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I beginning to think that Campen won't be going anywhere. He's been stuck with some players who can't play dead .. Barbre, Giacomini, etc. The injuries to the Clifton combined with the loss of Tauscher was too much to overcome. Once those guys got back in there things came together much better.

I do question whether Campen is able to coach players up, but judging from Lang, Spitz, and Sitton he's done okay. It just depends on the player more than anything.

I'm sure there are better coaches out there, but it now appears the depth at tackle was the biggest problem facing the Oline. TT will have to rectify that this offseason. It's probably priority #1.
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Originally posted by Hungry5:

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
I really enjoyed Monday's win, but until they beat a team that is actually good.. Im not going to get too over confident. I thought Baltimore was going to be a good bell weather team for us.. but its turned out that Baltimore is not that kind of team.


So, before the game you thought BAL would be a good game for gauging the Packers, but because the Packers won in somewhat of a dominating fashion BAL is no longer a quality team?

If GB runs the table well you then say that PIT and ARI are not that good?



Thank you Hungry5.

This is a classic SIGNATURE bedwetter post of Diggr's and not at all unlike frack (AKA -boy).

Change the circumstances to fit their current bedwetting. Ignore the positives and focus on the one negative then magnify it. Back peddle and run for the hills when proven wrong or another poster makes a good counterpoint (See Hungry5)

It's a tiresome act that has gone far beyond Mod's seeing it. If not for the occasional entertainment it provides, it is little more then a waste of bandwidth.
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...TT apologists that havent realized that this guy has not and will not make a move to help put this team over the top.


You know every now I then I think I have seen about all the dumb a poster has to offer.

But then I read stuff like the above and I realize that unfortunately there is a whole lot more of dumb in diggy that most people.

To believe an GM "will not" make a move to get his team over the top is a "special" kind of stupid.

The man's job hangs in the balance. We have seen for 3 decades now, GMs and HC with winning records get fired, because they cannot move it to the next level.

TT would make the move in a heartbeat he believed that the team was only a player or two away from the SB and if that player or two could actually be acquired without mortaging the future of the team (see Dan Devine.)

The fact is that this team might be good enough to make a run in the playoffs.

The fact is that this team is not one or two players shy of getting to the SB.

I challenge Diggy to name one FA from last off-season or one player who can be and would be williing to be traded, that would put the Packers into the SB.

So who is that one player Diggy, who's being on the team puts the Packers in the SB, without any doublt.?
It's not just 1 guy son.. we have 15M in cap space. You can do quite a bit with that.

Just because im sitting in the middle of a presentation right now... i cant answer completely (sorry)

but off the top of my head - guys that could have been had - Moss, A. Thomas, Haynesworth, getting more for Favre, Gonzalez, Stephen Jackson, Hutchinson, C. Benson, god.. i could do this all day. TT got us Duke Preston though.
Well boy, I did say one or two.

Your truly are a special kind of stupid if you believe TT would not make moves to improve the team.

Yes I can see it now with TT talking about his career...

"Yeah so when I got that gig in GB as the GM I figured that would be the peak of my career, the crowning point of my life in football, and I really didn't need to work anymore. So I just you know took the job, then decided to do nothing except collect a bad check."

Next thing your going to try and tell us is that he goes into Murphy's office and farts (just because)knowing knows Murphy can't or won't fire him with that many years left on his contract.
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Moss, A. Thomas, Haynesworth, getting more for Favre, Gonzalez, Stephen Jackson, Hutchinson, C. Benson, god.. i could do this all day. TT got us Duke Preston though.


Any Lombardi trophies in that bunch?

This team did not then and does not now need Moss. Gonzo is really tearing it up down there in Atlanta isn't he?

How many games has Haynesworth missed this year?

C. Benson, come on really? Yes he is having a good year, but no one, absolutely no one expected him too (nor his team.)

Jackson is hit the wall. Everything else is down hill from here (see L.T.)

Oh yea, should have gotten more for the dry drunk---TOG.

Like I said before there are some people that are a "special" kind of stupid.
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Originally posted by Boris:
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TT is an excellent GM and we are lucky to have him.



I disagree that TT is an excellent GM. Excellent GM's have more than one division title and 2 winning seasons in 5 years.

His drafts in 2008 and 2009 appear to be good and have the team pointed in the right direction, however they are not among the elite at this time. Hopefully they get there and for that to happen, 2 above average offensive lineman need to be added by Teddy. The future looks to be bright, but Ted has work to do in the short and long term at RT and LT....2 very important positions you need to be solid at to be amongst the NFL elite. I like that finally this year, Ted went out and traded up for Clay Matthews and has added veteran depth in Green and Tauscher. Hopefully moves like that signal a trend in mixing youth with quality veteran depth
I have a hard time not putting some of the blame for that first 4-12 season on TT. True, he didn't make the cap situation he was dealing with, but he did not do anything that helped the guard position and he sure didn't seem to work too hard to fill the injuries during the year. I still think, in the back of my mind, underneath some old blankets and spider webs, that TT was more than happy to see Sherman fail so that he could bring his own coach in.
I don't know TAFKATD if your last post was in response to the one I made right above it....but I'm not arguing Sherman's worth at all. I'm simply saying that, IMO, TT could have done more to make the 4-12 season a bit more successful....and, also IMO, I think he didn't because he wanted no reason to keep Sherman around. I am not saying this was good or bad by TT, I was just stating that TT can't be given total amnisty for the 4-12 season.
doesn't the down season have to happen? Maybe not, but it seems when you clean house and start fresh, that first season is always bad news. It was the patchwork of Sherman that was keeping up just not quite good enough. The true measure of Ted will be this season and next because the roster is his. Did he design it well enough and put it in the hands of the best guy? Possibly. I'm more encouraged than I was with Sherman.
Could be.


I've been wrong before and will be wrong again....but I remember thinking that at the time and I have no reason not to, at least to a small degree, still believe it now.

I'm not complaining about it, I'm not saying it was a bad thing....I'm just saying that TT was willing to give Sherman a year, but might not have been willing to do whatever it took to give Sherman the best chance to succeed. When given the choice between fixing the cap situation or going for the playoffs that season, TT chose the former at the expense of the latter.

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