The faults in the Atlanta trade

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Jones is developing into a decent receiver but I think people forget how many really good WRs there are in the NFL. A number of them you didn't have to trade away a boatload of picks to get them either.

True. How many really good QBs are there? Patty Ryan ain't one of them.

TT finds recievers as good as JJ in the 2nd round. And got more picks, not less.

The thing that stands out for me that makes the trade bad is simply the importance of the position. WR is below things like QB, DE, LT, and CB. QB stands alone really, as the position where taking the franchise guy really can be worth it. DE, LT, CB are good "play it by ear" positions. When it comes to WR, let the draft come to you. Megatron, Fitz, you don't see these guys turning around franchises.

Look over the history of the NFL. There are a ton of really good receivers that didn't require trading away multiple high picks to get

Rod Smith and Wes Welker and Victor Cruz were undrafted free agents. Vincent Jackson and Greg Jennings were late 2nd rounders. Steve Smith was a 3rd round pick. Those are just a handful of players that come to mind when talking about really good WRs.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:
It's kind of tricky. At the time it looked like defense as we know it was done and the only way you were going to get to the Superbowl was to score massive amounts of points or have a crazy pass rush that can overwhelm the other teams offense.

Finding the pass rushers is a monumental task let alone trying to do it with the later picks in every round of the draft. Atlanta was looking at trying to keep up with the dynamic offenses of the Saints and the Packers. ATL played ball control offense at the time. They could have spent all those picks on defense and still choked because they couldn't keep up.

Part of me wants to agree that giving up that many picks is always a bad idea. By the same token half the draft picks turn out mediocre and there's so many injuries that maybe you lose half those guys anyway and you're better off rolling the dice and hoping you have the elite guy that stays healthy.

They are fortunate Julio turned out to be as good a player as he is. Credit to them for having so much confidence in their assessment of him.

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Patty Ryan

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Originally posted by Henry:

Does Julio Jones play defense?
- No

Julio had the game-ending pick against the Seahawks in the Divisional Round!

True PackLandVA, true.

Russell Wilson thought it was a TD though

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Originally posted by Lap-Ka-Dog:
The thing that stands out for me that makes the trade bad is simply the importance of the position....Megatron, Fitz, you don't see these guys turning around franchises.

The thing that makes it a bad trade for me is the pile of dogsh!t the Browns turned all the picks into I don't think Atlanta is unhappy with having Julio and when It's all said and done they gave up 5 guys for one top 10 guy who still has the potential to improve.

I can't remember one receiver doing as much as Fitz did during that Arizona Superbowl run. I was amazed by how well he played. It's a shame he has to play for that embarrassing franchise. I hate seeing great players careers get wasted by inept management. They've had so many opportunities to get him a decent QB and flopped time after time after time. Now watch them be the team that gives Jamarcus Russel his comeback shot.

At 3 bills he'd fit in well on the other side of the C.

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Originally posted by Tschmack:
1351 yards receiving 92 catches and 7 TDs is losing a step?

Only 8 guys had more yards than him and 10 receivers had more catches than Roddy White this year.

well, he's turning 32 during the season next year. Not exactly in his prime anymore. He's a quality WR certainly- and he'll benefit from having a playmaker on the other end. I have to believe that was part of the equation when pulling the trigger on the deal.

It's a fair thing to say that WR is not the position you trade a boatload for. I don't think i would have paid that price, but who's to say? In the end the Falcons did, and he's now and up and coming star player. If he's better next year, and leads the NFL in a bunch of categories, the Falcons should be happy because they have a great player.

I just don't think we should categorize the deal as bad just because there was a hefty price. It's really silly to go a step further and say "well, no SB equals bad trade".

Everyone has a value system, and everyone takes calculated risks. Thompson does this with every personnel decision- and included in that will be the decision what to do with Jennings. Risk is involved in both decisions. To pin it all on one decision and say this cost or won a SB is pretty dumb to me. I don't believe for a. Second that any decision is made with that all or nothing mindset. It defies logic.

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Originally posted by Music City:


I just don't think we should categorize the deal as bad just because there was a hefty price. It's really silly to go a step further and say "well, no SB equals bad trade".

Even though that was the exact statement made.

Are you some kind of sports post modern, relativistic nihilist?

See, the NFL is a business. So let's put our little capitalists hats on shall we?

Is hope a good business strategy, as in Thomas Dimitrof hopes Julio Jones will help them win the Superbowl?
- For dirty smelly hippies

Are you a dirty, smelly, tree hugging, liberul, pro-education hippie?

Be careful how you answer, Jesus is watching. Unless he was already deported.

Falconitis Tougher in 2013

Boris that's really all relative. We're all just dust in the wind. With that deep knowledge does that article really have any merit? Plunger weasel.

Should/Would TT go after Micheal The Burner Turner if the Falcons do indeed release him?

