons of the bubble have given birth to a completely different way of looking at travel and it’s impact on quality of play. More back to backs with no travel now dot the current released schedule, and this may be a permanent fixture in regular seasons in the future. Finding ways to keep players fresher and less susceptible to injury by limiting travel certainly lends itself to a better product on the floor- a very loud lesson from the Bubble. The Association can also look to a reduced regular season, knowing that teams no longer play star players anyway for all 82 games.

There are playoff format changes available on the horizon, as well. Could we see a centralized, Super Bowl-like NBA Finals? The players certainly approved of the limited travel and maximum rest of the Bubble. That doesn’t bode well for markets like Milwaukee, where lost local revenue booms won’t be popular. But for the league it could present opportunities similar to the corporate billions enjoyed by the NFL. Placing the crown jewel games in larger markets that can handle the convergence of the global media covering the Finals (always a logistical challenge) could theoretically generate more shareable revenue for the health of the league. That also opens the door to “every other day” scheduling, which puts bigger market games in prime slots for max $$$ (a reality us Bucks fans were exposed to in the Bubble playoffs that saw the Bucks playing mid-afternoon even as the 1 seed).

It will be a time of change in the relationship between the Owners and players, as well. The “Player Empowerment Era” may have run its course- if Ownership has any say. The era of NBA players keen to join forces with other great players to form Superteams has been met with backlash from fans and owners alike. It’s one of the reasons the Bucks’ extension of Giannis has been viewed as a “good thing for the NBA” by pundits (who ironically just weeks before were dreaming of a Knicks return to glory). It’s a feel good story. But stars playing in big markets or aligning with other stars to win is nothing new in the NBA, and because it is also in the interests of the game, it’s not going away. The key will be to create incentives for teams to stay together longer. Cap incentives seem to be the main pathway towards more player stability. The health of the league in its medium to small markets must be a priority for the game to prosper. Look no further than the NFL for proof.

The Association, like all of us, took a big hit in 2020... they’ll need to navigate smartly going forward to ensure the long term stability and growth of the league. They need to promote the game positively to the whole country, and repair some bridges to disenchanted fans in flyover cities that view the league as something they don’t connect with anymore. Just about every Bucks fan I know was ready to walk away from the NBA if the league gave any appearance to the kind of big market shenanigans that typified the David Stern era. Those fans today look forward to the continuing success of a team with one of the league’s biggest stars- as it should be.

The Association needs to worry less about offending China and more about what they have right here.

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The NBA has always been a step ahead of the other pro sports in certain areas.  

Their investment in streaming content and social media is leaps and bounds ahead of MLB and the NFL specifically.

They also were real the only sport to not have to cancel or reschedule games.  

I think their scheduling this upcoming season - only releasing half - is brilliant.  It allows them to check and adjust and not having the dreaded back to backs in different cities actually should improve the quality of play.

The rumors of a mid season tournament would be a stroke of genius.  I also think their idea of the play in game (postseason) was really smart and saavy,  It would not surprise me to see them do a complete reseeding of the playoffs including eliminating conferences and just doing 1-16 matchups much like the NCAA tournament.  Perhaps they even get more creative and allow the top 2 or 4 teams to pick their first round opponents.  That would be fun.

Then there’s future growth and expansion.  Looking over the next 5 years, the rise of players like Doncic and Jokic and Giannis and Siakim will only help create more worldwide interest in the sport.  Perhaps they do a “European tour” of some sort in areas where some of these stars came from.  

China may have a lot of money to spend on NBA marketing, but Europe is where the games resources are growing. Bill Simmons was just talking about this with Mark Cuban- the FIBA World Cup scenario is something that has the potential to have a growing importance. The League is about to be taken over by a group of young international players that tilts the balance. Giannis, Luka, Simmons, Jokic, and Embiid- theee guys are “next” as Title contending stars.

The league is also filled with a long list of Euro role players that are intricate parts of their teams: Porzingas, Siakam, Goebert, Vucevic, the Bogdanovic brothers, Markkanen, Rubio... you add these guys up you could really play USA vs the World in the All Star game and see the International team win.

These players have not been poisoned by that AAU world. They’re the prominent players rising in the league today.

