The most overated QB in the NFL...

Not sure I'd rate Wilson over-rated.  I think he is extremely clutch.  His SB performance was a good example of this.

 

I think I would go with Matt Ryan, possibly Romo.

I live in the DC suburbs and have been watching the Griffin soap opera since he came to the league.  Although I am no fan of Mike Shanahan the person most responsible for ruining Griffin is himself. Griffin's rookie performance was largely because of the Shanahans' putting him in a scheme that the league hadn't seen and largely drew on what he ran at Baylor. Never had to make tough reads, had wide open receivers more often than not because of run action, and big plays from his own running ability. It was largely a gimmick offense. Griffin insisted on playing in the playoffs despite his knee and it's no surprise he got hurt again.

 

Following seasons, Griffin and entourage did everything to market himself, undermine the Shanahans, and take no responsibility for his failures. Including dropping daily wisdom on Twitter and Facebook as if he was the Buddha imparting life lessons. Shanny added fuel to the fire with his lack of people skills and ultimately Dan Snyder sided with his shiny toy instead of his coach. Griffin is the epitome par excellence of the pampered, narcissistic athlete.

 

Jay Gruden was forced to put Griffin back in this season and yesterday finally called him out publicly for lousy play and continued scapegoating of teammates. He is a terrible QB right now, can't read defenses with trash fundamentals. As one who hates what Snyder has done to this franchise, I'm so glad to see Griffin as Snyder's franchise QB. They are made for each other.

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You always see these graphs "Wilson is undefeated vs. Brady, Manning and Rodgers".

Aaron Rodgers defeated Russell Wilson in 2012.

If you want to point that play out, sure.  I was thinking more of all of the other plays he made.

He eluded a lot of pass pressure and made a nice throw while moving.  Great play.

 

His big pass in the other SB the Giant's won was spectacular.  The deep ball down the sideline.  Very tight window and he put it right in there.  Huge play, especially considering the point in the game.

If you've got a few minutes and want to see more about Griffin burning his bridges in DC, read this article written by a longtime fan for a DC sports radio site.

 

http://washington.cbslocal.com...VGrECbRtyts.facebook

 

 

Cuqui-

 

Thanks for your insight and good local info. I didn't realize there were those other issues as well. Like the sayin' goes, learn something new everyday.

 

Have to wonder if Johnny Football follows in the same stoopid steps. Another ego maniac who runs his mouth and who risks his body to big time hits.

Manziel (unfortunately) has been sitting and waiting his turn in Cleveland. That gives more time to mellow and humble out a bit. A shame, as he was the perfect fit for the Vikings.

You think him sitting this year will mellow him out? That would imply he's humble/intelligent. Aaron Rodgers/Steve Young he ain't.

 

He's a fuc**** idiot and bench time won't change that.

 

 

 

You're probably right about Manziel, time will tell though. 

 

Remember a lot of stories out of GB about Rodgers being pretty arrogant when he came out too. Not in the Griffin/Manziel category but still. He certainly showed he could eat humble pie and the amount of work he put in to completely retool his game still impresses. Obviously learned a lot about managing stardom from Brent and Brent's departure, too. Sitting and being MM's prize student was the best thing for him.

Let's not forget that the 'stories' about AR being aloof/a douche/whatever were generated when the old regime was still here, and that old regime was pissy that Ted drafted him in the first place.  I'm not saying they tried to trash the guy, but when Brent wasn't happy about AR being in town and Shermy saw no use for him, I'm guessing that had something to do with AR being 'stand-offish' or whatever those whispers were at the time.

 

I could be rong, but I don't ever remember stuff like that being pissed into the wind after MM got to town.  

I would think playing QB requires a certain amount of arrogance/narcissism. It is the most important position on the field and nearly every 10 year old wants to be the star QB, and eventually bang the head cheerleader.

 

 

 

 

 

My point is....if that play isn't made, then Eli(te) doesn't win that Super Bowl & we're not having this discussion.

 

Eli = Overrrr-RAYYYYTED. Clap clap....clap clap clap

Reminds me of the scene from moneyball where the scouts talk about a players' confidence based on how hot his girlfriend/wife is

 

" His wife is ugly, he's got no confidence"

I think JJSD is right about Rodgers not fitting in well with the old regime in '05. Sherman gave zero f*cks about that season knowing he was a lame duck coach. Everyone else knew that also so I doubt Rodgers got too invested with the coaches. I do remember there was some talk with Rodgers being resistant to McCarthy's QB School early on because of how drastically different McCarthy wanted him to operate, but he quickly realized it was for the better and got on board. I also think Favre's annual retirement drama probably pissed Rodgers off quite a bit.

