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The re-build of the Packers should have begun at the end of last season, but there is absolutely no excuse not to go ALL IN on the re-build beginning today, November 7, 2022. What does a re-build entail?

Team President; Nothing demonstrates the GB way of doing business more than allowing a Team President/CEO who has been in charge of the organization for 11 straight non-Super Bowl appearance seasons to remain in place for a full 3 years after announcing his retirement, but here we are. Murph will be hanging around until the summer of 2025.

If the Board of Directors takes its duties seriously, it will NOT allow Murph to hand-pick his successor. In reality, however, the successor is likely to be promoted from within the most insular, incestuous, good-old-boy management team in the business. The sooner this announcement is made the better.

General Manager: Gute played the good soldier and kept his mouth shut while his boss drove the roster into the ground between 2015-2017 (hat is while Ted was medically incapable of performing his duties). Murph rewarded Gute for not pointing out Murph’s own managerial malpractice in allowing Ted to remain as GM long past his sell by date by promoting him to succeed Ted.

Gute signed a slew of free agents in 18 & 19 to re-build a shitty roster and many were deceived into thinking he would deviate from his mentor’s draft and develop at all costs approach to roster-building. They were wrong. Gute is mostly Ted without Ted’s early-tenure drafting acumen.

There is no way, in the next 2 seasons, Gute can transform his roster that (a) lacks talent, (b) is way too expensive, and (c) is screwed at the most important position in the game QB. I mean what team would not want to feature a $200M prima donna who is approaching 40 and a 2020 1st and 4th round (Gute) pick who will either never play meaningful snaps in GB or will be forced into action 4 years after his selection with a watered down, talent-deficient roster, right?

Gute is already dead man walking, though Packer management and its apologists among the faithful will continue to deny this reality until the last possible moment (Murph's retirement) in much the same way they refused to accept the Rodgers’ era was over after last season. Gute is here until 2025 and sadly will not be doing what he should be doing, building the roster with an eye on the future rather than trying to seriously compete in 2023 or 2024.

I hope and pray that the next team President understands football sufficiently to realize he should stay the F out of personnel decisions and is willing to hire the best GM candidate possible the way Bob Harlan did with Ron Wolf.

I fear that Pack will do what it has done throughout this century by staying in-house and promoting the most promising yes man inside 1265 Lombardi.

Coaching; MLF just signed an extension and he ain't going nowhere until after the 2025 season (when Murph finally retires) at the earliest. However, just because MLF will be here for at least 3 mores seasons does not mean he has to stick with the status quo.

In fact, adversity can lead to growth and there is no reason that MLF can't take the opportunity to re-charge his coaching staff as soon as this crappy 2022 comes to an end. For instance, is there anyone other than Joe and his close family members who think Barry shouldn't be canned?

2022 Roster; Get rid of Sammy Watkins right now, today. Play Toure, Winfree, Fulgham, some young nobody on another team’s practice squad even Amari Rodgers, but for God sake get rid of Gute’s big offseason signing to replace Davante Adams. Watkins is a symbol of all that is wrong with the team right now – old, bad, and no hope for the future.

Beyond Watkins, give as many young players (Slaton/Wyatt over Lowry, Yosh/Tom at LT over Bakh, Hill at RB, etc.) a chance to play as possible. And do it now. Not starting in week 17. Now. And yes, that includes #10 at QB.

2022 Post-Season; The team has no cap space and is going nowhere in 2023 or 2024 so it is time to cut bait with Bakh, Aaron Jones and any other expensive vet given the cap realities. Let Crosby, J. Reed, Lowry, Lazard, Cobb, Tonyan, Lewis, and E. Jenkins all walk in free agence. Sign no free agents who count against the compensatory draft pick formula and accumulate as many picks as possible. Trade away any assets who won’t be around the next time the team might become viable in 202_?

Finally trade, trade, trade Aaron Rodgers. Eat his salary for 2023 and take the cap hit, but get whatever you can for him and move on. Clinging to the ridiculous notion that 40 year-old Aaron Rodgers will lead the Pack to the promised land in 2023 destroys whatever credibility the FRONT OFFICE retains.

The next 2-3 years promise to be a real shit-show whether the Packers accept their fate and go all in on the re-build or not. Denying that a re-build needs to begin immediately will only extend the pain. 