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I agree the future is international and the immediate future expansion is in Europe.

I think the NBA has to make a decision on what FIBA rules they are going to incorporate and which rules they want to retain that are different (and push FIBA to move towards the NBA - like they did with the 3 point line). Some of them are simple decisions like the length of games and the number of fouls before disqualification. In those cases, I would think the NBA would want the longer games (48 vs. 40 minutes) and the extra foul (people pay to see stars and the extra foul keeps them on the court more often). In other cases, there are some fundamental differences. The size of the lane (trapezoidal vs. rectangular), being able to swat the ball out of the cylinder once it touches the rim, and no defensive 3-second calls are going to require some negotiation.

I'd like to see a mid-season break where each NBA team plays against a couple of Euro teams or do a single-elimination tournament. There are 18 teams in the Euro League, so 48 teams works well if you give the top 16 teams byes and do playins to eliminate 16 to get to 32 for the tournament. That's 47 games that can be marketed worldwide over a 2-week period. Have it instead of the all-star game dunkathon (and you could keep some of the Legends, 3 point shooting contest, etc. stuff and include Euro players).

In terms of salary-related things, there should be team-related incentives in keeping your stars as well. One idea some have floated is to have some portion of the supermax be exempted from cap charges. In other words, since the most other teams can offer Giannis is roughly 35 million a year and the Bucks can roughly 45 million, why penalize the Bucks' salary cap for this difference? Have him count 35 million against the Bucks cap instead of 45. It would have the added benefit of reducing the luxury tax penalties most teams with a supermax player are going to be on the hook for.

I love that idea of not penalizing a team for keeping their stars. I mean, the tax is a significant problem especially for the smaller market teams.  The NBA already allows some amnesty related exceptions (like injured players) but a team like Milwaukee shouldn’t be dinged for retaining a star like Giannis.  Maybe just retaining existing max players is exempt, I don’t know.  

There should also be some compensatory pick for teams that lose their stars or key players. Maybe it’s when a team like Atlanta signs Bogdanovic and the Kings don’t match the Kings get a pick back in return.

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@Tschmack posted:

I love that idea of not penalizing a team for keeping their stars. I mean, the tax is a significant problem especially for the smaller market teams.  The NBA already allows some amnesty related exceptions (like injured players) but a team like Milwaukee shouldn’t be dinged for retaining a star like Giannis.  Maybe just retaining existing max players is exempt, I don’t know.  

There should also be some compensatory pick for teams that lose their stars or key players. Maybe it’s when a team like Atlanta signs Bogdanovic and the Kings don’t match the Kings get a pick back in return.

I think the challenge for the NBA is that compensatory picks mean almost nothing relative to the NFL or even MLB. In the NFL, you have a great chance of getting a contributing player with even an extra 4th round pick since you need a minimum of 30-35 guys on any given Sunday. In the NBA, unless you are picking in the top 5 or maybe top 10, your odds of getting a major contributor are low and to be drafting with an extra pick at the end of the first round after 30th overall is not going to get you much of anything. You couldn't really give any compensatory picks until the end of the first round.

I think if you lose a guy that you wanted to retain (Durant to OKC for example) you should get some salary cap bonus you can use to try to replace him.

There are a lot of NBA picks that are garbage.  Including top 10 picks.

But let’s not forget you can find some real gems.  Jokic was taken 41st overall in 2014.   Our guy Middleton was 39th overall in 2012.  Jimmy Buckets was taken 30th in 2011.  Siakim and Gobert were both 27th overall in 2016 and 2013 respectively.  Lyle Lowry was 24th overall.   These guys were All Stars last year.

You give a team an extra 1st round pick for losing a decent player and yes it could turn into crap but it’s something.  It could be end the first round.  Or give a team a choice instead to provide some kind of salary cap relief as MP2 described?

Jerry west called the Lakers a shit show during the Kawhi Leonard recruitment:

https://www.ibtimes.com/nba-je...-report-says-3105677


Tampering accusations against the Clippers? Surely you don’t think...

https://www.latimes.com/sports...y-west-investigation

The Association needs to either change the rules or start enforcing them. The “tampering” issue is a complete joke. The worst kept secret in sports.

