TT / Playoffs

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Haynesworth is far and away better than anyone we have on our defensive line.

Does that include when he's watching from the sidelines on crutches?

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The only real signature game we have for this whole season....

Yeah the Cowboys, Niners, Lions on Thanksgiving & Ravens on Monday Night mean nothing.

On Sunday when we sweep the Bears, that won't mean anything either. 8-4 means nothing. I don't know why they even bother playing the games this year. They should just forfeit.

The only team that might be in the top 10 of teams in the NFL on that list Boris is Dallas. Even they are like 8th-12th on a lot of power ranking lists. Baltimore is average (not signature at all), Detroit??? - ur kidding i hope, and the Niners - below average to average.


We have 4 and 1 loss against 4 of the 5 worst teams in the NFL. STL, CLE, DET, and TB. It's highly unusual to get so many bottom feeders on the schdeule like we have gotten. At this point I dont think Dallas will make the playoffs. If that happens, it is likely that we could end up not having beaten a playoff team to make the playoffs. Pittsburgh needs to beat us to make the playoffs essentially and Arizona isnt even guaranteed to be playing its starters versus us in week 17.

It's a little concerning that we do not have a signature win. If Dallas is the signature win and they dont even make the playoffs.. i think we should be concerned.

Against our schedule. Any reasonably decent team should be 8-4. That's just the truth. I do think the Packers are improving and I think we are capable of winning in the playoffs. I'd rather avoid teams like Philiadelphia and Arizona.. but it looks like we will be at one of the two come January in the playoffs. If we dont make the playoffs with our schedule, they should put Thompson and McCarthy on the first flight out of GB.

Jeff Sagarin's rankings are a good barometer of where teams are IMO.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl09.htm

Packers are currently rated #12.. which is about right, but a little low. We should be higher than Baltimore (they are really hurting it seems), but our strength of schedule of 32 shows that we havent played/beaten much of anyone of significance this year.

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Detroit??? - ur kidding i hope,

No I'm not kidding. Sure the Lions are a bad football team and we were supposed to win but you act like all we had to do was show up and collect our victory. It doesn't work that way in the NFL. That was the 2nd time we played that team and it was their Super Bowl. We always have trouble with them on Thanksgiving. I was thankful we won but the Packers earned that one. It may not have been "signature" but it's tough to beat ANY team on a short week. We beat 3 teams in 11 days. (Cowboys, Niners, Lions) That's pretty damn tough for any team to do.

So basically you're saying the only teams we MIGHT have had a "signature" win against would be Minnesota or Cinci. Let's just say I disagree. You can only play who is on your schedule. That's a damn good Baltimore team we just beat even without Suggs and Ed Reed. It doesn't get any easier having to play the Bears a 2nd time on a short week.

TT's methods got us to the NFC CG and your "hero" Brett decided to act like a little puss boy in cold weather.

It's not about who you play it's when you play them. We were playing the Cowboys when they were on a 4 game winning streak and most people (that includes you) thought the Packers had no shot of beating them. Yes that was a monumental win and if you can't see that, you should see an eye doctor immediately

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Originally posted by Boris:

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Detroit??? - ur kidding i hope,

No I'm not kidding.

Beating Detroit, STL, CLE, and whoops TB should be givens. That is why people pick us to beat these teams at a higher than 9/10 clip to do so. Nothing is ever for certain... but there are games you should win if you come to play and make an effort to earn your paycheck. Beating Detroit is not signature. We obviously do disagree on that. I feel safe to say most of x4 if asked impartially to define the detroit win as a signature win or not, im pretty sure that people would quantify the Detroit matchup(s) as a game that you need to win at a very high clip and with ease.

I'm not getting into TT's methods in this thread. He is a gross example of a terribly average GM that is perpetually rebuilding. If the Packers want to win a superbowl, they need to get a GM that is not afraid of making the moves that will put the team over the top.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Beating Detroit is not signature. We obviously do disagree on that.

We do??? Please comprehend my post/quote listed below.