Sakly, we all know that a re-build ain’t likely happening any time soon because neither Murph nor Gute is willing to admit where the team currently stands nor are they capable of starting, much less completing, such a re-build.

Nonetheless, only the biggest kool aid drinkers can deny that the (too long delayed) re-build should not start today rather than at the end of the season or after Rodgers leaves or after we all get done celebrating Murph's retirement in the summer of 2025.

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Packers will not make any drastic moves until the off-season. And then they wont do anything until Rodgers figures out what he wants to do. If this season ends badly, I think Rodgers comes back one more year. And then next season we hear about the maturity of the WRs picked this year that are ready to take off.

If anybody at 1265 has any questions on how to run the organization at every single level, all they would need to do is sign onto this message board for the answers.  

How is SteveLuke not running a NFL franchise?

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They really can't move on from Bahk and Rodgers.    The dead money cap hit would be so devistating that there really isn't any point to it.   

They are fucked.

Best path forward is to lose a lot of games, trade away players of value for the next 2 to 3 seasons and then be in a position to pounce when Bahk and Rodgers fall off the cap.

@Pakrz posted:

If anybody at 1265 has any questions on how to run the organization at every single level, all they would need to do is sign onto this message board for the answers.  

How is SteveLuke not running a NFL franchise?

He clearly has the time.

The contract restructuring of other players in order to make Rodgers contract extension essentially locks much of the roster in for the next year or 2.  A. Jones is going nowhere.  He's the only playmaker on offense right now and the dead money cap hit is astronomical.

Time to get younger where they can.  M. Lewis, Cobb, Crosby will likely not be back.  Maybe J. Reed and Lowry, too.  Failed draft picks like Amari Rodgers, DeGuara and Jean-Charles will be in camp but could easily be cuts at the end of preseason.  Maybe trade Eric Stokes for a draft pick given the contracts handed to Alexander and Douglas.  Gutey needs to compile draft picks and have excellent drafts over the next 2 years. 

@50k Club posted:

The contract restructuring of other players in order to make Rodgers contract extension essentially locks much of the roster in for the next year or 2.  A. Jones is going nowhere.  He's the only playmaker on offense right now and the dead money cap hit is astronomical.

Time to get younger where they can.  M. Lewis, Cobb, Crosby will likely not be back.  Maybe J. Reed and Lowry, too.  Failed draft picks like Amari Rodgers, DeGuara and Jean-Charles will be in camp but could easily be cuts at the end of preseason.  Maybe trade Eric Stokes for a draft pick given the contracts handed to Alexander and Douglas.  Gutey needs to compile draft picks and have excellent drafts over the next 2 years.

Actually Jones' contract was structured to force a decision after this year. It was a 2 year contract for 20 million guaranteed. The other two years were funny money/make the agent look good figures - another 2 years and 28 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/gr...s/aaron-jones-21924/

In 2023, Jones has a 20 million dollar cap hit but counts only 9.5 million in dead cap if they move on. There is no way they keep that 20 million cap hit. He's either going to restructure to lower that or they'll move on.

If you are going to eat that dead cap anyway, he's a good candidate to trade for a 3rd or 4th round pick. You don't start rebuilds with 29 year old running backs making over 10 million a year.

The smart thing was to move him this trade deadline and get a mini-McCaffrey type package, but the front office was not going to do that because of optics. They were more concerned about leaking the news to friendly reporters that they had tried really, really hard to get Claypool or Waller.

Their thinking probably also was that "we'll beat the Lions and be at 4-5 and hang round as a playoff contender (which is as long as you don't have more than 7 losses you are in it). They are cooked now.

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gutey needs to have the car keys taken away

It's not clear if that is the underlying problem or that Murphy is actually sitting in the passenger seat while Gutey appears to drive independently in one of those cars you use for drivers' ed where the passenger seat has another set of controls.

@FLPACKER posted:

Right now it looks like it would be best for everyone if AR retires after the season.

Once MM pounds the crap out of them in Green Bay this coming Sunday, followed by D. Henry running for 300 the following week, and the Eagles blowing them out in primetime in Philly on Thanksgiving weekend Sunday evening, they'll be 3-9 and essentially eliminated from any remote chance of a playoff berth.

The next day, Rodgers should or will develop a "thumb" injury and have to sit.

It's all about the draft choices.

Have the Packers played a complete (decent) game this year?  

