The guys on NBC were really bagging on Cousins after showing the highlights, Rodney Harrison implying he wasn't even a good backup with the bad decisions he's making....
phaedrus posted:I really want to see Kumerow.
As to the game, so much uncertainty given the offense and realizing at least part of its futility last week was playing the Bear's defense and not yet acclimated to the new scheme.
Finally, always curious if Kevin King stays healthy.
Ditto to wanting to see Kumerow.....
I believe Kumerow caught a pass yesterday. I'd give some of Allison's snaps to him and see if he's smarter about it.
fightphoe93 posted:They really outplayed the Pack in just about every area but their passing game really hurt them with all the missed throws and turnovers as a result of poor decisions.
If by poor decision you mean signing with the Viks, okay.
I think Angry Bald Man and crew had something to do with the missed throws and turnovers.
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fightphoe93 posted:As others have mentioned, Cousins does seem a little bit like their version of Jay Cutler. He's has good moments that can tease you at times, but makes just enough mistakes that he really doesn't elevate the team and may even bring the overall team down a notch.
He truly was the GOAT of the game yesterday and I don't mean Greatest Of All Time GOAT. If he's even halfway decent, the Vikes win that game. They really outplayed the Pack in just about every area but their passing game really hurt them with all the missed throws and turnovers as a result of poor decisions.
I don't think that's fair. Rodgers was efficient with a 101 rating and Aaron Jones averaged 5 ypc on 23 carries. I doubt we see that level of production from other offenses against the Vikings this year. Ultimately GB was kept out of the endzone for 3 quarters, but the game is 4 quarters. Truly the Vikings hit 3 explosive plays that accounted for almost 50% of their total yardage. Obviously you can't separate that yardage out because it's all part of the big picture, but looking at the rest of the game Cousins was 12/30 for 120 yards, 0 TD, and 2 INT which would have dropped his rating from 52 to 24. Outside of his 75 yard run, Cook went 19 carries for 79 yards with a 4.1 ypc. The only reason MIN had any respectable looking production was just a couple of missed tackles and a jump ball that landed their way. Their OL got dominated at the POA (especially KC) and their receivers couldn't get open. Thielen was kept below his career averages across the board and generally had a minimal impact on the game compared to Adams who constantly drew double teams. I wish we could have creamed them by more points, but I'm not unhappy with their production yesterday. It should have realistically been another 10-3 dogfight like our game in Chicago, but we caught them by surprise.
In summary:
If you take away the Packers big quarter and the Vikings big plays, we have a 0-0 tie.
We made more plays than they did we won the game.
If you take away the Packers giving Harlan the control he had, we aren't having this discussion.
I'll try this again.
Some of those poor throws and TO's were the result of the constant pressure they were getting on him and the job the secondary was doing on their WR's. When pressure and coverage work together, QB's get impatient and start taking more chances (TO's) or go into a shell and play it safe (incompletions).
MIN D is fast and it's good. But they were down 2 CB's yesterday too and there should have been more passing game success to show for it. We didn't and don't have the horses to do that right now. We will be relying on MVS and Allison developing as the year progresses as well as MLF's offense as a whole. Getting the RB's involved in the passing game should also help.
YATittle posted:I believe Kumerow caught a pass yesterday. I'd give some of Allison's snaps to him and see if he's smarter about it.
Yeah, he had like a 9 yard dumpoff on 3rd and a bajillion yards. Allison is better than Kumerow at this time.
PackerHawk posted:YATittle posted:I believe Kumerow caught a pass yesterday. I'd give some of Allison's snaps to him and see if he's smarter about it.
Yeah, he had like a 9 yard dumpoff on 3rd and a bajillion yards. Allison is better than Kumerow at this time.
I'm not sure of that last sentence considering Allison's two gaffes yesterday. Bigger sample size from Kumorow might prove you right or wrong.
And I don't buy the "coaches see them in practice and know best" bs. We saw that for years with Desmond Bishop and others.
