The Need for Speed

Remember when the offense needed speed.  Ted drafted a speedy wide receiver and halfway through the season the offense started to click.  

Only the speedy wide receiver hardly ever saw the field.  It's almost like coaching diagnosed the problem, made adjustments and the players on the field responded.  Or maybe Adams suddenly took faster pills.  

Or coaching matters.  

Or health matters.

Exactly, like how the offense fell apart in the playoffs with Jordy hurt. Nothing coaches could do to game plan once that happened.  

Exactly like when the offense had really good (some elite players, one HOF) at LT, RG, RT, QB, TE, WR1, WR2, WR3...ya know, just 8 out of 11 players. At the same time the defense had really good player (none elite or HOF) at SS, FS, OLB, and DT. Adjustments are easy when you're taking Jordy out of the game and you have Adams/Cook/Cobb/Monty/Allison there to pick up his slack with a HOF QB throwing the ball. Adjustments are less easy when Randall is out of the game and you have Rollins, Gunte, Hawkins(?) there to pick up his slack. I don't understand what the adjustment is when you have such poor performing talent?

Grave Digger posted:

I don't understand what the adjustment is when you have such poor performing talent?

If the back end is unfixable, then the front end has to pick up the slack.  Getting to the QB, hitting him, and harassing him is now the priority.  Of course once the offense realizes this, they counter with screens, quick slant passes, and draw plays that take advantage of the front seven aggressiveness.  Success for either depends on who sees what when. 

Do you remember all the kvetching when the offense was dragging?  The offense looked bad for a significant stretch.  The problem, some hypothesize, was we didn't have enough speed ("Why don't we send Janis! on more fly routes?") once Jordy was hurt.  I hypothesize that coaching matters.  McStupidface rallied the troops, made coaching adjustments, and the office came back to center.  I've never seen Capers do that.  It's super that if he has gobs of all stars he can put a meaningful squad on the field, but I think about an combover can do that.  I want a coach that can adjust and elevate.  I have no evidence that the coach that can do that is Dom.  

Id love to have someone who doesn't need several pro bowlers to field a championship D. But his name is Bill Belichick and he's unavailable.

Just a reliable defense, that would be nice

Well then his name is Romeo Crennel. He and his buddies Vic Fangio, Dean Peas, Matt Patricia,  Todd Bowles, etc. are all unavailable. Best we could get is perennially mediocre Ray Horton, foot fungus Rex Ryan, and the always instinctive AJ Hawk. Maybe they could coax Dave Aranda away from that sweat lodge of a state. Or you steal someone's position coach, but you have an equally good chance of getting a Bob Sanders as you do Matt Patricia. 

All things considered, might be easier just to give Dom a defense full of all stars since we know he can field a reliable D when he has it.

I'm shocked there are ever any new coaches in the NFL

I don't think there are. They just keep moving around until they can find a sucker HC to keep them forever so they can annoy the fans with their mediocrity.

Grave Digger posted:

All things considered, might be easier just to give Dom a defense full of all stars since we know he can field a reliable D when he has it.

Except we pretty much know with historical certainty this is patently bull****. 

http://www.packersnews.com/sto...big-impact/97350736/

Now they need a "little" RB. Hopefully he is fast.

Dr.-Ka-Bong posted:

Exactly, like how the offense fell apart in the playoffs with Jordy hurt. Nothing coaches could do to game plan once that happened.  

You mean like how Jordy was the ONLY WR hurt?  Or when Monty, Lang, Bakh, Adams got hurt they stopped scoring in ATL?

GBFanForLife posted:

http://www.packersnews.com/sto...big-impact/97350736/

Now they need a "little" RB. Hopefully he is fast.

From the article, "Some teams, including the Green Bay Packers, have little use for undersized runners. Their plan for 2016, as it has been for the last four seasons, was to hammer behind the 1-2 punch of Eddie Lacy and James Starks"

So Bob continues to foam diarrhea out his wind hole for another few thousand words in this total **** article but never once mentions Jonathan Franklin. You know, the guy Bob thinks GB has completely failed to bring to Green Bay while applauding Atlanta for being ahead of the trend four years after Franklin was forced to retire. But **** Ted. Gotta keep drafting the same spot and not get bogged down with neck fractures and all!!!!! Franklin would be heading to free agency this year. 

McGinn has become a pissy ass over emotional bitch that can't even get the most basic facts straight anymore. 

GBFanForLife posted:

http://www.packersnews.com/sto...big-impact/97350736/

Now they need a "little" RB. Hopefully he is fast.

Could my fantasy of Darren Sprouls wearing the green and gold finally become a reality?

What did Bob put in ChilliJon's cereal this morning?

chickenboy posted:

GBFanForLife posted:

http://www.packersnews.com/sto...big-impact/97350736/

Now they need a "little" RB. Hopefully he is fast.

Could my fantasy of Darren Sprouls wearing the green and gold finally become a reality?

Is Darren pitching or catching in this fantasy of yours? Pinch hitting? And could you please find another forum for stuff like this? Or another site? 

Pitching (out of the wildcat), catching, running and returning.

If McCarthy were to let Capers go I'd like for them to make a run at getting Muschamp in GB. Though I doubt he'd leave SC.

McGinn is in the same category as Bayless, Florio, Cowherd, yadda-yadda-yadda. 

After studying the phenomenal Campbell's Click-For-Cans 7-peat from Packers fan, they saw the answer to their problem. Speak poorly about the mighty Green Bay Packers and Packers Fan will be outraged and click away!

McGinn has an interesting perspective sometimes, but the rest of the time his articles read like a whiny fan on PackerChatters. Maybe he was Patty and was the one scorned by Thompson. RIP Patty.