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Originally posted by Boris:
That was the 2nd time we played that team and it was their Super Bowl. We always have trouble with them on Thanksgiving. I was thankful we won but the Packers earned that one. It may not have been "signature" but it's tough to beat ANY team on a short week. We beat 3 teams in 11 days. (Cowboys, Niners, Lions) That's pretty damn tough for any team to do.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
I'm not getting into TT's methods in this thread. He is a gross example of a terribly average GM that is perpetually rebuilding. If the Packers want to win a superbowl, they need to get a GM that is not afraid of making the moves that will put the team over the top.

Would one of those moves include trading UP into the 1st round using THREE draft picks to take Clay Matthews? Or delving into Free Agency and signing guys like Pickett and C-Wood & Chillar? Or getting rid of Javon Walker and drafting Greg Jennings? or dumping a diva QB because he has a young stud on the bench?

TT has some brass balls to do all that.

You vastly underestimate TT. When a 5 time GM of the year (Bill Polian) praises you, that's some pretty high praise. Let's not forget TT won GM of the year too. Mediocre GM's don't win those awards, instead they GM teams like St. Louis, Cleveland or Chicago

Got anymore schtick to run tonight? Like your Favre bashing in 2007?

Diggr, probably time to take another look at Minnesota the Great, eh?


Wins:

Detroit, Detroit, St. Louis, Cleveland, Seattle (half of their victories)

San Francisco (last second td) (at Minny Dome)

Baltimore (Ravens miss fg in final seconds) (at Minny Dome)


5 cakewalks and 2 lucky ones = 7 wins (out of 10)

They beat the Bears (blowing them out). That's 8.

The first Green Bay game they won by a td at Minny Dome. Lee dropped one in the endzone that hit his chest. And Bigby was out, with Martin playing. Here's Packers.com assessment preceding the second game: "The biggest change here is the return of Atari Bigby as a starting safety for the Packers. Bigby missed three straight games after injuring his knee in the season opener, the Minnesota contest the last in that streak.

His replacement at the Metrodome, Derrick Martin, was either out of position or missed the tackle on at least three critical plays - a 16-yard pass to Bernard Berrian on third-and-11 that led to a touchdown, a 43-yard catch-and-run by Percy Harvin down to the Green Bay 3, and a 31-yard TD toss to Berrian on the opening drive of the second half."

One player causing all of that.

We lost by a td.

That's 9 wins for the Vikes.

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Three away games:

They lose to Pittsburgh.

They lose to Arizona.

And they beat Green Bay at Green Bay with both of our starting tackles out, Finley out, Nelson out, Jackson out, Chillar and Hall out. They catch Green Bay at their most injured in the season and win.

That's 10 wins.

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Please explain again to me how AWESOME the ******* are.

It's stupid to say GB isn't deserving of their record. If you are going to rip the Packers then you can certainly rip the ******* because they've played just about the same schedule- the only difference is that GB hasn't played Pittsburgh or Seattle yet but the Vikes haven't played Dallas (but will play the Giants later on).

Sure they did beat GB twice, and they should get credit for that, but GB is playing at a different level right now and the injuries aren't as bad now as they were back then.

For sure, I think the ******* should be worried about their ability to compete with the big boys too. Especially after being throttled by AZ this week. They look like they didnt have energy and were outclassed by AZ. They have the 31st rated SOS, they are just as bad as us as not having played anyone. But, the major difference is they are 10-2, we are 8-4.. and they beat us twice. Until we get a chance at redemption, it's hard to say we are better than them and not be substantially able to argue that point. I do think we can beat them, I think we have a good chance at it. We really havent "stepped our game up" against any of the better teams in the league (except maybe Dallas.. but they seem primed for another December collapse) I do agree with your point that we cant control our schedule. I couldnt agree more, but at the same time we need to realize that this team's success COULD be a product of the quality of opponent we are playing. I want to see us prove ourselves against the teams like Arizona (and in the wild card round). Im just not sure if we are better than Philly or AZ.

Nice post Who!

I will take Pickett, Jolly, Jenkins, or Raji over Haynesworth. His best football is behind him......Mark it down!

There's no way Diggy rips the *******, because then he starts going where he absolutely does not want to go.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:



If that happens, it is likely that we could end up not having beaten a playoff team to make the playoffs. Pittsburgh needs to beat us to make the playoffs essentially and Arizona isnt even guaranteed to be playing its starters versus us in week 17.