YATittle posted:PackerHawk posted:And I don't buy the "coaches see them in practice and know best" bs. We saw that for years with Desmond Bishop and others.
Mostly agree with you on that but these are new coaches. The fact that Jenkins got some planned work yesterday is encouraging. But yes, that parrot response is BS.
I'd like to see the kid get more snaps too. I'd also like to see Tonyan get some snaps over Graham. And if anyone replies with "Chemistry or Trust" in the same sentence with Rodgers I'll lose my shit. You got a couple rookie WR tearing it up right now. Brown in Baltimore and Deebo had a big game in San Fran. It aint because of trust, its because they can play ball.
The offense started sputtering as soon as allison fumbled. That play changed the rhythm for the rest of the game. Credit to vikings for forcing the fumble but allison has to hang on to the damn ball. I think he put one on the ground last year in a critical situation that cost the packers a chance to come back in a game . Hang on to the ball
Yes Allison did and at this point I donât think heâs worth big bucks.
Now worth big bucks is something completely different. I wouldn't pay him like a #2 WR. Wouldn't pay anyone on the roster like a #2 WR. No one has really claimed that role yet but if I was betting it would be MVS. And Allison is better that Kumrow until proven otherwise. Go ahead and lose your collective shit over a mistake or two but he's going to continue getting playing time and targets until someone else steps their game up.
I don't think anyone is "losing their shit." Just saying it takes snaps "to prove otherwise" and with the production we are seeing from MVS and GMO it wouldn't hurt the team too much to give his said snaps.
Hungry5 posted:If you take away the Packers giving Harlan the control he had, we aren't having this discussion.
Take away the NFL and we wouldn't know what this discussion was. 
When someone stands up and says "gentlemen, this is a football", there would be blank stares all around.
YATittle posted:The guys on NBC were really bagging on Cousins after showing the highlights, Rodney Harrison implying he wasn't even a good backup with the bad decisions he's making....
It's what X4 posters have been saying since Kark got the $90 trillion contract! The vikings should have kept Keenum on the roster, just to give Kark something to think about when he turns the ball over on an errant throw or by fumbling the ball while trying to imitate Rodgers' running ability.
Watched the game in a bar in Bakersfield sitting next to a Viking fan. Brought that topic up and he was beside himself thinking they could have extended Keenum for a lot less and gotten better results. Eventually we discussed Gary Anderson and Brett Favre and the loss to the Eagles. He walked out in disgust after the King INT.
BrainDed posted:I don't think anyone is "losing their shit."
Hopefully this plays. If it does, you will find that you should be sure of that which you speak. Also, just saying .........
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YATittle posted:Watched the game in a bar in Bakersfield sitting next to a Viking fan. Brought that topic up and he was beside himself thinking they could have extended Keenum for a lot less and gotten better results. Eventually we discussed Gary Anderson and Brett Favre and the loss to the Eagles. He walked out in disgust after the King INT.
I'm loving that, YA! That guy is a viking fan, alright! Just like the viking fan who left their jersey on the bar stool, at my favorite Packer Bar, at halftime during the 38-7 NFCCG loss to Philadelphia:
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"Watched the game in a bar in Bakersfield sitting next to a Viking fan. Brought that topic up and he was beside himself thinking they could have extended Keenum for a lot less and gotten better results. Eventually we discussed Gary Anderson and Brett Favre and the loss to the Eagles. He walked out in disgust after the King INT."
Nice. Do you walk through the mall at christmas singing "Santa isn't real."
BrainDed posted:I don't think anyone is "losing their shit." Just saying it takes snaps "to prove otherwise" and with the production we are seeing from MVS and GMO it wouldn't hurt the team too much to give his said snaps.