I don't think Favre's annual retirement ceremony pissed off Rodgers. It absolutely didn't sit well with MM though.

 

Thankfully MM & TT had the stones to trade his ass.

How is Russell Wilson overrated?  He might be underutilized in the passing game but the guy makes plays left and right and his intangibles are off the charts. 

Ryan and Romo are the usual suspects but what in the hell has happened to Eli Manning?  He was never great to begin with but he's fallen off a cliff.

You don't think so? I would think being the heir apparent and not knowing whether or not next year is your year to start for 3 years straight would get old pretty fast. He took all the 1st team reps all through OTA's, MiniCamp, and often through TC and then all the sudden Favre says he's coming back and you're back down to #2. 

SanDoggy and I were talking about this drama the other day. To me the only offseason with the big question mark (other than the actual faux retirement) was 2006 when he kind of smirked and didn't answer the hanging question after the game against Chicago walking off the field. Other than that it was to me just a bunch of media generated crap. Everyone knew he would have to be dragged off the field and that is what happened.

 

Shoot, I am almost 100% certain that if you asked AR he would say that all of that time sitting on the bench was almost necessary in his development to become this player. How many teams can currently afford the luxury of having a QB of (assumed) quality get that much time to just sit back and learn the trade for years only to then get put into the lineup? Not many. AR changed a lot in those years and I believe 100% necessary in his development. What he showed in that 2007 game against the Cowboys was not an accident.

Larry Bird. No way he is a good enough QB to compare to Rodgers.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...omparison-larry-bird

I'm sure Rodgers looks back now and would agree that sitting during that time was so beneficial, but at the time I doubt it was fun for him. 

 

I give McCarthy a lot of credit for developing Rodgers into the player he is. Rodgers is probably the first (maybe only?) Tedford QB to make it in the NFL and I think a big reason why is because McCarthy broke down all his fundamentals and what he knew about playing QB and built him back up the right way...and Rodgers was smart enough to listen and realize it was necessary. Rag on Stupidface all you want, but he deserves a lot of credit for helping shape Rodgers into what he is.

Back when basketball was really good. Probably best it will ever be.

 

Didn't know this until now....

 

He (Rodgers) also has extended his streak to 322 passes at Lambeau Field since his last interception there -- an NFL record for consecutive passes at home without an interception, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. The previous mark was 288 by Tom Brady at Gillette Stadium (2002-04).

 

YES! Can't wait to play Brady & Belichick. I can look past the Vikings....the Packers can't

The comments section of that posted article is some good reading.

Not over-rated.

 

Packer fans discussing what QBs are overrated/suck just feels like bullying.

True. In my lifetime I've cheered for Starr, Dickey, Majkowski in '89, Favre, and now Rodgers. Lots of very good QB play during that time, even if the teams weren't always winning.

 

 

 

I have not looked up these stats but I think they are pretty accurate...the Packers have had 23 yrs in a row having HOF QB,s at the helm,  with 88,000 yards of passing.

 

On the other hand there were 20 some yrs without.  I have seen the great and the the terrible. The one thing that Meathead Tice said that I totally agree with is this "enjoy the season". 

I think the thing that drove this home for me was watching what the offense looked like last year with Wallace/Flynn/Tolzien. It looked like the ball was moving in slow motion as it moved in the air toward the receivers.

Dude, you missed a few QB gems on your list:

 

Don Horn

Scott Hunter

Jerry Tagge

John Hadl

Jim Del Gaizo

David Whitehurst

Randy Wright

Mike Tomzak

 

Don't forget Rich Campbell

Or Kiel. May he RIP. He was only a back up, I guess.

Vince Ferragamo!

All of you should be ashamed for not mentioning the Immortal Anthony Dilweg.  

 

Didn't the Great Chuck Fusina also get a few starts in GB?

 

Of course, Alan Risher was my favorite scab QB ever.

Craig Nall was such a waste of potential tallant.

Carlos Brown.

Randy Johnson.

Jack Concannon.

Rodgers kept him down, but he was so much better than Rodgers. Can you imagine how good we would be if ROTTT had done the right thing and traded Rodgers?