Only you would care about something as silly as this. I don't care who we beat or who we lose to in the regular season if we make the playoffs. I only care if we beat other playoff teams in the playoffs. That's all that matters

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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:


There's no way Diggy rips the *******, because then he starts going where he absolutely does not want to go.

Oh please. Just because I call a 5 year run by our GM average... because it has been average. You guys really need to get your heads out of the sand. I can admit if i'm wrong. I have no problem with admitting that my opinion was off if that is where it leads. I'm sorry, I dont see how you can get excited about a GM that takes a team that was basically a perennial playoff team since the mid-90s and turn it into a pillar of mediocrity in the NFL.

I love you guys. If someone criticizes Ted Tin Man Thompson and his minion.. the horror.. they must be a Viking fan. PLEASE. I didnt like Ted Thompson even prior to #4 leaving.

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Originally posted by ammo:

Only you would care about something as silly as this. I don't care who we beat or who we lose to in the regular season if we make the playoffs. I only care if we beat other playoff teams in the playoffs. That's all that matters

Only I care about that? You dont think they will be talking about that come playoff time on the lead-in shows? Riiiiight.

Who cares what they talk about. The only thing that matters is the results on the field. The talking heads don't make the results of the games, or maybe you think they do.

Of course he does ammo. Why do you think he brings up rankings and such? He can't think for himself, so he finds stuff that supposedly backs up his "argument" and says, "SEE??? I told you so!!!" Weak.

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Would one of those moves include trading UP into the 1st round using THREE draft picks to take Clay Matthews? Or delving into Free Agency and signing guys like Pickett and C-Wood & Chillar? Or getting rid of Javon Walker and drafting Greg Jennings? or dumping a diva QB because he has a young stud on the bench?

Why don't you address this Chiggar? Ooops...

link to article?

What is this thread, Boris? All sorts of moved replies... are you putting in the time to consolidate Diggy's sorry meltdowns in one place? I guess it saves bandwidth, but why bother if all that's left is "GB hasn't beaten anyone I think is good." The X4 self-parody is what it is, and let's remember that the ilk has had a tough week - the Queenies and Brent got beat, GB won a big game and has won four in a row and it's starting to look like they'll push their way into the playoffs barring some sort of collapse.

It's hard to go this long without a GB loss to celebrate - look at the other cockroaches who are nowhere to be found these days when things are going well - but they'll be back when GB loses another game in droves.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
I really enjoyed Monday's win, but until they beat a team that is actually good.. Im not going to get too over confident. I thought Baltimore was going to be a good bell weather team for us.. but its turned out that Baltimore is not that kind of team.

So, before the game you thought BAL would be a good game for gauging the Packers, but because the Packers won in somewhat of a dominating fashion BAL is no longer a quality team?

If GB runs the table well you then say that PIT and ARI are not that good?

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Originally posted by Diggr14:

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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:


There's no way Diggy rips the *******, because then he starts going where he absolutely does not want to go.

Oh please. Just because I call a 5 year run by our GM average... because it has been average. You guys really need to get your heads out of the sand. I can admit if i'm wrong. I have no problem with admitting that my opinion was off if that is where it leads. I'm sorry, I dont see how you can get excited about a GM that takes a team that was basically a perennial playoff team since the mid-90s and turn it into a pillar of mediocrity in the NFL.

I love you guys. If someone criticizes Ted Tin Man Thompson and his minion.. the horror.. they must be a Viking fan. PLEASE. I didnt like Ted Thompson even prior to #4 leaving.

Sorry dude, had you in the Chickenboy group as a ******* fan.

You are actually in the "would rather be right than have the Packers win" group. Which is actually more pathetic than being a ******* fan. For the record you are so far away from being right it's not even funny.

What is even worse is you still don't grasp a single concept regarding the building of a team. Yes building.....because the previous GM left the team a desert f-ing wasteland.

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Originally posted by JJSD:


It's hard to go this long without a GB loss to celebrate

Nonsense. All you have to do is move the goalpost back after your continually ridiculous predictions flop. You just have to dig a little deeper into the absurd. Digknob is just goofy enough to go the extra mile.

