Thought's on today's game?

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Originally posted by R MaN:
I'm really pleased with the Packers secondary... And their young..

You're pleased with their children?

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Originally posted by Hungry5:

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Originally posted by PackLandVA:
At what point might Chuck being out there be considered a potential "liability"?

I read an article the other day in which Woodson was called the Packers best slot cover CB... I immediately thought no, he's not. Hugely valuable and nowhere near a liability, but he can't cover anymore like he could even just last season.

Might be Chucks last season in GB...especially when you consider his salary next year.

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Originally posted by PackLandVA:

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Originally posted by Mcpacker64:

- poor pass rush. Often only 3 D men

Disagree - had 5 sacks without Clay, and the interior d-line really pushed the pocket back on a lot of plays. I actually thought Pickett, Raji and Co. played well.

Agree with your disagree. Pass rush was good today.

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Originally posted by Fandame:
Jones also came up with some good stops.

Nice transition to the interior.

- I thought the safeties were pretty bad most of the game but got bailed out by horrible passes from Stafford. They let megatron get wide open behind them several times. Even the pick 6 should have been a long completion to the TE, but was off target and deflected off his hands.

+ good to see pressure in spite of Matthews being out. Also, I didn't even notice Lang at RT, so he must have been at least OK.

md jennings looks like a very fast, instinctive player for a safety. thoughts?

Gotta admit that before and even during the game today, I agreed with FreeSafety in that I had Pakrz -like thoughts.

Huge win against a desperate, albeit terribly coached team on the road with the JV's.

Seriously - that defense looked like the second half of preseason games on paper, and they got it done.

Credos to Dan Comper.

IMO you can make a good argument that Ryan Pickett is the team's defensive MVP this season. Outstanding today and consistently terrific all season.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:

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Originally posted by Hungry5:

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Originally posted by PackLandVA:
At what point might Chuck being out there be considered a potential "liability"?

I read an article the other day in which Woodson was called the Packers best slot cover CB... I immediately thought no, he's not. Hugely valuable and nowhere near a liability, but he can't cover anymore like he could even just last season.

Might be Chucks last season in GB...especially when you consider his salary next year.

No doubt he'd be willing to take a cut if Ted and Mike can sit him down and present the case correctly. He'd be held in less esteem on any other team (since he'd be the new guy learning a new system) and odds are his only way of maintaining or increasing his amount of snaps would be to go to a lesser team. His best interests as a player are in Green Bay. If he wants to win more championships, he stays; if he wants to make $500,000-1,000,000 more (and even that may be stretching it) while playing for a loser, he'll go elsewhere.

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5 rookies if I counted right

I went back and looked at the last play on DVR. That is who was on the field on D for us to protect the W.

Woodson's under contract for next season at $9M ($6.5M base, $2.5M bonus). Can't imagine the Packers paying that. I think he'll have to take a major pay cut to return, if the Packers even want him back for another season.

- Looks like Alex Green played himself into a nice seat on the sidelines.. I would guess he had under 10 snaps today as Cobb was in the backfield more often.

- All the LB's were great today. Hawk was huge against the run today and the oitside guys got good preasure.. Moses is making Walden replaceable in 2013 for half the cost.. Perry, Clay and Moses for depth next year.

- I hate Jim Shorts.

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Originally posted by heyward:
Woodson's under contract for next season at $9M ($6.5M base, $2.5M bonus). Can't imagine the Packers paying that. I think he'll have to take a major pay cut to return, if the Packers even want him back for another season.

No one else will even give him half of that to come in as an old vet learning a new system in a new locker room. I think both sides will be fine with cutting that in half to keep his veteran leadership in the locker room of a winning team that he's been a part of for what will by 2013 be exactly half of his career.

Starks looks faster than he ever has. Bye did wonders I think. But will he last? Not hosing my breath.

The pass rush was excellent. D still leaves too many open receivers, but they didn't pay for it today with all the errant throws and drops.

