Who would you pick?

Sucks picking late every round..  Plz don't ever again compare the Queens "High Round" draft pick success to TT'S

If Murphy made the change and cleaned complete house, I wouldn't shed any tears. TT is a good GM and MM is a good coach. But the mission, the message, the "buy in" for this franchise is gone.

IMO, I just think a fresh look, new eyes are needed. I highly doubt TT goes anywhere..hell, MM may not either. But when you look at this roster, it's a lot of "just a guy" on this team. You can find Goodsons, Perillos, Brices, etc all over this league.

And save the **** regarding injuries. Teams all across the league deals with injuries, it's just not an excuse anymore in today's NFL.

This is a stale, lifeless, tired team. New energy, new blood is needed.

hntr74 posted:

Sucks picking late every round..  Plz don't ever again compare the Queens "High Round" draft pick success to TT'S

 

Other teams picking late don't seem to have missed as often as TT.  Pats and Seahawks look pretty solid. And I am not just talking first round when compared to Minny, more like top 3 rounds.

w/e

I guess its all AR that had them as one of the favs to represent the NFC in the SB.

Not interested in the same ol, same ol names and retreads that will be nominated.  

Change for the sake of change will not cut it.....if you are going to move on, move on. GB should have plenty of money, enough to entice the best coach and GM.  There are some attractive players that could be attractive and bring some high return.  

If the thought is that the time has come....do it and do it big.

Still not convinced the available talent they do have is being maximized by the coaching staff. Pretty clear to me that the shelf life of MM has expired and a change is needed.

packerboi posted:

I probably should know this, but who is that?

Elliot wolf

I've been an MM fan for a long time, but MM shouldn't have a seat anywhere at 1265 much less a hotseat. The team has stopped listening to him, he's lost touch with the players, and I think it's pretty obvious that he and AR aren't going to be having a beer with each other any day soon.  And enough has been said about MM's asinine stubbornness. 

Jury is still out on TT. Who sets the final roster? How much input does MM have on that? Has TT put his boot up the rear of MM or not? Does TT still have the fire?

We have a good, not great, roster that can be successful, but I think players aren't being put in a position to succeed. And that's on the coaches, and ultimately, the head coach.

No retreads.  Cowher, Gruden, et. al. are like the flashy, big name free agents that arent' going to have a long enough shelf-life to make much of a difference.  PLus, some of those guys have been away from coaching long enough that they aren't going ot be able to adjust to the new NFL with lack of real practices, etc.  So if changes are made, I think they need to find new blood. 

For head coach, maybe Dave Aranda, DC at LSU.  Great defensive coach.  Would get that part of the team on track quickly.  He worked wonders with the Badgers when he came in.

I just can't believe AR has fallen apart so fast.  I think there has to be some sort of lack of communication or rift, or he just isn't buying MM's message anymore.  Something.  You can see he still has it, just not consistent.  I am not as up to speed on the brilliant offensive minds out there, but there has to be someone that can bring a fresh approach and get AR back to his previous play.  And get him to seem excited again.  He doesn't look like he's enjoying playing. 

They aren't going to be able to flip a witch and completely rebuild the roster in one off-season, so whoever runs the offense would need to bring in a scheme that can at least use the current crop of WRs and get the most out of them while newer, better WRs get added to the mix.  Numerous folks here have noted that it almost seems like the scheme is to blame, as the WRs run the same, predictable routes and are just expected to beat their defenders.  There has to be ways to get them open, and they need to find someone who can get more creative there.  I just don't have a name.

Rodgers is becoming his predecessor.

Someone mentioned McDaniel and I like that idea.   

Theo Epstein

No one enjoys playing when you get your butt handed to you every week 

I like the idea of Aranda also. Assuming he can round out a staff, has a plan, etc.

Jeremy Pruitt is another possibility, but not sure he's in a position to build a staff.

Right Timmy!  I'm not completely sure if he's that ready, but I saw what he did with the Badgers' defense in just a couple of years.  While the offense definitely needs a fresh start, I would personally go with a defensive head coach as that side of the team has been so bad for so long.

This team is more talanted than it's record.  

So was the German army in WWII.

Said it weeks ago, the team is stale.

McDaniel makes sense if want to go with offensive coach, he should have learned from his debacle at Denver, what about Haley from Pittsburgh any chance he's learned from KC?

Aranda would not make me unhappy at all either.

Really hard to watch other games where the players look like they know what they are doing.  

Lovie Smith 100%. He was cursed in Chicago with bad GMs and bad QBs (as has every coach since) and no HC succeeds in Tampa since Gruden. Lovie has an eye for really good assistant coaches, his teams always play hard as heck, and he always fields good defenses. The man took a team to the SB with Rex Grossman at QB for fuk sake. 

The Wolf/TT personnel tree has been strong...Schneider, McKenzie, and Dorsey are all taking what they learned from TT/Wolf and adapting it to 2016. I'd like to continue with this tree and keep Eliot Wolf. He's not going to be a TT clone, he's grown up in the changing NFL. 

What is Mike Sherman doing?

Interesting recommendations, though I'd be concerned about what kind of staff a guy with no NFL experience could put together.  Is McDaniel the brightest offensive mind in the league right now?  Have always admired what Payton has done in NO.