It’s like the organization just ignored how the 2021/2022 season ended and figured they’d be a shoe in to get to 13 wins again and the NFCCG.  

I mean, they wasted no time dealing Adams and made little to no effort to upgrade the roster before or after the draft.  

Several key coaches either came or went in the offseason as well.

Rodgers basically ignores the OTAs and MLF basically blows off the preseason despite having a ton of new faces- players and coaches.

Then we get into the season and figured the Minnesota game was a mirage yet here we are 2 months later and the team hasn’t improved one bit.  

Not sure if it’s overconfidence or arrogance (or both), but the FO and coaching staff totally overestimated how good they are or were and screwed the pooch on building trust and chemistry.   That shit doesn’t happen in a vacuum and the triangle of authority makes it all so much worse.  The lack of leadership is also apparent in the player ranks.  

Perhaps Z and Adams and the coaches that bailed knew more than we thought.  In all aspects the organization is a complete mess and I’m not sure there’s an easy fix.  The most pragmatic thing to do is sit Rodgers and play Love to 1) see what you have in him and 2) position yourself for the future both in terms of improving draft position and assessing overall player talent.  

The issue is compounded because no decent GM will want to join if they know Murphy is out in 2 years.   The health or age to key players like Bak and Jenkins and Jones and now Gary doesn’t make things any easier.  Christian Watson may need to retire sooner than later if he doesn’t want his brain scrambled.

It’s a cluster and I don’t see a reset or refresh but rather a rebuild altogether.  It didn’t have to be this way but that’s where things are.

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I agree, MP.  I also don't disagree with everything SteveLuke says (yes, I read it).  The biggest issue in my mind is, who's in charge of what?  Does Gutey have full say in who they draft, keep or pick up?  If so, getting additional draft picks won't do squat - the guy sucks at drafting.  He hit on Gary and Alexander, that's it.  He did a great job with free agency pickups, but that's too expensive to be a viable way to sustain success.  If Gutey doesn't have full control, which I suspect, then we're hosed until Egomaniac Murphy leaves.  The silo is a horrible idea, which he came up with, because there's no accountability and people get their hands in areas they're not qualified for.

@BrainDed posted:

They really can't move on from Bahk and Rodgers.    The dead money cap hit would be so devistating that there really isn't any point to it.   

They are fucked.

Best path forward is to lose a lot of games, trade away players of value for the next 2 to 3 seasons and then be in a position to pounce when Bahk and Rodgers fall off the cap.

They had a shot at this deadline to trade several players*, and they wouldn't do it in the stuid hope of making a WC. This team has no chance at a SB appearance and they thought a WC was a big deal and ended up doing nothing.

* Aaron Jones and Rashan Gary could have brought in some nice draft picks.

I don't think we're that far off. The defense needs a DC and a lineman. The offense needs a line and a couple receivers that can play the position. Special teams could use a long snapper. Thinking about the next three years, one year we draft offensive linemen, one year we draft receivers, and in whichever year Arch Manning declares for the draft we package our entire draft for him since we have confirmed Gutey can't draft anyone anyway. Each of those 3 years we invite every undrafted free agent long snapper into camp until we find one. Under this plan if neither Slaton nor Wyatt pan out then when KC gets too old he will just have to lay down to at least make the other team have to step over him.

if the reports are true that GB was serious about Claypool (for a 2) and Waller (price unknown) then they should fire Gute immediately.  

In retrospect?  They should have been sellers with Aaron Jones being top of the list.  He’s likely going to be a cap casualty in the offseason anyway, and this team is several good players away from being a serious contender with or without Rodgers.

Just think - they could have gotten a haul similar to Seattle for Rodgers in the offseason and assuming GB tanks this year the combined sum of picks and players gets them that much closer to being relevant again.  

At this point, they have to play Love and/or tank to maximize the value of their suck this year.  If they lose out or maybe win one more game there’s a good chance they are picking within the top 5.

The absolute worst place to be around .500.  Good enough to give false hope but bad enough to miss the postseason and get middle round picks.  If not 13-4 it’s going to need to be 4-13.   Let’s go!

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@Tschmack posted:

if the reports are true that GB was serious about Claypool (for a 2) and Waller (price unknown) then they should fire Gute immediately.  

In retrospect?  They should have been sellers with Aaron Jones being top of the list.  He’s likely going to be a cap casualty in the offseason anyway, and this team is several good players away from being a serious contender with or without Rodgers.

