What was good, and what was not.

DH13 posted:

fightphoe93 posted:

 

- So far in 2 games we still see some of the same problems from last year between Rodgers and the receivers.  There were way too many times were he was jumpy in the pocket and wasn't really seeing anybody get open quickly.   It's early in the season so that could get better as the season goes on, but it does remind me of the frustrations of last year a little bit.

It's because the same problem from last year is we have no one after 17 that can get open when he has to.  AR is holding the ball because nobody is open.  There is a serious lack of talent at WR/TE on this team.  That's why Jimmy Graham is out there getting blown down by a pass rusher's wake, and why Trevor Davis is back returning punts. 81 has moments but he's got to get the little things down.  Like not coughing up the ball and knowing where first down markers are.  MVS might get there, he might not.  There isn't anybody else on the team worth even speculating on.

I agree on this, and have gotten pushback on this when I posted this opinion before.  MVS has a chance, but the other guys are just guys you can find on almost every practice squad. 

Geronimo Allison is an example. He was an UDFA for a reason. He an a 4.67 40 in college. He's a decent red zone option for high throws because he's basically an undersized TE. When he's your #2/#3 WR it's a problem. It was a problem in college - see his scouting report out of college below. He's exactly what was predicted. He should be a #4 or #5 WR who comes in during red zone possessions and is a key special teams member. He has to play over his ideal role because he's better than the other options. Davis should be the speed guy, but just isn't ever going to get there and Kumerow is a nice story, but he's a practice squad level guy. 

https://draftwire.usatoday.com...wr-geronimo-allison/

Weaknesses

Below average deep threat. Rare to see him run a go route past a cornerback and make himself an open vertical target. Lack of deep speed allows cornerbacks to sit on underneath routes. Ohio State cornerbacks ran his routes all day long. Focus drops an issue this year. Had drop rate of just over 11 percent this year. Play speed into routes needs to improve. Hip stiffness prevents him from sinking hips into breaks. Below average acceleration out of breaks. Too often crowds himself against the boundary.

Thirded.

WR depth has been an issue for a long time.   This isn't Jennings, Jones, Jordy and Driver.     It needs to be addressed and as much as I hate it, we may want to take a look at Dez like Henry suggested.   1 Year prove it deal.   He should be highly motivated and on his best behavior because he knows it might be his last shot. 

That said, AR does hold the ball while passing on open guys underneath.    The video evidence is there of it and I watched it on the all 22 last year.    I haven't signed up for it yet this year so I can't say with 100% confidence that is what happened in the 2nd half, but it's highly probable. 

Good: The Packers scoring on each of their first three possessions. They looked unstoppable! Our DBs kept pace with every viking who went downfield. Jaire psyching out Diggs was great! Beating two of the best defenses in the league, with our new system, to go 2-0 in the division, is priceless! Watching Cousins be Cousins with two INTs and two fumbles(one recovered by the Packers) was great. The game plan seemed to be to stop the running game and let Cousins beat you. Our Defense came to play, again! Hardly any injuries to speak of. Our D Line was solid. Loved watching viking's center Bradbury hold Kenny Clark on a regular basis. Watching the vikings kicker continue the vikings' kicking woes. Beating the vikings. Such a thrill!!

The not so good: letting Cook break free for a 75+ yard TD. Cook is a good running back and it hurts me to admit that. Cook gets to play maybe 8 more games at home on that lousy turf in Minnesota. I look for him to get injured, due to the turf, and miss part of the season, again.  Rodgers and MLF not being on the same page on that 4th down play. Our Offense after our third score through the end of the game was almost non existent. We converted some first downs but came no where close to putting points on the board. 

BrainDed posted:

Thirded.

WR depth has been an issue for a long time.   This isn't Jennings, Jones, Jordy and Driver.     It needs to be addressed and as much as I hate it, we may want to take a look at Dez like Henry suggested.   1 Year prove it deal.   He should be highly motivated and on his best behavior because he knows it might be his last shot. 