If nothing changes/improves over the next 14 games (but I think it will) MVS would end up with 56 catches for 568 yards. Far from #2 numbers but the next 14 games aren't against the Bears and Vikings defenses. I expect to see different results against the Broncos and Eagles. Kumerow will get his chances. Everyone will eventually. He will need to take advantage of those chances if he wants to see more playing time.
And yeah, some here are definitely losing their shit over that fumble. It's football, everyone fumbles once in a while. Great players fumble, too. He was trying to get a few extra yards. Shit happens.
this is one weird Vikings Suck thread
But anyway, to get this back on topic - THE VIKINGS SUCK.
So you all warned me about the Spermhead fans at Lambeau. There were a lot but not as many as I thought there would be. So in general area I saw 4 Spermhead fans get to meet several Green Bay cops at a time to escort them out. One as he was headed out knocked the drink out of my wife's hands and it spilled all over her.
THE vikings SUCK. Period.
grignon posted:"Watched the game in a bar in Bakersfield sitting next to a Viking fan. Brought that topic up and he was beside himself thinking they could have extended Keenum for a lot less and gotten better results. Eventually we discussed Gary Anderson and Brett Favre and the loss to the Eagles. He walked out in disgust after the King INT."
Nice. Do you walk through the mall at christmas singing "Santa isn't real."
Yes I do. Believe me, he was a realistic Vikings whose dreams have been crushed so often he had a fatalistic outlook. I didn't even bring up that Giants NFCCG crushing....
Waited over 24 hours to soak in all the Queen distress over the loss and have come to the conclusion that the best part of the Pack's win is ...
Not that Zim's heralded and legitimately top notch defense came out flat like it has so often in big contests and did not right itself until it was 21-0 good guys, and ...
it is not that Bailey missed a FG and had an extra point blocked bringing back all those painful memories of missed kicks from years past for the Queens' faithful, ...
no the best part of the victory is that deep down every fan of the Queens from the radio announcer to the rubechat faithful know beyond all reasonable doubt that no matter how well Cook runs, no matter how well the WRs catch the ball, no matter how well the offensive line blocks, and no matter how well the defense plays, in the end Kirk Cousins will not get them to Minnesota's first Super Bowl in over 4 decades.
Resignation has set in among the occupants of the land of 10,000 frozen puddles that they bought themselves an $84,000,000 white elephant and he, or at least his contract, cannot be dumped until after the 2020 season.
The discussion in purple-land will soon turn to whether Spielman or Zim can or should survive while the talented D ages and begins to leave for $greener pastures.
Sunday's win by the Pack truly was delicious.
Beautiful.
There's no way Zim will survive a season where they do anything less than an NFCC appearance. His Bill Parcells act is only tolerable when the team is winning, you don't get any slack cut when you're a prick AND your team is mediocre.
mrtundra posted:YATittle posted:Watched the game in a bar in Bakersfield sitting next to a Viking fan. Brought that topic up and he was beside himself thinking they could have extended Keenum for a lot less and gotten better results. Eventually we discussed Gary Anderson and Brett Favre and the loss to the Eagles. He walked out in disgust after the King INT.
I'm loving that, YA! That guy is a viking fan, alright! Just like the viking fan who left their jersey on the bar stool, at my favorite Packer Bar, at halftime during the 38-7 NFCCG loss to Philadelphia:
The difference between a Viking fan and a door knob is the door knob knows how to open up.
LOL, over on rubechat there is a 3 page thread going about whether the vikings should sign Colin Kaepernick or not.......
Hell no, stick with Buzz Cuzz. Kap would be an upgrade!
Against the Packers - Yes, an upgrade. Against the rest of the NFL....ummmm, no. He's not that good and Captain Kirk is a better QB. Not for the $$, but talent-wise.
Psst. It's no longer 2012.
And DC is no longer DC.
MNPackman posted:LOL, over on rubechat there is a 3 page thread going about whether the vikings should sign Colin Kaepernick or not.......
People just won't give that crap up. It's like they think he's the Messiah of football, and if a team signed him, they would never lose another game.