I'd stick with Thompson and McCarthy for at least one more year because the track record is there.  However, McCarthy has to do a far, far better job evaluating his coaching staff.  He obviously whiffed badly in this area last off-season (Richard Rodgers has certainly looked a ton better with that new TE coach, hasn't he!).  If his recommended fixes at year's end is to fire James Campen and Joe Whitt then I'll flip-flop and suggest that firing McCarthy would be a good idea.  Thompson should definitely be using free agency more to fill out depth in weak areas of the roster.  Hard to blame the running back mess on anyone but him.  It's not like Lacy and Starks were looking real good at the end of last season.

The fans that want the Packers to draft a Badger in every round want an ex Badger to coach?  I'm shocked.

Packer Joe?

Diggr?

Johnny Z?

Is this X4 2006?

My God, the world did end last Wednesday....

Wanting McCarthy gone while admiring what Sean Payton has done is puzzling.  Pretty similar resumes. 

I don't think Payton has had the talent to work with that McCarthy has.

TT should get a shot at another hire.

Well, in hypothetical land, I'd love to see Aranda get a shot as Defensive Coordinator but not sure his first pro/head gig.

My short list would be Scott Linehan , Darrell Bevell and Josh McDaniel w/ Aranda as D-Coordinator.

Whitt and Perry retained.

RochNyFan posted:

I don't think Payton has had the talent to work with that McCarthy has.

So now there is Talent?

hntr74 posted:

RochNyFan posted:

I don't think Payton has had the talent to work with that McCarthy has.

So now there is Talent?

Saying TT has missed on draft picks does not mean there is no talent on the team.  

Head Coach Brett Favre... former GB great; solid intellect; from the Old South... I don't see how it  could miss.

If I were Ted Thompson I would do the following:

Fire Dom Capers and name either Winston Moss or Joe Whitt J. as interim DC and let them begin to redesign the schemes for the defense.  We may just have "guys" in a lot of positions on D but for years I have seen wide open TE, inconsistent pass rush and bad/missed tackles under Dom.  Simplify the D, figure out a way to get pressure so our DBs don't have to cover all day.

Fire Tom Clements.  Let Edgar Bennett run the offensive in the interim.  Simplify the offensive, short quick plays that get the rhythm on the offensive, no 20 packages game plans.  Use the players that you have to force mismatches against the D.  RR is at best a 3rd string TE that can't block so why not line up Ty at TE and force a mismatch against the D.  Keep ARod in check, and get him in rhythm.  

Regardless of the out come of the season they need to fire McCarthy.  He is not going to change his philosophy and a change for him and for Green Bay is needed.  He had a great run here but it is pretty much over.  

Hire Sean McDermott as Head coach.  People asked the last time I posted who I would hire.  Green Bay has not had a Defense Minded HC since Ray Rhodes.  This defense has under performed for a long times and putting the focus on the D should help.

Hire Offensive Coordinator Kyle Shanahan (if possible).  Still a young coach with experience running offensives. He is a Quarterback's coach and hopefully can work with ARod to get him back to HOF level.

Hire Defense Coordinator Teryl Austin (if possible).  He has done a pretty good job with the Detroit D after they lost Suh.

The defense has to be the focus of the coaching staff changes between now and next season. 

I'm not an expert on this, but I did do a lot of research into what I would do if I were TT.  Pick it a part, call me a idot but offer other ideas.

"Fire Dom Capers and name either Winston Moss...."

Stopped reading after this. 

Eddie posted:

II'm not an expert on this, but I did do a lot of research into what I would do if I were TT.  Pick it a part, call me a idot but offer other ideas. 

TT wouldn't micromanage the staff. Those are decisions he would leave up to the new HC.

Doubt if it'll happen, but my preference would be for a complete housecleaning. If there are changes it's likely to be just MM and staff.

PackerJoe posted:

I'd stick with Thompson and McCarthy for at least one more year because the track record is there.  However, McCarthy has to do a far, far better job evaluating his coaching staff.  He obviously whiffed badly in this area last off-season (Richard Rodgers has certainly looked a ton better with that new TE coach, hasn't he!).  If his recommended fixes at year's end is to fire James Campen and Joe Whitt then I'll flip-flop and suggest that firing McCarthy would be a good idea.  Thompson should definitely be using free agency more to fill out depth in weak areas of the roster.  Hard to blame the running back mess on anyone but him.  It's not like Lacy and Starks were looking real good at the end of last season.

This is my hunch in that they will stick with TT and MM for one more year.  It just isn't the Packers style to panic and clean house like a Stalin purge. 

I will stand by my prediction that the first round of cleaning house will be to fire the coordinators and more than likely the entire defensive staff.  And then MM gets one more year (unless he quits) to turn it around and if not he then let go.  Now if they do fire MM and the entire staff I would like to see them go with a coach with a defensive background who coaches defenses with a nasty edge.  By the way I am surprised no one has said Les Miles yet.

As far as coaching background, it would be my preference that they don't hire a guy from college.  More often than not it never seems to work out.

ChilliJon posted:

"Fire Dom Capers and name either Winston Moss...."

Stopped reading after this. 

If it were up to me both of them would be gone.  Not sure what Moss brings to this team and Capers  needs to go as soon as possible.  I have given him the benefit of the doubt for too damn long.  Nothing has changed.  I'm over it.  I would be ok if they kept McCarthy, but I also wouldn't be upset if he was shown the door too.  One thing for sure better happen is some kind of change.  It is needed.  It happens.