That said, AR does hold the ball while passing on open guys underneath.    The video evidence is there of it and I watched it on the all 22 last year.    I haven't signed up for it yet this year so I can't say with 100% confidence that is what happened in the 2nd half, but it's highly probable. 

I was looking for Lazard to be on the field more. Some of those passes that MVS had to jump high for would have been easier for Lazard to catch.

There's a reason Dez isn't signed.  He wasn't very fast coming out of college and age and injuries have sapped him of the speed he had.  If you think Allison is too slow and is more of a small TE.......well Dez is even slower and bigger.  Again, he's on the street for a reason. 

Problem is Lazard doesn't have MVS speed and wouldn't have seen the ball because he wouldn't have been open.  MVS is plenty tall, just has to make the catch.

I've been pounding sand for a high round WR since Jordy tore his knee up.  The situation has gotten worse every year since then.  J'Moore should have helped but GuteGuessedWrong.

Grave Digger posted:

Henry posted:

Martinez just keeps on impressing.  Goodson is a scrub.  He was in there to be a thumper but when you're playing against a shifty runner like Cook a thumper doesn't matter much.  Graham definitely cannot block but I'm not sure how he was lined against Hunter with no help when they had two Vikings lining up over the top of Graham. 

The problem isn't Goodson being a thumper, it's that Goodson AND Mart are both thumpers. You need to pair a thumper with a speedier guy (like Burks or Greene in Dime) or your guys are going to be a step slow. Goodson chewed up a lot of blockers yesterday to keep Mart clean and fill gaps. 

Watching it again I'm a little more forgiving of Graham (he still ****ed up though), but less of Rodgers and Aaron Jones. 1) Jones should have picked up Hunter WITH Graham instead of chasing Kendricks who likely wouldn't have hit Rodgers before he threw 2) Rodgers has to see Hunter shaded outside Graham's outside shoulder and Kendricks on his inside shoulder presnap, he didn't set the protection correctly, and during the play it's his front side and he has to see that coming and get the ball out immediately. His clock is way off.  

Thought the exact same thing as I saw the play live.....

Schaap posted:

Negative: Hate (HATE) the new PI review rules. Yes, it worked to our advantage in this game, but that crap is going to come back to bite us in the ass, for sure (at least once) . As much as I despise the Queens, I was not a fan of that call in the end zone. 

 

I think that call was absolutely the right call. It was an illegal pick play as the MN  receiver ran into the packer defender on purpose.

And I love that the refs are finally calling offensive pass interference. The push off crap has been so blatant and almost never get's called. Hell, Michael Irvin would have been cut from the league if they had called it like this in the 90s when he played rather than putting that POS in the HOF.

Adding more officiating is never a good thing but I kind of agree with the OPI emphasis in this case.  The pick play had gotten out of control as just another case of tipping the scales in favor of offenses.  NE will definitely have to adjust.

#Packers Defense 🔥🔥🔥

3rd Down
🔹Conversions: 25.0% (6th)
🔹Completions: 47.8% (3rd)
🔹QB Rating: 44.5 (5th)
🔹2 INTs, 2 Sacks

Red Zone:
🔸Opposing QBs: 0/6 2 INTs
🔸QB Rating: 0.0

I'd say this is strong, to quite strong. 2-0...

Well done @KCBoutThatLife @JaireAlexander

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) September 16, 2019

Love this Defense, and know the offense will come around. We saw glimpses yesterday.

Thielen kicks Alexander here. Both got called for personal fouls post-play. Would love to know what happened prior that got under Thielen's skin. Jaire is a master trash talker. pic.twitter.com/shgJUNCGmT

— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) September 16, 2019

Good morning to @JaireAlexander & @PrestonSmith94 pic.twitter.com/ga8jvFNZ4R

— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) September 16, 2019

I don't think most fans appreciate how difficult this is and how easy 12 makes it look. @AaronRodgers12 You are inhuman dude pic.twitter.com/IbVtuVyahN

— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) September 16, 2019

GOOD MORNING!