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It’s funny the whole tampering thing just disappeared with the Bucks along with the fake outrage and hurt feelings.

Now Jerry West is basically caught (allegedly) with his pants down regarding the Kahwi recruitment process.   Wow I am shocked lol.

Tampering in the NBA is a joke.  Everyone talks about everyone.  You said it - tampering is the worst kept secret in professional sports.

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@Goalline posted:

Every sport and just about every event has seen a major drop during COVID. COVID is just bad for business. The NBA does not need to panic.

While true, it is also true that there was a backlash with the overtly political stance the League made. Adam Silver has acknowledged this and that is why they will not be supporting it during games anymore.

Rudy Gobert signs for 5 years and 205 million.

It looks like the Jazz and Gobert split the difference between a regular max (~160 million) and a supermax (the Giannis contract of 228 million).

That's a lot of money for a guy that might get played off the floor by small ball lineups in the playoffs.

That’s crazy money for Gobert. You’re right... you give $40M/yr to a guy that can get played off the floor? That’s an untradeable contract for a guy who may not be a top 20 of player?

  1. LeBron
  2. Giannis
  3. Davis
  4. Kawhi
  5. Harden
  6. Curry
  7. Jokic
  8. Luka
  9. Dame
  10. Tatum
  11. Siakam
  12. Beal
  13. Mitchell
  14. Paul
  15. Simmons
  16. George
  17. Townes
  18. Butler
  19. Embiid
  20. Booker

Is Gobert better than any of these guys? Sure, he’s a difference making defensive presence, but those players simply do not lead to championships. Ben Wallace was a big part of the Pistons success, but he doesn’t put the ball in the basket. Sure, he has value- but NBA history is full of players who are overvalued like this. Utah is making a huge mistake giving him this kind of money. He’ll never live up to the contract...

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Gobert is undervalued because he’s a throwback player.  A true center that plays in the post.

He’s an anchor defensively and a solid offensive player.  He doesn’t step out and take 3 pointers like many of the other bigs but on that team they don’t need him to do that.  

With some of the dollars being thrown around the last 5 years or so it’s tough to say who’s overpaid or not.   I view him bit like Middleton.  A very good player but not elite by any stretch.   Although you could argue Gobert is an elite defender.  Middleton isn’t elite in any aspect of his game, but he’s probably best suited with a team like the Bucks that can compliment his strengths and hide his weaknesses.

I just like the fact that he’s staying in Utah (small market).  

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I’m sure the league is disappointed, at best, that Giannis didn’t go to one of the few acceptable franchises. They’ll be on the Bucks like stink on sht for a long time. Clippers won’t be penalized, and the Lakers can do whatever they’d like without fear of repercussion. The richest always get the spoils.

Boy, no shit... those fucking hypocrites. Here’s an article from before he signed. Pretty much breaks it down.

https://cbssportsradio.radio.c...giannis-in-milwaukee

”As Gelb explained, it appears the NBA picks and chooses when tampering is and isn’t an issue.

“The NBA didn’t say a word when LeBron James, for a year-plus, used Rich Paul, that connection, to court Anthony Davis to L.A. when he was still on the Pelicans,” Gelb said. “The NBA did nothing when Kyrie and KD, in front of you, basically said, ‘We’re going to team up, and we’re going to go elsewhere next year.’ And we all knew they were going to Brooklyn.’”

It’s a joke. Now Harden wants to go to Brooklyn- I wonder why? Why Brooklyn specifically? Did you already talk to someone?

What-the-fuck-ever...

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And on top of it, the league is rubbing the Bucks face in shit even more suggesting they went easy on Milwaukee because they “cooperated” and didn’t sign Bogdanovic.

I mean, it this the standard now?  Is this due process?  This sounds like MLB and NFL related bullshit.  

Look, I like Adam Silver and a lot of the things the NBA has done recently but this feels like some kind of backhanded revenge for Giannis upping with Milwaukee.  To that extent, I say fuck you NBA.  I hope the Bucks win the next 5 championships.  And dispatch of those real tampering fucks like the Lakers and Clippers and Heat and Raptors.  

