I'm just talented I guess.....
Actually, I was probably (at the time) trying to figure out why TT wasn't able to upgrade the guard position from the state it was in after Wahle and Rivera left and trying to figure out why once wideouts started getting hurt they were replaced with practice squad players....and that's what I came up with.
Looking back it all seemed to work out well for the Pack, so TT did a good thing for the Pack in the long run.
Also note, I never said...or at least didn't mean to say....that TT tried to make the team worse for Sherman....just that he didn't (I'll even say - wisely didn't) attempt to put his finger in the dike. I don't think that's all that outrageous, but that's just me. I also stand by my statement that Sherman was not TT's first choice to coach the Packers. He was there and he gave him the extension...but TT probably wanted to bring in his own man....something that has been done before by many different GMs.
2005 we had a run of injuries that I've never seen any NFL team have.
Sherman was a decent HC & A horrible GM (sans a couple picks).
It was time for him to move on anyway.
Sherman was a decent HC & A horrible GM (sans a couple picks).
It was time for him to move on anyway.
I agree totally Boris. I wish Sherman had never been given the GM job. He was in over his head and it just didn't work.
I don't think a guy comes to a new job and wants to see one of his first decisions wind up being the equivalent of flushing $6 million down the toilet. If he wanted his own man, I could see TT giving Shermy a one-year extension, but not two. Every report I remember was that Shermy was difficult to work with, as Coach said. We'll never know the details, but I've personally believed all along that Sherman is a top-notch human being and that he will do good things at the college level. What parents wouldn't trust their kids with Shermy? That said, he needed to go for several reasons.
As far as the 4-12 is concerned, I do think that stink bomb belongs to TT. He's the one who made the decision to blow the whole thing up and start over to get the finances under control more than anything else, and I did and do still agree with it. He could've finagled his way to a 7 to 9 win season if he had played the same credit card balance transfer games Sherman was playing with the cap, but then it would've only elongated what was necessary anyway. I'm equally sure Harlan signed off on the rebuild, and to think otherwise would lead to only one conclusion - that both Harlan and TT were and are horribly stupid. Not even the most virulent hater can say that.
As far as the 4-12 is concerned, I do think that stink bomb belongs to TT. He's the one who made the decision to blow the whole thing up and start over to get the finances under control more than anything else, and I did and do still agree with it. He could've finagled his way to a 7 to 9 win season if he had played the same credit card balance transfer games Sherman was playing with the cap, but then it would've only elongated what was necessary anyway. I'm equally sure Harlan signed off on the rebuild, and to think otherwise would lead to only one conclusion - that both Harlan and TT were and are horribly stupid. Not even the most virulent hater can say that.
I suppose we will never know and its not unusual for a GM to want his own guy
Surprisingly enough, it was Sherman who couldn't handle the transition/demotion
From various reports I read, Sherman was just a different person after that change and he could not work with Thompson
I do not think TT wanted him gone per se, but Mike made it impossible to continue on with their relationship
Thompson could not try to patchwork it together because he had no commitment from his QB - so in the absence of that, he began to rebuild the team
If TT had a better bedside manner, perhaps he and Favre could have co-existed. But with a waffle at QB, a wiped out cap and a recently demoted coach, it was not the best of times to arrive. It never is when they bring in a new guy
If I have an extra moment, I will try to dig up the article which left me with the impression that TT did not try to oust Sherman, initially
Surprisingly enough, it was Sherman who couldn't handle the transition/demotion
From various reports I read, Sherman was just a different person after that change and he could not work with Thompson
I do not think TT wanted him gone per se, but Mike made it impossible to continue on with their relationship
Thompson could not try to patchwork it together because he had no commitment from his QB - so in the absence of that, he began to rebuild the team
If TT had a better bedside manner, perhaps he and Favre could have co-existed. But with a waffle at QB, a wiped out cap and a recently demoted coach, it was not the best of times to arrive. It never is when they bring in a new guy
If I have an extra moment, I will try to dig up the article which left me with the impression that TT did not try to oust Sherman, initially
quote:Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
I agree totally Boris. I wish Sherman had never been given the GM job. He was in over his head and it just didn't work.