Watching his little video wrap-ups of the games, he does sound whiney

And that's another thing. Here is the pic Bob uses on everything:

And here is a picture of Bob that isn't from 15 years ago:

Change your damned picture Bobby!!!!! ****!!!!!!!!!!!

GBFanForLife posted:

Bob should apply for a job. He seems to have all the answers.

Bobbie is crap-stirring d-bag, Atlanta does play on the fake grass, and inside, out of the weather, don't they Bob?

chickenboy posted:

Pitching (out of the wildcat), catching, running and returning.

Really, there are children on the board!!!

Sorry, Fandame's son.

All good. 

Hungry5 posted:

McGinn is in the same category as Bayless, Florio, Cowherd, yadda-yadda-yadda. 

 

Disagree,  a wee bit

McGinn collects info, data, facts and talks to lots of smert football guys, those other morons don't. But Bob does like to stir crapola like them, its his job

I'll give some consideration to the concept of smaller, faster guys in today's NFL

When Ron Wolf decided you couldn't win with little people at Lambeau in December/January he was proven correct. But the NFL has changed immensely since that time. The ability of DBs to hit WRs/RBs, push them around, post up, knock them off their routes has been altered due to all the rules changes. Its not a grappling-battle as much as it was in the past, refs are flagging that behavior

You might be able to win with smaller, faster guys in today's NFL. Arizona tried it with Safety Deone Buchanon playing ILB and he had moments of brilliance and moments when he was annihilated in run support.

And I know it's totally impolite to point this out around here, but the Packers defense tried a similar approach with Morgan Burnett at ILB. 

And the reason teams use the smaller, lighter, faster ILBs is in response to the smaller, lighter, faster RBs deployed around the league.

Like Eddie Lacy?

Goalline posted:

Like Eddie Lacy?

On his current trajectory, it is possible that Lacy will look like he has eaten the equivalent of a smaller, faster RB by training camp.

He also had a tweet with vid showing him running with Dede Westbrook.

I had him in second round of a recent mock. Voted outstanding DB for the week at Senior Bowl. Interesting to see how he runs at combine. Some question before Senior Bowl whether he had speed to play man on the outside. Guys on NFL radio who were at every practice loved him. They liked him better than King from Iowa, who is more widely acclaimed. 

Satori posted:

Hungry5 posted:

McGinn is in the same category as Bayless, Florio, Cowherd, yadda-yadda-yadda. 

 

Disagree,  a wee bit

McGinn collects info, data, facts and talks to lots of smert football guys, those other morons don't.

True, but I wonder...   McGinn did collect info, data, facts and talk to lots of smert football guys. Does he still? Or, are these smert guys the same ones he's been talking with since 1995? Also, the smert guys he talks to, do they have an agenda they are wanting to get across?

When Ron Wolf decided you couldn't win with little people at Lambeau in December/January he was proven correct. But the NFL has changed immensely since that time.

I think this line of thinking is why so many gnash teeth and pull hair with Capers. Does he change? Has he changed? Thompson has drafted lots of Swiss Army Knife football players lately, but Dom may be needing more Lunch Pail guys. Woodson was the ultimate Multi-Tool, but the rest of the 2010 D was more single-purposed, yes?

Both the smert guys and McGinn have an agenda, just like all of us humans

They get to pick what they say to Bob, and Bob gets to pick which comments he runs with in each article.  And the readers get to pick what parts of the article support their opinions and ignore the ones that don't....

As far as changing, they all evolve and they all steal from each other. Again, I know its impolite on this board, but Capers was in nickle/sub package more often and sooner than others. He was running 60% nickle while many were still using base. Now everybody uses nickle as their main defense. Capers also instituted the concept of heavy nickle and here's an article from Greg Cosell talking about how Belichick likes to deploy the heavy nickle too...

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/g...jones-185254499.html

"One personnel grouping the Falcons like to use is “21,” with two running backs and one tight end. That creates issues for the Patriots, because they don’t use a conventional front seven with seven linebackers and defensive linemen most plays. They like to use “big nickel,” with five defensive backs including three safeties."

Belichick is an awesome coach, but he will deploy many of the exact same strategies the Packers did last Sunday. The big difference is in talent, health and rest to execute those strategies. Plus Bill always has something extra they didn't plan for in film review. 

Satori posted:

 And the readers get to pick what parts of the article support their opinions and ignore the ones that don't....  

Agree, er... disagree. 

MichiganPacker posted:

Goalline posted:

Like Eddie Lacy?

On his current trajectory, it is possible that Lacy will look like he has eaten the equivalent of a smaller, faster RB by training camp.

Hmm has anyone actually seen James Starks lately??

My guess is Starks is hangin' with Shields.

Satori posted:

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Belichick is an awesome coach, but he will deploy many of the exact same strategies the Packers did last Sunday. The big difference is in talent, health and rest to execute those strategies. Plus Bill always has something extra they didn't plan for in film review. 

I bet on 3rd and short he doesn't call the vaunted "everyone go deep and don't get open route."

I'd still wonder what mistakes Ryan would have made had our offense showed up for the NFCCG. Be honest, we had to score a lot, everyone knew it, and the offense wasn't there. 

The offense was there at the open. A poor play call on 3rd and short followed by a missed FG. Then a fumble on the 6 inch line on the second drive. At that point of the game, a lot of air was let out of the sails because it became clear the D couldn't stop the Falcons and miscues had stopped the Packers 1st two drives. I just wonder if we would have scored 14 on the opening two drives how things might have changed. Regardless, the D is one of the worst in the league and that cannot be overlooked regardless how far the Packers made it this year. In some sense, I'm glad that has been the national narrative for this team - no hiding behind NFCC appearance or injuries.