I wouldn't call him a burner at this point.

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Originally posted by Henry:
Exactly. I don't see a ****ing Superbowl trophy. One playoff win? That's getting them over the top?

Enjoy the rest of the talent dropping off.

THIS.

And that one playoff win was courtesy of a couple of Pete Carroll brain farts in the first half. Teams who mortgage the future to win now usually end up in the football wilderness for quite some time.

Oops, now that the falcons lost their starting LB Witherspoon they don't seem to have much depth behind him. And now they scramble. That's the downside of trading a bevy of picks for a WR. A top- heavy roster, little depth and when that WR goes down in an injury its the equivalent of 4-5 players sitting out. But the fans were thrilled at the time of the trade. Oops.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...weatherspoon-injury/

An injury prone 1st round pick ...never a good thing. Odd thing is he was running on the sidelines with his medical trainers when his achilles tore. WTF. Talk about irony..

 

There were fan comments on ESPN yesterday talking about athletes who have been on certain antibiotics like Cipro have an increased risk of rupturing their tendons:

 

http://www.webmd.com/osteoarth...-may-rupture-tendons

 

Apparently that was the case with Witherspoon. Oye..

 

 

From reader comments on the link about impact of Packer beatdown:

 

Agitation is healthy but it could lead to a feeling of desperation!

Let’s home our GM doesn’t reach for a player out of a feeling of desperation. If you pick and miss, it could set you back for some time. 

Interesting.

I suppose me playing doctor is like fan comments doing the same, but Cipro and similar seem to be a powerful antibiotic to be routinely prescribed for an athlete.

Time to go back to poultices.  Slap it right on my pecker!

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Slap it right on my pecker!

A corollary of Rule 34 is that anything you might consider a kink, there's somebody out there who considers it a fetish.

I've seen too much to be shocked by either.  Disgusted maybe, not shocked.

http://www.nationalfootballpos...-on-Hard-Knocks.html

 

Falcons to be featured on "Hard Knocks" 

 

Is there a less compelling team on a national level than the Falcons?  Maybe the Titans - anyone ever run into a group of Titans fans anywhere other than in Tennessee?  Maybe the Texans, but they've only been around about 12 years.  It seems like no one gives a rat's ass about the Falcons.  

Atlanta is a baseball town.

Really?  I seem to remember them having trouble selling out their ballpark several times when the Braves were in the playoffs.  

 

ATL seems more like a college football town, what with all duh SEC alums in the area.  Other than that, it has a bit in common with San Diego in that a lot of folks there are from somewhere else.  San Diego is a pretty crappy sports town too for that reason.

 

Still, if the Falcons moved and became the Delaware Credit Limits, would anyone outside of ATL really care?

 

Their team logo: 

In the 2010 playoff game against GB, one of the Birds major football forums created a thread to beg fans going to the game to please show up at the start of the game.

 

It was stunning to me to find out at their home games, large amounts of fans do not show up at the start of the game and only start filling in the stadium by the mid 1st Q or later.

 

Just like baseball.

 

Sure enough, a lot of empty seats at the start of the game.

 

There's a fan base HBO would like to draw from.

AND then they left after Rodgers' rushing TD early in the second half. Only the Packer fans were left.

 

I still occasionally watch that gave on my DVD player. Never gets old. The NFL Replay with the quotes from Falcon players during the game is priceless, sitting stunned and making comments about what a beating it is....

That's pretty spot on.  College football is indeed king in the ATL.

 

The Braves fans were spoiled by all of the regular season success, but frustrated by the lack of success in the post season except for their one title. If they fall off, the support does too. Not uncommon. Too many other things to do around here.

 

When the Falcons do well, there's quite a bit of support. Falcons fans do tend to arrive late at the stadium. The NFL is the most popular professional league in the area by far.

 

The demographics of the crowds in attendance and tailgating before the games are quite different.

Fat, drunk and stupid ? I think that's pretty much the same across the league

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AND then they left after Rodgers' rushing TD early in the second half. Only the Packer fans were left.

My memory from that game is that, in between the third and fourth quarters, they presented the winners of the Punt, Pass, and Kick competition.  After they announced each of the winners, there was polite applause, except for the three or so from Wisconsin, who each gut a very noticeably louder cheer.

       
       


Falcons fans are noticeably taller on the radio than Braves fans.

Less compelling is a team like Miami- oh wait they did Hard Knocks too

Crappy apathetic fan bases-  as some have said too many $EC football fans in the south

ATL is a terrible sports town but what else is new

Hawks and Braves playoff games rarely sell out and the Falcons aren't much better

This is a good time for a video

 

It's no "Hail to the Redskins", but it has a beat you can dance to.

Vince Young is considered a brilliant mind in Georgia

Falcon fans arrive late for games because they are too stoopid to tell time.