2-0 | #GoPackGo pic.twitter.com/tHlxzeReTr

— Green Bay Packers (@packers) September 16, 2019

#Vikings OC Kevin Stefanski just said on @KFAN1003 that the final INT Cousins threw was on a play designed to Thielen.

Unfortunately, @JaireAlexander was going to take it 95 yards to the crib.

Unreal high-pointing by @King_kevvoo pic.twitter.com/dOUmHccqK0

— Ross Uglem (@RossUglem) September 16, 2019

AtTheMurph posted:

Schaap posted:

Negative: Hate (HATE) the new PI review rules. Yes, it worked to our advantage in this game, but that crap is going to come back to bite us in the ass, for sure (at least once) . As much as I despise the Queens, I was not a fan of that call in the end zone. 

 

I think that call was absolutely the right call. It was an illegal pick play as the MN  receiver ran into the packer defender on purpose.

And I love that the refs are finally calling offensive pass interference. The push off crap has been so blatant and almost never get's called. Hell, Michael Irvin would have been cut from the league if they had called it like this in the 90s when he played rather than putting that POS in the HOF.

Murph, no argument it was the "right" call in the end - just get the call right the first time or don't. (period) I just have an issue making a new subjective call on a subjective call. Every single pass play could be reviewed and changed based on what REALLY happened. I don't like that and just slows down the game that much more. There's no getting it perfect or even closer to perfect. I'm most likely just being a old man yelling a clouds here. 

Also, agree that the offensive PI is being called now. That I like. Cris Carter, too, wouldn't be Cris Carter if that rule was implemented (correction:  enforced) back in the day. LOL

AtTheMurph posted:

Schaap posted:

Negative: Hate (HATE) the new PI review rules. Yes, it worked to our advantage in this game, but that crap is going to come back to bite us in the ass, for sure (at least once) . As much as I despise the Queens, I was not a fan of that call in the end zone. 

 

I think that call was absolutely the right call. It was an illegal pick play as the MN  receiver ran into the packer defender on purpose.

And I love that the refs are finally calling offensive pass interference. The push off crap has been so blatant and almost never get's called. Hell, Michael Irvin would have been cut from the league if they had called it like this in the 90s when he played rather than putting that POS in the HOF.

Agree on the good call. If they had run the same play between the 20s, it probably doesn't get called. Down at the goal line, the officials are looking for it and will call it. 

Everything is balancing out. Packers were robbed of a victory over the Queens last year because of over sensitivity to a new rule change.

I had the exact same thought.

https://www.vikings.com/news/v...rs-3-stats-stood-out

Anyone know how many snaps Gary got?   Just seeing a row of 0's in the box score for him. 

Sucks to see Don Beebe's son Chad playing for them. A walk on. Their Kumerow.

20

20 is more than 6.    Wonder if Coaches liked what they saw last week or if it was situational. 

BrainDed posted:

Anyone know how many snaps Gary got?   

14

YATittle posted:

https://www.vikings.com/news/v...rs-3-stats-stood-out

Such BS

Grave Digger posted:

20

20 snaps for Gary? I don't remember him having the impact he did in the Bears game.

YATittle posted:

For what it's worth, my season ticket holder brother was there and he said the volume was loud from start to finish. People took Aaron Rodgers' comments seriously.

It was. They had a DB reading on the jumbotron for 3rd/4th downs and it went up to 108 late in the 4th quarter. There was definitely a lull in the middle of the game when the Vikings were moving the ball but overall good noise when it was needed. They also had constant video clips of different Packer players reminding the crowd to make noise. 

There was the occasional group of home fans trying to start a Go Pack Go chant with the offense on the field but plenty of people shut that shit down right away. The best part of all? Not a single wave. Not even on defense. Thank you, Aaron. 