People always forget, but GB had brought in Mark Hatley to be the right hand man for Sherman and offer guidance and insight in personnel
Hatley died a short time later from a heart issue, and left the Packers and Sherman high and dry on the GM front.
quote:Hatley died a short time later from a heart issue, and left the Packers and Sherman high and dry on the GM front
That bastard!
Season One was Demolition (you take the shack down) (stop fooling yourself).
Season Two was Rebuild.
Season Three was NFC Championship.
Season Four was New QB and ton of defensive injuries. A hiccup.
Season Five is back to NFC championship.
Season Two was Rebuild.
Season Three was NFC Championship.
Season Four was New QB and ton of defensive injuries. A hiccup.
Season Five is back to NFC championship.
If TT wanted him gone, why would he give him an extension for those that call TT cheap? Can you have it both ways?
quote:Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
I agree totally Boris. I wish Sherman had never been given the GM job. He was in over his head and it just didn't work.
Yeah I knew when Wolf retired & they gave him both jobs we were in trouble. It actually turned out better than I had thought. We won 3 division titles under Sherman but no man, not even Parcells can handle BOTH jobs of GM & HC. It's too much for 1 person.
The end of the 2003 season just killed me. It was like a part of me died
quote:Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:
If TT wanted him gone, why would he give him an extension for those that call TT cheap? Can you have it both ways?
Maybe he wasn't thinking. Or maybe he didn't realize it would cause so many people so much pain and suffering. Just like I didn't think my harmless little statement would be considered apocolyptic by so many. If I had to do it over again, I would never have posted my thought. Maybe if TT had to do it over again he would never have extended Sherman.
Do you still want to kick him in the knee?
quote:Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
...Just like I didn't think my harmless little statement would be considered apocolyptic by so many.
It wasn't "apocolyptic", it simply wasn't supported by facts.
Not a big deal,and most certainly "harmless".
Oh...there have been times I wanted to kick TT in the knee....there probably will be again....but he's starting to win me over.....I'm thinking if I had the chance now, I'd probably kick him in the back of the knee.....just to make him trip a little...not hurt him.
Oh, I know I'm harmless. And I know I'm not as smart as most people....but I can live with that.
All said and done...I am honest when I say that TT is starting to win me over. I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I am very glad to see where the Packers are now and will be more than glad to be even more wrong in the future if it means good things for the Pack.
And I do agree my opinion (which, if you look, was not very strongly stated) was not supported by fact. It was an opinion, or more of a feeling, and I admit it is probably wrong....I'm not arguing that....but, I refuse to give up my right to state my opinions and I hope you will continue to tell me I'm wrong when I am.
And another thing...you do all realize the kick TT in the knee thing and the kick my dog thing are all just jokes. I say them for humor sake and to maybe validate those karate lessons I always wanted
Oh, I know I'm harmless. And I know I'm not as smart as most people....but I can live with that.
All said and done...I am honest when I say that TT is starting to win me over. I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I am very glad to see where the Packers are now and will be more than glad to be even more wrong in the future if it means good things for the Pack.
And I do agree my opinion (which, if you look, was not very strongly stated) was not supported by fact. It was an opinion, or more of a feeling, and I admit it is probably wrong....I'm not arguing that....but, I refuse to give up my right to state my opinions and I hope you will continue to tell me I'm wrong when I am.
And another thing...you do all realize the kick TT in the knee thing and the kick my dog thing are all just jokes. I say them for humor sake and to maybe validate those karate lessons I always wanted
quote:Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
....but, I refuse to give up my right to state my opinions and I hope you will continue to tell me I'm wrong when I am.
my pleasure and glad to see you and your sense of humor in here more frequently japf
quote:Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
And another thing...you do all realize the kick TT in the knee thing and the kick my dog thing are all just jokes. I say them for humor sake and to maybe validate those karate lessons I always wanted
japf....
You're in my top 1000 favorite posters here easily.
