Maybe the offense is just so bad that it makes the defense look better.
Tdog posted:... I kinda laugh at them when they play like ****. It really doesn't affect my life one bit anymore. I've given up trying to figure out what's wrong with a group of millionaires when they collectively, coaching to players, perform like ****. sure, it's always good to be king and it brightens the day when they're dominant. but it ain't no big deal when they suck anymore - I've got better things to do.
I'm trying to get there T, but it feels like I have a way to go.
Me, too. MM did effect change in the D and STs as he said he would. Kudos there. But now the O has fallen off, so it's time for him to take a stronger hand there. The trouble is, I'm afraid he'll wait until the offseason to do it.
How good was Marty Shottenheimer? j
One Play Tipifies what's ailing Packers
IMO, some pretty good observations and well worth the click.
From pboi's link:
For the 59th time in 71 plays (83%), the Packers employed three wide receivers (Randall Cobb, James Jones and Davante Adams), one tight end (Richard Rodgers) and one running back (James Starks).
This is why it is so important to get a viable 4th WR option (Monty or Abby) or a better TE option (Quarless).
The 3-1-1 formation works when the #1 WR is Nelson, because he demands more attention and is a match-up problem with his height, strength, and speed.
With the current personnel MM/TC is working with, they have to get more creative then this and think outside the box. Which I realize for as stubborn as MM is, that is very hard for him to accept.
Stacked WR sets. Power I formation with Ripkowski and Quarless blocking ahead of a north-south heading Eddie Lacy. Screens. Slants. Placing Cobb in the backfield. Rolling Rodgers out where he's typically passed well outside the pocket. Reverses.
Christ. Something different. Nothing about this tired ass formation scares anyone.
He thinks he's Vince Lombardi.
Trying to get a seal here...& a seal here & run this play in the alley!!
This is piling on, but Rob Demovsky has a blog post on ESPN on Janis as the KR returner. Buried in that article was this nugget:
"McCarthy and former special teams coordinator Shawn Slocum liked to use running backs on kickoff returns because of their ability to find holes. With No. 3 halfback DuJuan Harris as their primary kickoff returner last season, the Packers finished 31st in the NFL with a 19.1-yard average."
Oh, and this:
âI think if you had your druthers, if you were going to draw one up, youâd probably have a running back be the guy,â first-year special teams coordinator Ron Zook said.
Let that sink in. We continually trotted out DuJuan Harris last year because MM and Slocum wanted an RB as a KR returner? (And Zook agrees?!) Any idot can see that speed is of primary importance to hit seams in the KR return game. And yet, the likes of Micah Hyde and DuJuan Harris were repeatedly tried there (and Hyde earlier this year). That boggles my mind.
Boris posted:He thinks he's Vince Lombardi.
Trying to get a seal here...& a seal here & run this play in the alley!!
"We do what we do."
Even though people like to bash Micah Hyde for being slow, the guy can return kicks. Especially punts, just seems to have a knack for it.
Returning kicks & punts.
Rule #1 - You cannot turn the ball over
As the subject was addressed early on in the thread. Nothing earthshaking here but no news is still news sometimes.
JASON LA CANFORA
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Eliot Wolf is in demand as a GM, but many doubt he'll leave Green Bay
December 13, 2015 8:40 am ETGreen Bay executive Eliot Wolf has a strong consensus of support as a future general manager and will be approached by several teams with openings this winter, sources said, though it will be difficult to pry him from the Packers. Wolf, whose father, Ron, was recently added to the Ring of Honor at Lambeau Field, has been literally raised as a Packers supporter. He is viewed internally as the heir apparent to current GM Ted Thompson by many in the organization, and despite all of the interest in him, a departure would be viewed as a surprise at this point.
Wolf, who has been trained by some of the best evaluators in the game, has steadily risen up the team's ranks and would be selective about any options he considered, sources said. The Lions are among those with interest in him, although leaving Green Bay to then face the Packers twice a year might be less than appealing to him, and Wolf's standing within his current team could not be higher.Wolf's father is a member of the NFL's committee that recommends front-office executives for potential openings, and he is held in high regard around the league. He was elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2015 and his family tree has spawned current GMs such as Seattle's John Schneider and Kansas City's John Dorsey. Eliot Wolf is Green Bay's pro personnel director and has been a top target for general manager jobs for several years.
Chalk me up as one of the folks whose disappointment has all to do with the total number of SB's won while having two HoF quarterbacks.
For me, it is not really a matter of lamenting any specific season where expectations were not met, rather looking at many years as a whole. When I do that:
+ SB loss to Denver where Packers clearly the best team.
+ 4th and 26. (And Favre's mind-boggling INT that followed.)
+ Loss to Giants in NFC championship.
+ 15-1 team's loss to Giants at Lambeau.
+ Surreal loss to Seattle last year.
It is the sum of these parts that gets to me. 1996 and 2010 were sublime, but I am one with some sense of disappointment should the total SB's won by Favre and Rodgers stay at 2.
Glad to know you have written this year off already. Maybe now the Packers will actually win.
Good to know Eliot is most likely staying put.
Heir apparent to the best job in sports with his father to draw knowledge from.
Can't ask for much more to keep the team competitive.
Not just his dad, as Thompson would likely still be scouting since he lives for that.
phaedrus posted:...I am one with some sense of disappointment should the total SB's won by Favre and Rodgers...
You sure that's not entitlement you sense?
Just on Fox----Jay Glazer says MM is taking over the playcalling.
ammo posted:Glad to know you have written this year off already. Maybe now the Packers will actually win.
I wouldn't (and didn't by the way) say I have written this team off, but on paper it doesn't look good. Packers are lesser performing at WR, TE, RB, and QB and their offensive woes are a pattern for anyone to be able to see.
Hungry5 posted:phaedrus posted:...I am one with some sense of disappointment should the total SB's won by Favre and Rodgers...
You sure that's not entitlement you sense?
The only thing I sense is your post is a complete waste and so why would you bother writing it?
slowmo posted:Just on Fox----Jay Glazer says MM is taking over the playcalling.
No early games thread. So closing in on the end of the first half from their own 10. Johnny Football held the ball way to long and took a bad sack on his own 2. Then he threw a horrible pass that should have been picked at the 10. Then he held the ball too long again 7 yards deep in the end zone and should have been sacked for a safety but got bailed out with a face mask call by the guy driving him out of the end zone
So that little ****er ran up the middle of the field getting in 49ers faces signaling first down. Then he threw a ****ing horrible pick.
At some point I hope a saftey or DE breaks that little D-Bag into pieces.
phaedrus posted:Chalk me up as one of the folks whose disappointment has all to do with the total number of SB's won while having two HoF quarterbacks.
Count me in as one who thinks you need to spend time as a Vikings fan.
#spoiltbabies
https://packers.timesfour.com/topic/12-13-early-games
I agree with your comments about Manziel. If nothing else, he's likely to be unemployed next year, and that would suit me just as well.
Sense-ative.
