DH13 posted:
If you were serious about QB./...
Maybe.
My main thought aside from what looks to be poor coaching is optimum timing from the perspective of Rodger's age.
If the Pack keeps MM one more year and it turns out to be more of the same, Rodgers will be 34 in MM's replacement's first year. I don't think it is likely a team wins an SB on a coaches first year and so you are looking at a 35 year old Rodgers when a SB is even viable.
That said, unless the GM is extremely confident MM will rebound and right the ship, cut him loose sooner as Rodgers is with his new coach sooner.
The contrarian may ask if AR has any greater possibility of competing for a SB at that age if MM is still here.
PackerPatrick posted:maybe Harbaugh. If he can get out of his Michigan deal.
I don't want Harbaugh.
phaedrus posted:I don't think it is likely a team wins an SB on a coaches first year and so you are looking at a 35 year old Rodgers when a SB is even viable.
I've actually had this hesitation myself about the time needed to "rebuild" under a new coach on AR's clock. But the Broncos just won in Kubiak's first year. With a great QB and playoff roster mostly in place, I don't think we have to assume a new coach would need the three years typically associated with a rebuild.
I want to know where the "great" QB is. Not sure why some people think a new coach is going to make Rodgers throw better passes. Sure he throws a few good ones every game but there are just as many bad throws. The 2nd interception looked like a cutler **** it throw.
He's not leaving An Ohio State University until there's a hint of sanctions.
Ok, so we don't like Harbaugh. Perhaps its because we don't like his personality. We have seen him on the opposite side line and his energy pissed some of us off. I get that. But as a coach who gets more from his players I still like the idea of him as coach.
If we want a defensive minded coach I like Steve Spagnola (sp?)
Jiim Harbaugh has a shelf life of 3 years, perfect for college
Urban Meyer's primary skill is recruiting, not coaching
So a failed HC who drafted Tim Tebow in r1, a failed son of a HC, and a Stanford alum that doesn't want to leave. If those are who Acme Packing considers to be the best available coaches, I will stick with McCarthy. I like Shaw, but by all accounts he's in his dream job. If you want to try and pry college coaches out, look at guys like Chris Peterson who is a better coach than schemer, Paul Chryst who is a Wisconsin native and a quality coach and schemer, or Lovie Smith who is an actually good NFL coach and rumored to be unhappy in Champaign. Guys like Harbaugh, Meyer, Saban, Shaw are all where they want to be and don't want to leave. Harbaugh could have had any open NFL job he wanted, he chose to be at UMich, same for Urban Meyer with college.
Grave Digger posted:So a failed HC who drafted Tim Tebow in r1, a failed son of a HC, and a Stanford alum that doesn't want to leave. If those are who Acme Packing considers to be the best available coaches, I will stick with McCarthy. I like Shaw, but by all accounts he's in his dream job. If you want to try and pry college coaches out, look at guys like Chris Peterson who is a better coach than schemer, Paul Chryst who is a Wisconsin native and a quality coach and schemer, or Lovie Smith who is an actually good NFL coach and rumored to be unhappy in Champaign. Guys like Harbaugh, Meyer, Saban, Shaw are all where they want to be and don't want to leave. Harbaugh could have had any open NFL job he wanted, he chose to be at UMich, same for Urban Meyer with college.
McDaniels is not the answer IMHO sorry. If he was such a hot name I would have thought someone would have already hired him. I say pass on that one I didn't see anything that is better with him than with MM. Sorry I just don't.
Shanahan might be interesting since he is a decent offensive mind. but I still go back to my thought on McDaniels if he was THAT great someone would have hired him by now.
I still think that an NFL team should think long and hard before hiring a college coach. It has always been a tough transition and honestly who was the last coach to make an impact in the NFL besides Pete Carroll?
Chryst to me is right were he should be at UW and if he ever made the NFL jump again he would be a Norv Turner type as a really good OC not a HC.
Guys like Saban and Meyer at their dreams jobs and they know they are better off in college. Why in the world would they leave where they are at?
I am not as high on Lovie Smith as Digger is but it would be intriguing to have a defensive coach in town who has a history of players playing really hard for him. But then again I am back to is he really better than MM?
Who is the most successful coach of the last 20 ears without a HOF QB? Andy Ried? Pete Carroll? Jim Harbaugh? Tom Caughlin?
I honestly have no clue who to target. My pick is Tom caughlin, damn guy derailed us twice in the last 10 years
The Heckler posted:
I am not as high on Lovie Smith as Digger is but it would be intriguing to have a defensive coach in town who has a history of players playing really hard for him. But then again I am back to is he really better than MM?
Yes. The way things are as it stands, the only semblance of McCarthy 2016 to McCarthy 2010 is the name. That's not to say he wouldn't be successful elsewhere, it just appears he's no longer going to be successful here.
Continuing to suck because you're afraid someone will have success elsewhere is a really lousy reason to maintain the status quo. Were McCarthy to go to Cleveland and the Browns and Packers are successful then I'd be happy for it.
I would say the most successful coach from the last 20 years without a HOF QB would be John Harbaugh. Franchise QB yes, HOF QB definitely not. Jim Harbaugh is close, but he doesn't have the hardware that his brother has.
ChilliJon posted:From MM's presser today:
"I love this group...We're really dialed into how it happened & why it happened, & that will remain our focus."
This can only mean they were sort of dialed in about what happened and why it happened against Indy.
Now they are really dialed in. Is it possible to be super duper dialed in?
I think everyone has mentally checked out.
It is no sin to be "dialed in". But it is a sin to hang up about the time the game begins.