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Even if they have a down year, the Bucks are going to be one of the top 8 teams in the league. Drafting 52nd or lower is not likely to get you much you couldn't get by signing an UDFA. However, it does reduce their maneuverability in terms of trades for guys at the deadline.

The Clippers were communicating with Kawhi's shady uncle and the guy on the fricking NBA logo was the one doing it. The fact there is a tape of the phone call is the only reason the NBA will be forced to perform even a "thorough" investigation and will probably fine the Clippers and take away a 2nd round pick. However, as shady as this was, at least Kawhi was a free agent and it was the off-season.

The Lakers were much worse. Rich Paul tried to force AD out of New Orleans at mid-season in 2018-19. The Pelicans wouldn't play ball then, so AD basically half-assed his way through the rest of that season on a minutes restriction. Talk about affecting the integrity of the game. At least the Clippers (and obviously the Bucks) situations had no impact on any actual games that people paid to watch.  All the shady stuff (if you can call what the Bucks did that) happened within a week of the start of free agency). At the same time as AD is jogging up and down the court for 20 minutes a night in NO, LeBron decided to check out early in 2018-19 for some R&R because he felt the Lakers weren't competitive. Again, who cares about the people that bought Laker tickets to see LeBron. Unlike LeBron, Jordan played every game in large part because he knew people came out to see him.

AD, of course, claims that he wanted out because he couldn't win in New Orleans. They then win the lottery and get to draft the most heralded college prospect since AD in Zion. And AD doesn't even reconsider after that? AD, Jrue Holiday, and Zion is a pretty good Big 3.

Giannis is a loyal guy, but in the end I think Bucks fans are really, really lucky that Dolan is such a lousy owner that not even the NBA front office wants him to succeed with the Knicks. They are waiting for him to sell the team. All the other markets that drive TV ratings and advertising dollars (both LA teams, the Bay area, Miami, Philly, Dallas, and Houston) have superstars already. Even NYC has Brooklyn with a Big 2. The only two teams they really need to be good to maximize profits are Chicago and the Knicks. If a desirable owner bought the Knicks, there'd be some major scheming going on in the NBA front office to get Giannis, Zion, or someone like that to play in Madison Square Garden. I don't know what's going on in Chicago, but look for them to win the lottery soon.

Well, we all know the lottery is fixed err the ping pong balls dropping to certain teams at certain times is just coincidence.

Patrick Ewing started it all.  Later on it was Cleveland (LeBron) then Chicago (Rose) then New Orleans (twice- AD then Zion).  Oh, and then Cleveland again (Kyrie) after LeBron left the first time.

Who can also not forget Orlando securing the top pick (Shaq) not long after the franchise was sold?

I’m convinced the minute Dolan sells the Knicks they will win the next 3 lotteries just as a reward.

The league must really hate OKC.  After Durant leaves why didn’t they get the 1 pick overall?

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Giannis is a loyal guy, but in the end I think Bucks fans are really, really lucky that Dolan is such a lousy owner that not even the NBA front office wants him to succeed with the Knicks. They are waiting for him to sell the team. All the other markets that drive TV ratings and advertising dollars (both LA teams, the Bay area, Miami, Philly, Dallas, and Houston) have superstars already. Even NYC has Brooklyn with a Big 2.

The whole Brooklyn thing doesn’t happen if the Knicks aren’t such a shit show. Both guys wanted to play in MSG, not the damn Barclay’s Center.

Much like wanting Rick Spielman to stay as GM of the Vikings, I sure as hell want James Dolan to stay as owner of the Knicks as long as possible.  As long as he’s in charge of the NYK that franchise will continue to be a disaster and no one decent or competent will want to go there.

Harden starting to go "Jimmy Butler and the TImberwolves" stage on the Rockets.

https://clutchpoints.com/rocke...ate-during-practice/

As much as I dislike Harden's style of play, what would really be great would be for the Rockets to trade Harden to the Knicks so we could watch Harden put up 50 a night for a 15 win team.

When it goes bad it really goes bad.  The problem for Harden is his recent antics will turn off a number of suitors, and the Rockets are screwed because there is no way they will get even close to equal value back in return.  

But this is what happens when you dance with the devil.  It’s no different with Jimmy Butler.  Things are peachy keen when you are winning, but it can go south in a hurry if conditions aren’t nearly perfect for that type of player.