Also, I could have been imagining things but there was an element of "artificial" sound mixed in with the crowd noise in the 1st quarter. It did not sound authentic. Never noticed it later on but I wonder if the stadium crew was helping the team out until they determined we were loud enough on our own. 

One of my Viking fan co-workers is convinced that Kevin King dropped the ball on his interception. I haven't seen a good replay of it yet. Is he full of crap like I suspect? 

PackerHawk posted:

One of my Viking fan co-workers is convinced that Kevin King dropped the ball on his interception. I haven't seen a good replay of it yet. Is he full of crap like I suspect? 

He is. On first live viewing I thought he dropped it, but he controlled it to the ground and then just flipped it away so he could start celebrating. Watch it again, you'll see.

Not really.  I was a little surprised they didn't reverse it but maybe didn't because the call on the field was of an INT.  I thought the rule said you have to complete the process of the catch for it to count.  He makes the catch, secures it to his body, hits the ground and rolls a bit and the ball comes out just before his body stops moving and then gets up.  I would call it a catch but I wasn't going to be surprised if the refs didn't.  Karma or law of averages, I thought we came out on the winning end in the ref's department yesterday.

DH13 posted:

Not really.  I was a little surprised they didn't reverse it but maybe didn't because the call on the field was of an INT.  I thought the rule said you have to complete the process of the catch for it to count.  He makes the catch, secures it to his body, hits the ground and rolls a bit and the ball comes out just before his body stops moving and then gets up.  I would call it a catch but I wasn't going to be surprised if the refs didn't.  Karma or law of averages, I thought we came out on the winning end in the ref's department yesterday.

But it ended up on the ground because he put it there to get up and celebrate.

Really a close call, but not enough there to reverse the ruling on the field. 

YATittle posted:

But it ended up on the ground because he put it there to get up and celebrate.

That has resulted in "not a catch" calls in the past, right or wrong.  But I'll take it!

Yeah, if I'm a coach I'm in their face telling them to celebrate WITH the ball.

https://www.acmepackingcompany...-goes-with-more-base

YATittle posted:

https://www.vikings.com/news/v...rs-3-stats-stood-out

The defense was gassed thanks to the pitiful offense after a hot start. Amazed that they had just enough fumes to get it done. 

LaFleur took the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on the Diggs' TD to make sure the Vikings didn't go for two to potentially cut score to 21-18.

— Bill Huber (@BillHuberSI) September 16, 2019

After Taylor apparently won the starting left guard job in training camp, the Packers began to work Elgton Jenkins into the lineup on Sunday, giving him a few series in that spot. Jenkins looked solid in his playing time, however, and he will probably be in the starting lineup at some point in the relatively near future.

The line had a better day run-blocking against Minnesota than they did in week one, helping pave the way for a steady if not explosive 144 yards on 33 carries. They also only gave up one sack of Rodgers, with the second being on Graham.

Matt LaFleur on Aaron Jones: “He did an unbelievable job. He was our player of the game on offense.”

— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) September 16, 2019

Found on the internet: Aaron Jones deserves some love in that facet in addition to his running. That blitz pickup on H. Smith (one of the best blitzing safeties in the league) was absolutely stone cold. Met Smith head on and took him down, and then stays active by keeping Smith out of the play entirely once he’s on the ground. That play clearly stunned Rodgers, who had already preemptively rolled away from his pressure not expecting it to be picked up so cleanly. Lot of improvement there from Jones, who has the makings of a true 3-down back. I also like the usage of J. Williams, who has always had good hands in the passing game, and deserves work as a complimentary player. But Jones can be a star if his pass blocking is now up to par.

Yeah his blitz pickup has greatly improved from his first two years. That's been my biggest beef with Jones to-date, if you're going to be a 3-down player then you need to be able to do everything. Glad he's improved, helps a lot to have a versatile player of his caliber who can be trusted in any situation on the field. 

Jones destroyed Harrison Smith on a blitz pickup yesterday.