Just curious about how much farther it can move beyond, "I NOW think GB hasn't beaten a good team this year."

Actually, no I'm not. These 'musings' from the ilk that breaks into Mom's liquor cabinet and spews all over the board late at night like cowards isn't interesting in the least. I'm off to count my ass hairs - that's a better use of time than acknowledging this increasingly more desperate stupidity.

This is an odd thread:

1. Green Bay isn't deserving of it's record. It should be better.

2. Haynesworth is better than anyone the Pack has when healthy. However, I would not have been happy if they would have given him that kinda coin.

3. If a person is going to hype a team as being a contender, they cannot refer to a win at home against the Niners and a win at Detroit as anything but a given. Not monumental or signature or anything.

4. I will say the Poke and Poe's wins were nice...but again both at home.

5. Why is it when one has an opinion, the use of stats to prove that opinion wrong is OK sometimes and not at other times?

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Originally posted by chickenboy:
This is an odd thread:

1. Green Bay isn't deserving of it's record. It should be better.
It is what it is. Get over it already. We lost to Tampa. It may have been the best damn thing that happened to this team this season.

2. Haynesworth is better than anyone the Pack has when healthy. However, I would not have been happy if they would have given him that kinda coin.
As I said before....I'll take Jolly, Pickett, Raji, or Jenkins over this oft injured, over-priced clet Hunt.
3. If a person is going to hype a team as being a contender, they cannot refer to a win at home against the Niners and a win at Detroit as anything but a given. Not monumental or signature or anything.

4. I will say the Poke and Poe's wins were nice...but again both at home.
Way to temper that enthusiam. That's bllschit by the way. They were good wins whether at home or on the road.

5. Why is it when one has an opinion, the use of stats to prove that opinion wrong is OK sometimes and not at other times?
Cry an f-ing river little boy. More times than not the person with the opposing opinion isn't doing anything but posting and twisting stats to push an agenda or stir the pot.

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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:


What is even worse is you still don't grasp a single concept regarding the building of a team. Yes building.....because the previous GM left the team a desert f-ing wasteland.

What really needs to be acknowledged but never will is there is no end to "building". No GM says, "I'm done, it's perfect". Well, the poor ones do (see Ruskell).

I love the obvious denial of how players develop. When you scrap a team and use the draft to build players have to mature. We are seeing a level of "team maturity" coming to fruition as we speak (this doesn't even include having a new defensive scheme to adjust to as well). Do you keep building for the future? If you have half a brain in your head.

See, Digknob thinks it's funny that we bash on players who get big money yet the moron can't even see that he pans the players on the Green Bay squad just because they were drafted by TT. Never mind that Collins is a stud, Rodgers is amazing, Jennings, Jones and Nelson make for a great young WR core, Matthews, Jolly, Jones and on and on. Couldn't be that more of the offseason resources will be directed towards the weak spots in this team, weak spots that are diminishing? No, of course not.

These replies came from the "Overpaid player" thread and the discussion had fractured into TT and whether or not the Packers have a signature win in Diggr14's eyes. I felt the discussion was worthy of its own thread

Should be fun games this weekend. Diggr & Chickenboy are praying the Vikes can pull out a win vs. the Bengals. They may be secretly praying for a Packer loss too so the cockroaches can join them in their dancing with glee.

TT is an excellent GM and we are lucky to have him. I'm not certain any other GM would have had the balls to cut loose the diva QB. It kills guys like Diggr to be wrong about the guy so they continue to nitpick about every possible thing our GM does that might potentially be a bad move.

I don't like everything TT has done either. Getting rid of Jon Ryan for instance. Keeping Breno (or Barbre) instead of Jamon Meredith (who may or may not be any good). The good TT has done far outweighs the bad. Just look at this defense. We have 6 1st round picks on our starting defense. Dom Capers was a terrific hire (I think MM gets credit for hiring Dom). We are 8-4 after a terrible loss to Tampa. I just hope they play better vs. Chicago (not sloppy like MNF) on a short week.

Weather looks like it will be ok on Sunday. High 20's and no more than 10-15 MPH wind. Barring craziness the Pack should win and they are the better team this season.