I like winning when Rodgers was so off today. The INT might have been his worst throw as a Packer. To still get the win when it counts is a great sign.

The team needs to rally around Crosby. Jennings getting him to smile and relax showed great leadership. He's struggling, but they're going to need him in the end. I hope he can use that last kick as a catapult.

Bring on the Gints...

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Originally posted by BrainDed:
- Looks like Alex Green played himself into a nice seat on the sidelines.. I would guess he had under 10 snaps today as Cobb was in the backfield more often.

Seems like MM wants Starks to find the same spark he had 2 years ago, get him rolling late and during the push into the playoffs. I like Green, but he's not the 1st and 2nd down back that Starks is capable of being. Starks and a healthy Benson, with Green at his more natural 3rd down back position would be a nice addition come playoff time, and give Rodgers some time and space to look downfield.

Green might be OK behind a line that can run block, but Starks is the best option behind this group. Starks runs harder than Green and he can drag tacklers for an extra yard or two.

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- All the LB's were great today. Hawk was huge against the run today and the oitside guys got good preasure.. Moses is making Walden replaceable in 2013 for half the cost.. Perry, Clay and Moses for depth next year.

Walden is having a very good season, had two sacks today and several pressures. He wasn't worth a damn last season but has turned it around. He'll be back.

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Moses, Heyward and M.D. Jennings!
Starks. I've been waiting for him to get a chance, and i like him far more than Green.
Having Jordy back, even if he only got, what, 2 catches?
Finley is back!
Corn on the Cobb
Masthay is money! Dude deserves more props.
as per the other thread, Greg Jennings loosening crosby up before the last fG! Great team guy!


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Mike Neal's offsides. getting tired of this guy. Don't see much upside.
Offensive line problems. wish we'd keep Kuhn or more TE's in the help protect Rodgers, 'cuz
without him we are ToAST.
Crosby's misses are troubling, but with lots and lots of practice and encouragement, he can correct it.
Saw Raji leave at end of game. Hope he's okay and will be back soon.
Refs. How much money did they take to give all those early bogus calls to Detroit?
Brad Jones is just a guy. Hope we get the ClayMaker back soon.

my life flashed before me when the Detroit Linemen picked up Rodgers and was looking like he was going to absolutely body slam him thru the turf to China. no doubt if he would have done than it would have been a devastating injury. Thank God it wasn't Suh that had him up there. He has no conscience. Rodgers owes that guy bigtime. In fact it looked like Rodgers eyes were big as saucers after that play probably realizing how close he came to being knocked out.

Yeah, the guy could have easily Charles Martined him right there. The fact that it was Field Turf may have softened the blow to some degree (whereas Soldier Field was green concrete in '86), but it still would have been bad. I have a feeling that the Lions are going to be a lot less restrained in those situations at Lambeau if their season continues to go south.

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Originally posted by RoyalWulff:
Brad Jones is just a guy. Hope we get the ClayMaker back soon.

Brad Jones is not an OLB anymore, Clay Matthews returning has no bearing on the fact that Jones is now starting as an ILB next to Hawk. He actually played well today in that capacity. He certainly has been an upgrade over DJ Smith.

Secondary is better without Woodson. Make him the dime back.

Walden was solid today. Again. Yeah, please just pay him.

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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Originally posted by bubbleboy789:

> Pass rush, completely non-existant without Matthews in there

They had five sacks today and hurried Stafford into some incompletions. Thought it was a decent performance.

To be honest I didn't see all that much of the game. So i guess i really can't presume too much.

When i was watching it didn't look like they were getting much pressure. But 5 sacks says a lot. Especially against an offensive line that's been pretty solid and without matthews.

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Originally posted by Pistol GB:
Secondary is better without Woodson. Make him the dime back.

Walden was solid today. Again. Yeah, please just pay him.

..and Raji, CM3, Jennings and Rodgers.

