Tramon

****, I don't want to talk about this guy anymore. The more y'all talk the more I think he will cost us next week.

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Tramon had a very bad game, but he's had a very good season.

At best he's had a "good" year. I remember too many times seeing him give up long pass plays or avoiding contact on a ball carrier. The run-and-hide vs. Calvin in DET sticks out the most. He's been better than last year, for sure, but definitely not back to where he was in 2010. Back then, he definitely was not a finesse corner. He was the most physical pure corner on that team. Just rewatch the PO run.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:
Tramon on missed tackles:

The missed tackles back, Green Bay doesn't have a ton of time to find a solution. “It may be a pattern of the guy we play," said Williams when asked why the missed tackles returned. "I don’t know. Obviously, he’s a great back. He breaks a lot of tackles. I have no explanation for it. That’s about it, I guess.”

I have an explanation Sally... You're a ****ing pussy.

Yep. Hope his team mates watch that play he ducked out on hitting AP and give him sh*t for it. That was beyond pathetic.

I want to e-mail him a link to this thread. Maybe it will make him mad enough to go out there are hit someone.

Any truth to the rumour that Darren Sharper is his personal Coach? O'le!!

I know, beating a dead horse.. but Tramon was dreadful. Since I don't think I saw it mentioned in this thread I thought I'd just remind everyone of the play where he lined up 10 yards off of some fatso and then got himself run over by said fatso. C'mon man.

Bench him in the rematch for someone with a spine.

I think you're talking about the 2nd or 3rd and long play... Minny swung a FB out of the backfield and Tramon wanted nothing to do with the guy running right at him. Just another example of Sally being an unwilling tackler out there today.

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Originally posted by ShebPackFan:

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IIRC after the Viking game at Lambeau, the NFLN showed "Soundtracks" from the game and the Vikes players and coaches were joking with AP on the sidelines saying "#38 don't want nothin' to do with you".

And they were right.

Tramon needs to watch/hear this sveral times a day until the rematch. And feature it in the film room.

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Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
I want to e-mail him a link to this thread. Maybe it will make him mad enough to go out there are hit someone.

Hope you do. Tramon, you suck. You should give back your paycheck for that game.

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I think you're talking about the 2nd or 3rd and long play... Minny swung a FB out of the backfield and Tramon wanted nothing to do with the guy running right at him. Just another example of Sally being an unwilling tackler out there today.

This. Even more pathetic. The guy caught THREE passes all season.

Ap will bounce out again next week and it will be up to Tramon. Not sure how the result is going to be different if he won't tackle. What's up with Tramon? Is his shoulder still hurting?

Will the cold and the natural (almost) turf at Lambeau be favorable to AP or the D?

Maybe Pnder has smaller hands and won't be able to grip the ball in the cold

I see you're all on it. Was thinking I might start a fill in the blank thread based on "Tramon Williams is ______." Correct answer would have been: "a liability in the run game." not to mention having gotten stupider with that 3rd and goal horse**** wipe out a FG and make it a TD rookie frustration showing my moron card and paving a way out of football mistake.

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Originally posted by Hauser:
Will the cold and the natural (almost) turf at Lambeau be favorable to AP or the D?

Maybe Pnder has smaller hands and won't be able to grip the ball in the cold

Ask Samantha about those hands....you know what they say about small hands....

Do you guys think he will resign by the pack? I would think that shields, house, and Hayward (plus another rookie) will be the starting db's of the future. Thoughts?

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Originally posted by Hauser:
Will the cold and the natural (almost) turf at Lambeau be favorable to AP or the D?

Maybe Pnder has smaller hands and won't be able to grip the ball in the cold

I don't know, he rang up 210 yards against us a few weeks ago....

Brutal take down of Tramon in Press-Gazette analysis of game. Multiple specific examples of where he refused to tackle. Their takeaway--bench Tramon on any running down for Woodson or House...

http://www.packersnews.com/art...-Williams-timid-play

wow. don't think I can ever recall one player getting called out quite that way in one of those game reviews.

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Originally posted by slowmo:
Brutal take down of Tramon in Press-Gazette analysis of game. Multiple specific examples of where he refused to tackle. Their takeaway--bench Tramon on any running down for Woodson or House...

http://www.packersnews.com/art...-Williams-timid-play

That was brutal. I repeat that he played like the shoulder is an issue and Minny knew he does not want to tackle. They may have to take him out on obvious running downs. That will be attacked but better chancing it against their WR's (whom the Packers made look the NY Giants) and Ponder (who the Packers made look like Tom Brady)than letting AP run wild.

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Originally posted by slowmo:
Brutal take down of Tramon in Press-Gazette analysis of game. Multiple specific examples of where he refused to tackle. Their takeaway--bench Tramon on any running down for Woodson or House...

http://www.packersnews.com/art...-Williams-timid-play

Ouch, Cliffy tore Tramon a new one there. No one even giving him the benefit of the doubt, evidence too clear.

Pretty accurate picture of how bad he was yesterday.

Tramon was as physical a DB as they had in 2010 so I have to think he's trying to protect that shoulder.

No matter the case, he needs to sell out and leave it all on the field saturday night or there will be nothing left to play for. Hopefully Woodson can make that clear to him. His and our D's only other hope is that the O gets out front early.