B-N-D was right about game #1 vs. Chicago (close game) I hope he is right about this one too (Packer blowout)

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Originally posted by Boris:


Diggr & Chickenboy are praying the Vikes can pull out a win vs. the Bengals. They may be secretly praying for a Packer loss too so the cockroaches can join them in their dancing with glee.

Without a doubt I agree with this statement.

The funny thing Boris is what geenyous' like Diggy can never seem to grasp is that while most of us are TT supporters, we haven't been 100% happy with him over the years. We realize he's made mistakes, and have been vocal about it. We just realize that he's a quality GM that uses a strategy that would be as foreign to the Queens or Daniel Snyder as the surface of Mars.

Why do you guys continually get worked up by Rainbow's posts? You guys have to know that he is a contrarian pot stirrer. It's a schtick, and you guys fall for it time after time after time.

Sorry, but we're not falling for anything. Diggy is as transparent as rainbow colored glass.....Boris and the mods know that better than anyone else. He's just fun to knock around once in a while. He will eventually either spin in circle's or hang himself with his own rope. It's funny to watch on occasion.

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This reply was not really moved, it felt a little emotional tug...but hardly moved.

Your post deserves an answer, grbaypack. No one who's been around here takes anything these two dumdums post seriously - they're punching bags that serve the purpose of high comedy. That's the only reason they're still here for now. Most folks don't get 'worked up' about what they post, as the content of the shtick doesn't matter - you're right about that. What does matter is that otherwise good posters don't contribute like they want to because they see these idiotic posts and figure there's no reason to bother spending time with paste-eaters. That's why the ass-whippings are sometimes necessary. If they're administered in a way that leads to some chuckles, all the better.

TT has done a nice job bringing in players that will help the Pack during the season (Tauscher, Green are great additions). TT has partially won me over this season....I still wish he had had a better plan for the O-line to start the season...Barbie and Gino, just weren't gonna cut it and he should have known that.

Agreed. The OL that started the season was IMHO JMO a failure that indicts every level of the organization, from TT on down to MM, Campen, the scouts and the players. I'm glad they so far have managed to spackle and paste together a relatively competent unit to get through this year, but OL and punter are two holes that deserve criticism.

I thought I saw this outside Boris'pad.

JJSD .. in my opinion it's just old and tired. It's the same schtick over and over again, and the high comedy petered out long ago. Someone put these clown posters out of their misery already ... please.

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Originally posted by JJSD:
Agreed. The OL that started the season was IMHO JMO a failure that indicts every level of the organization, from TT on down to MM, Campen, the scouts and the players. I'm glad they so far have managed to spackle and paste together a relatively competent unit to get through this year, but OL and punter are two holes that deserve criticism.

Not only deserve criticism, but need to be addressed in the off-season.
Rodgers can't spend the next season let alone the next several seasons getting knocked around.

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Originally posted by grbaypack:
JJSD .. in my opinion it's just old and tired. It's the same schtick over and over again, and the high comedy petered out long ago. Someone put these clown posters out of their misery already ... please.

That's a fair point, but here's the other reality - if we do that, it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. You've been around for awhile, and I'm sure you can think back to days when other posters pooped all over the board and are no longer here. You know what happens every single time? Someone else jumps into that spot. It never fails. Eventually, everyone who pushes this shtick either gets the boot or basically becomes so irrelevant that the same effect plays out. You're starting to see that with the current group. I'm not saying it isn't old and silly for those like you who've been here for years, but it's done for the benefit of newer posters who need some form of reassurance that this place isn't like the cesspool you see on the comments section of the JSO.

Not a fan of banning people, even if they are complete dumbasses without a shred of self respect. Even icon still gets his voice in the meating room. If we moved to a more heavy handed moderation, we just become packerchatters without patty or arrigo or misogynist's, and what fun would that be. I'm sure if you ask some of the resident victims around here, they feel we are plenty heavy handed enough. Aside from all the complaints, spend some time at another message board and see how much traffic is moving there. Any time, day or night, there is conversation here, that seems like a well run site to me.

PS- japf's "moved reply" post made me laugh out loud

No one moves me like japf.