Reality in the NFL is that you cant keep everyone. Ted will meed to continue to find guys like Walden, Moses, Jones, Shields who make peanuts yet perform better than average players.. Only way you cay lock up your stars long term and keep winning.

Walden should get paid, Ted shouldnt be the guy issuing the check.

"And that's MD Jennings' first interception of the season...should be his second."
- Joe Buck

kudos to Buck for saying that - I missed that during the game.
usually can't stand the guy but I'll give him a golf clap for throwing that in.

The talent TT has assembled in our secondary is stunning. Ball awareness, swatting it away, great coverage skills. Can you believe Hayward was available in the second round? Didn't TT trade up to get him? If so, another brilliant move. What I also love is the solid tackling they've been showing.

WOW!! I never saw where Nick Fairly started to Charles Martin Rodgers then luckily stopped. Scary looking highlight.

http://youtu.be/-ZfV9PVS48k

Did everyone see the shot of Rodgers on the sideline right before Detroit's last gasp play and assumed hail mary attempt.

Very animated waving his arms up and down yelling, "knock it down! knock it down!".

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Originally posted by cuqui:
Excellent post, Pack Foo.

It was so excellent he wants to replace Sitton.

@WesHod
Aaron Rodgers on what he was thinking when Nick Fairley picked him up: "What are you doing?"

In Rodgers post-gamer last night he mentioned that he and Finley had been spending a lot of time together lately...


@Packerpedia
Finley on his performance: "It's big for the team to get me and 12 on the same page for this last stretch going into the playoffs."

It was a smart move for Fairley to not slam him. He keeps doing crap like that he's going to wind up with a messed up knee courtesy of some OL who is getting payback. Happened to him when he was Auburn and he took about half a dozen cheap shots at Georgia's QB. Those OL started paying him back and he had to leave the game.

Game winning TD drive:


1st play from scrimmage @ 4:19

1-10-GB 18 (4:19) J.Starks up the middle to GB 29 for 11 yards (D.Levy)
Very good blocking from EDS - Saturday - Sitton with EDS doing a nice job on Fairly who had a very good game for DET overall

1-10-GB 29 (3:47) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to J.Nelson.

2-10-GB 29 (3:43) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Finley to DET 31 for 40 yards (R.Silva).
The blocking outside from Cobb and Nelson shows how unselfish this team is, and Finley was smart to take it outside as Nelson had the edge sealed.

1-10-DET 31 (3:12) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Finley to DET 25 for 6 yards (D.Levy).

2-4-DET 25 (2:44) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Starks right tackle to DET 22 for 3 yards (D.Levy; S.Tulloch).

3-1-DET 22 (2:02) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep left to R.Cobb for 22 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Cobb. Great ball awareness on that play.

For a team that couldn't do much all game and had zero rhythm, that was a championship type drive.

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3-1-DET 22 (2:02) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep left to R.Cobb for 22 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Where's the weeping, hand-wringing, and gnashing of teeth? 3rd and 1 and MM goes deep? When does the crucifixion begin?

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Originally posted by Pack-Man:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RoyalWulff:
He certainly has been an upgrade over DJ Smith.

A huge upgrade. Remember when we were so surprised he wasn't cut? Perhaps, MM and TT know what they are doing.

BTW, another good game by AJ Hawk.

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Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
When i was watching it didn't look like they were getting much pressure. But 5 sacks says a lot. Especially against an offensive line that's been pretty solid and without matthews.

Well, I'm not saying they were the '85 Bears, but I was pleased with the pass rush.

Great point, Schapp.

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Originally posted by Schaap:

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3-1-DET 22 (2:02) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep left to R.Cobb for 22 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Where's the weeping, hand-wringing, and gnashing of teeth? 3rd and 1 and MM goes deep? When does the crucifixion begin?

It was 4 down territory. It was a good call.

Did McCarthy go deep on 3rd and 1 or is that Rodger's decision based on what the D is giving him?