Just think - they could have gotten a haul similar to Seattle for Rodgers in the offseason and assuming GB tanks this year the combined sum of picks and players gets them that much closer to being relevant again.  

At this point, they have to play Love and/or tank to maximize the value of their suck this year.  If they lose out or maybe win one more game there’s a good chance they are picking within the top 5.

The absolute worst place to be around .500.  Good enough to give false hope but bad enough to miss the postseason and get middle round picks.  If not 13-4 it’s going to need to be 4-13.   Let’s go!

We agree. Aaron Jones could have brought some nice picks and Rashan Gary as well. Gary is a UFA after 2023.

@Shadow posted:

I don't think we're that far off. The defense needs a DC and a lineman. The offense needs a line and a couple receivers that can play the position. Special teams could use a long snapper. Thinking about the next three years, one year we draft offensive linemen, one year we draft receivers, and in whichever year Arch Manning declares for the draft we package our entire draft for him since we have confirmed Gutey can't draft anyone anyway. Each of those 3 years we invite every undrafted free agent long snapper into camp until we find one. Under this plan if neither Slaton nor Wyatt pan out then when KC gets too old he will just have to lay down to at least make the other team have to step over him.

IOW they need just about everything.

There are now reports they offered a first round pick to the Panthers for DJ Moore.

https://pantherswire.usatoday....p;utm_source=twitter

I'm guessing these are more leaks from the Packers front office to get ahead of the blame game on the failure to improve the position. It will be "look we tried." November was not the time to do this. Who knows if any of these rumors are real.

@D J posted:

The team is done for 2022, it is toast, and cap hell awaits but an attitude like yours is typical of fans.

Just because this season is toast and cap hell awaits, doesn't mean you trade your best players.  Aaron Jones  would make sense due to age.

@D J posted:

We agree. Aaron Jones could have brought some nice picks and Rashan Gary as well. Gary is a UFA after 2023.

Gary's contract negotiations just got a lot more complicated. Even if you don't extend him and wanted to move him, no one is going to look at him until 10-11 months into his rehab.

Just like Jenkins' ACL last year, he's not going to be anywhere near 100% before this time next year.

Just because this season is toast and cap hell awaits, doesn't mean you trade your best players.  Aaron Jones  would make sense due to age.

Aaron Jones and Adrian Amos are both likely gone next year. They are not guys that you are going to anchor a rebuild with at their age. They would have been logical guys to trade for a mid (Jones) or a late (Amos) draft pick.

Before his ACL injury, Gary is the type of guy you want to extend. Pass rushers are always at a premium, and he had 16 sacks in his last 22 games.

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@D J posted:


* Aaron Jones and Rashan Gary could have brought in some nice draft picks

I came here assuming the stupidest thing I would read would come from SteveLuke. 

Thanks for proving me wrong again

This team  is snake bit. Yes 30 years of Pro Bowl level QB'S  but 2 Super Bowl titles. Should have been more.But injuries that set the team back like Nick Collins, Jordy's knee and rib shot, Bacteria 2 years+ knee, Jenkins ,Tonyan and now Gary. Plus the Fail Mary , Bostick. Shitty calls and non calls. What was it? 6 or 7 starters dropped out of the game yesterday. Look at the Vikings. What, they lost a TE? I don't think they're missing anyone else. Plus the guy who replaced him has like an 8 catch game. Detroit had two practice squad guys catching TD'S yesterday.

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Aaron Jones and Adrian Amos are both likely gone next year. They are not guys that you are going to anchor a rebuild with at their age. They would have been logical guys to trade for a mid (Jones) or a late (Amos) draft pick.

Before his ACL injury, Gary is the type of guy you want to extend. Pass rushers are always at a premium, and he had 16 sacks in his last 22 games.

Isn't that what I said?

No need, I just received some mail today from MM informing me that the credit card I have on file for Pay As We Play playoffs tickets will be charged immediately after our home playoffs game is confirmed later this season.

All is well. We can carry on and do what we do.

@NumberThree posted:

No need, I just received some mail today from MM informing me that the credit card I have on file for Pay As We Play playoffs tickets will be charged immediately after our home playoffs game is confirmed later this season.

All is well. We can carry on and do what we do.

Well, I for one just feel silly now. Go Pack Go!

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