Now, his value actually increases next year as there are teams out there that would love to clear 40MM from their books but two years is a lot to absorb.

Something to watch close this year... injuries.

The Nets lose Dinwiddie. Now Orlando, off to a 6-2 start, loses Markelle Fultz for the year. Will be a key issue for whoever is playing into July...

@Music City posted:

As much as I cannot stand the fucker, it’s pretty remarkable the difference Draymond Green makes for the Warriors. They’re a completely different team.

They wouldn't have won the titles without him because he was the only non-finesse player they had. Klay, Steph, and Durant were all obviously finesse guys (as were Igoudala, H. Barnes, and Livingston).

He gives them an attitude, but he's due 100 million over the next 4 years. He'll turn 31 in March. Over the last two years and the start of this year, he's shooting under 28% from 3 and hasn't averaged more than 8 points a game in 3 years. He'd be a great guy to have in the Thanasis role (10 minutes a game as an energy guy and an agitator) making the MLE at most. He may have the worst contract in the NBA right now.

@Goalline posted:

Defensively, Klay is a holy terror. Far from a finesse player, IMO.

Klay learned how to play defense partially from Tony and Dick Bennett at Washington State. I wouldn't call him overly physical though. They (Curry, Klay, Durant) all needed an enforcer/slightly crazy type. It's what Portis may be for us.

Draymond Green is one of the smartest basketball players in my memory. Uncanny ability to read and anticipate on both ends. If he had more physical talent, he’d be an all timer.

He’s also a prick. If he’s not on my team, I can’t stand him...

Atlanta has already cooled off and I expect the same with the Knicks and and the Magic although Orlando is an interesting team.  I’ve always liked Fournier and Vucevic is one of the most underrated players in the league.  Terrance Ross is having a good year and Aaron Gordon is starting to shoot the ball much better.  Losing Fultz sucks, but time for the rookie Cole Anthony to step up.  

@Tschmack posted:

Atlanta has already cooled off and I expect the same with the Knicks and and the Magic although Orlando is an interesting team.  I’ve always liked Fournier and Vucevic is one of the most underrated players in the league.  Terrance Ross is having a good year and Aaron Gordon is starting to shoot the ball much better.  Losing Fultz sucks, but time for the rookie Cole Anthony to step up.  

Atlanta's problem is that their team is built around Trey Young and he is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA. I don't think you can win consistently with him as your foundation.

Some in the media are trying to make him out as the next Steph Curry. It's not even close. Steph isn't a shutdown defensive player by any means, but he's not a liability on that end and he has led the NBA in steals during a couple of his seasons. Trae Young has developed a reputation as a lights-out shooter. He's a 34% career shooter from 3. Curry is at 43.5% for his career.

The Knicks will probably hang in there for a while. Thibodeau is a good coach, but he begins to wear thin on guys after a while (which means he's usually good for a year or two). He'll keep the Knicks playing defense and they won't be the joke they have been in the last decade or so.

@Music City posted:

Draymond Green is one of the smartest basketball players in my memory. Uncanny ability to read and anticipate on both ends. If he had more physical talent, he’d be an all timer.

He’s also a prick. If he’s not on my team, I can’t stand him...

@Music City posted:

Well... the Bogdanovic saga takes an interesting turn. He’s out indefinitely with a knee fracture.

https://www.nbcsports.com/baya...-fracture-right-knee

He wasn't injury prone before, so most likely bad luck.

The guy that will be interesting to monitor is Brogdon. He's being mentioned as an MVP candidate right now. His availability has always been an issue.

Looking around the League, it looks like the. Ives caught Utah at the wrong time- they’ve rolled 3 straight and each was a blowout.

Philly is playing like they know what the hell they’re doing, now. Lakers started 2-2, but have won 7 of 8 since. Indy started hot and has cooled some since.

The Bucks have the top scoring team in the NBA. They have the top SRS in the NBA according to PBR.

The Warriors are better with Draymond now, and the Suns are built to win in the post season. Clippers might be better, but they don’t bring it every night. The Knicks and Hawks have cooled off.

After 3 weeks the league is more balanced in the standings than I thought they’d be.

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