You're in my top 1000 favorite posters here easily.
Wait. I always get you confused with JJSD..
quote:Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
Wait. I always get you confused with JJSD..
[vicarious fist pump]Close enough, yessss[/vicarious fist pump]
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
For sure, I think the ******* should be worried about their ability to compete with the big boys too.
Jeeze, you are dumb. Who are the big boys? The Saints? Who have they played. New England. You mean that team with a worse record than the Packers? Ah, but they have signature wins. Like whom? Buffalo? You are making my head hurt.
You are not fooling anyone, not even yourself. You will do anything to show that you were right about the Packers. ANYTHING! I guarantee you, if the win 10 Lombardis in a row you will whine about something. You are not worth it and you are a terrible fan of our team. Please join DILLY in supporting the *******. Get a purple #4.
quote:Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
Wait. I always get you confused with JJSD..
quote:Originally posted by pablopackerfan:quote:Hatley died a short time later from a heart issue, and left the Packers and Sherman high and dry on the GM front
That bastard!
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
The end of the 2003 season just killed me. It was like a part of me died
Yeah well, the end the 2003 season about killed alot of us. What an emotional rollercoaster ride those last four games were. It started with Favre on MNF with his dads death,the following week with Denver/MN vs Az,then the playoffs with SeaHawks with Al Harris INT in OT. Then out to Philly.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
Get a purple #4.
I think you mean a white one. To wear when the purple one he already wears is in the laundry.
quote:Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
And another thing...you do all realize the kick TT in the knee thing and the kick my dog thing are all just jokes. I say them for humor sake and to maybe validate those karate lessons I always wanted
Kicking your dog is no joke. Kicking TT in the knee during fan fest or something would be humorous.
I think that Sherman was a players coach who let TOG become too big for the team; his own locker room, coming into TC late while the others were there from day one and preferential treatment that alienated the rest of the team. Any coach who does this will loose part of his teams respect. MM seems to treat everyone equally and it appears as if the players really like him.
If your dog can kick, maybe he can replace Crosby.
quote:Originally posted by MN SnowBong:quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
Get a purple #4.
I think you mean a white one. To wear when the purple one he already wears is in the laundry.
I absolutely have to bump this thread. Some classic stuff in here. It obviously degrades by page 4 but the first 2-3 pages are excellent.
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
Your post deserves an answer, grbaypack. No one who's been around here takes anything these two dumdums post seriously - they're punching bags that serve the purpose of high comedy. That's the only reason they're still here for now. Most folks don't get 'worked up' about what they post, as the content of the shtick doesn't matter - you're right about that. What does matter is that otherwise good posters don't contribute like they want to because they see these idiotic posts and figure there's no reason to bother spending time with paste-eaters. That's why the ass-whippings are sometimes necessary. If they're administered in a way that leads to some chuckles, all the better.
we just love to dig this stuff up don't we?
I forgot about this thread. Damn. Drooler #7 walks into another banning, ball washers long since disappeared spewing stupid, more comedy from my new crush in Diggy-kins (I'm falling for him more every day, BTW)... how was this not archived?
quote:Originally posted by hntr74:quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
Diggy, ikkkon, hntr.... three of the biggest poop stains on the boards. Window lickers one and all, but think of the cheap entertainment they provide us with time and time again.
Does that come with _hit check? So far I've had a stellar month on my New Year's resolution.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
2005 we had a run of injuries that I've never seen any NFL team have.
Look out for 2015.
I still stick by my statement about TT not wanting Sherman to succeed, sort of....unless someone disagrees.
quote:Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
I still stick by my statement about TT not wanting Sherman to succeed, sort of....unless someone disagrees.
I suspect he wanted "his guy" and I don't blame him. Sherman had success in his tenure and it would have seemed odd to can him initially after that success.
I also think that it isn't bad for a new GM to sit and observe to some degree for a year. See Holmgren this past season. I don't really think Sherman had a real chance and the horrible season made it that much easier to let him go. Note, I have no problem with TT using this approach.