One would think being called out as a complete pussy would motivate him to step up or admit he's not healthy enough to handle it except for obvious passing downs.

That would really only be for the fans. I'm sure the coaching staff and his teammates know what the deal is and have known all season but decided he was still the best option. And until yesterday they were mostly right. Now they have to decide if that is still true.

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Originally posted by slowmo:
Brutal take down of Tramon in Press-Gazette analysis of game. Multiple specific examples of where he refused to tackle. Their takeaway--bench Tramon on any running down for Woodson or House...

http://www.packersnews.com/art...-Williams-timid-play

Against the Vikings they are all running downs.

I can't imagine the hand wringing or bed wetting if Campen coached the secondary, but yet no mention of Whitt or Perry, I wonder why???

You can coach a guy to play football. You can't coach a guy to grow testicles.

Its amazing as Williams had been playing at a high level before the queens game and now he is useless as a third tit on a bullfrog.

He goes from shutting down top receivers withgood games to running away from all day.

Hopefully something lights a fire under his anus and he plays lights out in the playoffs.

Did Tramon have a bad game? Absolutely. But some of the comments in this thread are downright ridiculous. Williams could start at CB on most teams in the league and any GM would tell you that. He's had a pretty good year.

It's the same BS with Shields and Hayward. They didn't play well either but some experts think we should dump them yesterday. That's a whole lot of dumb if you ask me.

The linebackers also sucked yesterday in run defense yet it's all Tramon's fault? Okey dokey.

Maybe they should have benched Rodgers after the first two series when they went 3 and out.

Tramon had a terrible game. Is it because he can't or becasue he won't?

We will have an answer in 5 days.

Next possession, Peterson gains 28 with Williams putting forth no effort to make the tackle. That was a huge play. It was second-and-27 and the Vikings finished the drive with a touchdown.

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Originally posted by slowmo:
Brutal take down of Tramon in Press-Gazette analysis of game. Multiple specific examples of where he refused to tackle. Their takeaway--bench Tramon on any running down for Woodson or House...

http://www.packersnews.com/art...-Williams-timid-play


That play was the ball game for all practical purposes. It said it was okay to run in a tight game on second-and-27 or anytime they wanted. Every guy on that defense knew what was going on too. I am sure there will be leaders visiting a certain player.

2 picks on Saturday.

I hope Tramon has a subscription to the PG. To me if he shows any inclination to play the same way this coming weekend early in the game, whether it is because he is hurt or because he is scared, you go with Woody, House or Bush for this game. The Pack cannot just continue to have that kind of play from that corner. They are better off eliminating that weak link in the run game and take their chances against Ponder with whatever other corner they put in.

Then if they get past the Vikes you put your cover corner back in the game.

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Originally posted by macdaddy:
I hope Tramon has a subscription to the PG. To me if he shows any inclination to play the same way this coming weekend early in the game, whether it is because he is hurt or because he is scared, you go with Woody, House or Bush for this game. The Pack cannot just continue to have that kind of play from that corner. They are better off eliminating that weak link in the run game and take their chances against Ponder with whatever other corner they put in.

Then if they get past the Vikes you put your cover corner back in the game.

....exactly what I was thinking....amazes me the seemingly unwillingness to make guys accountable. This is nothing new with Willimas, he's been ducking tackles all season, everyone must see it, heck the Vikes game planned for this the first time we played, they saw it on film....you know our coaches & players saw it too. By continuing to play this guy when he refuses contact is not a good message to send to the entire team, it is saying that we ignore certain things for certain players. The message should clearly be "Tramon, if you don't want to tackle, you can't play"....

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Originally posted by Goalline:
Against the Vikings they are all running downs.

Amen, Goalline.
There were a few plays where it may have beem 3rd & 4, where I fully expected a rush attempt, but it was like the Vikes were doing us a favor by going to pass plays.
They also had a few series in the second half wher they would pass on 1st down, rush on 2nd, and pass again on 3rd and medium situations. I thought it strange at the time, but it worked for them in the end.

Woodson has a collarbone and House a shoulder. Tell me more about them being viable options to replace Williams on running plays.

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Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
Woodson has a collarbone and House a shoulder. Tell me more about them being viable options to replace Williams on running plays.

....not about the physical condition...it's about the "want to", you can't have a defensive football player who is ducking contact & keep talking about having a "physical football team", you lose credibility if your players see it on film & the whole league knows it. Go to the "Big Oakie" alignment that we used in Capers first year, with 5 LBers.

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Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
Woodson has a collarbone and House a shoulder. Tell me more about them being viable options to replace Williams on running plays.

I put them in the order of who I thought would be the best option if they are available. I am fully aware of the health status of woody and house. If they are not healthy enough to go then you go with Bush. You have to have a guy that can tackle on that corner this week.

I'm not sure if I want to see more of Frank Zombo on the field. Like some others suggested earlier, I'd much rather see the most physical DB the Packers have - Jarrod Bush - on the field instead of Tramon Williams. After the first time Tramon plays like a puss, I immediately make the change. Let Chrissy Ponder burn Bush as opposed to having AP run at will toward Tramon.

Could it be that part of Williams' "want to" is being affected by a shoulder that may not be the same again?