Will Aaron Rodgers play vs Steelers ?

Maybe it's something more than what we've been told?  Usually, most people, would return after 8 weeks...I agree...you gotta trust the doctor and TT....otherwise he would be playing.

 

SDPF - it hasn't been 8 weeks yet.

 

 

 

Rockin' Robin

1. McKenzie

2. That's between McKenzie, Rodgers, and McCarthy

 - the bone sufficiently healed at the point of the break has been mentioned by Rodgers as key and only a Physician can say when that is (Rodgers & McCarthy cannot)

 - range of motion has been discussed/mentioned by Rodgers

 - rehab in the weight room has been discussed/mentioned by Rodgers

 - football moves without pain/discomfort has been discussed/mentioned by Rodgers

3. see #2

 

 

Why would # 1 be anyone other than the team Dr.?
#2&3 can only be revealed if Rodgers agrees to that information being made public.

Maybe this a good time to once again remind people about HIPPA.

Great. So have TT, MM, McKenzie, or anyone come out and say Rodgers has no pain and his regained his strength and range of motion, but he can't be cleared because the bone hasn't sufficiently healed.

 

You say that, there's nothing left for people to speculate about and the story goes from denial to acceptance.

 

EDIT: I'm not sure how saying the bone hasn't healed fully violates HIPPA when they've already publicly said he has a fractured collarbone? They aren't sharing the x-rays or anything - they are simply commenting on the status of a consition they already released publicly.

This is your fundamental misunderstanding and the likely source of your frustration

Players play, coaches coach and Dr's make medical decisions

They spend a decade going to school , internship and residency. Then they spend another decade mastering their craft before they are good enough to be an NFL team doctor.

 

This is the guy you all are second guessing from behind your magic keyboards

 

http://www.packers.com/news-an...ad-ad34-b500aed26377

 

None of the other principals in this situation are qualified to make that call including Rodgers and MM. Why wouldn't you put your best people on it ?

 

A highly trained Sports MD made a different decision than a poster, a player or a coach.

And all he had was the benefit of 20 years of NFL MD experience AND seeing & understanding the actual scans.

 

Now if the MD starts trying to call plays, then you've got a point.

 

It is my understanding that HIPAA does not apply to NFL Teams. I thought maybe it applied to GB, but everything I've found is it does not. That said, if the player does not want to the info out the Packers don't report it.

 

 

 

Dr. Pat McKenzie has been the Packers team physician since the early 90's. He received the Jerry Rhea Award as the NFL’s top physician for his work with the 2010 Packers M*A*S*H unit. The Jerry Rhea Award as the NFL’s top physician has been presented by PFATS (Professional Football Athletic Trainers Society) annually since 1998 - so this is decided by the trainers around the league. McKenzie credits Dr. James Andrews for his training in sports medicine / orthopedics. McKenzie is one of the very best there is at what he does.

 

 

Some comments on McKenzie after receiving the award after the 2010 season:

What separates McKenzie in his line of work is he treats all of the players “as if they’re his kids,” 

 

When discussing the Packers on IR for the SB. “It was hard to see those guys miss out on something special,” McKenzie said.

Found this statement to be very telling on the organization set-up with regards to injuries: 

He admitted it also wasn’t easy to continually deliver such bad news to McCarthy and Thompson during the first half of the season, when the IR list kept growing, but he credited their professionalism through it all.

As a sidenote, I don't mean to imply the decision isn't the right one. I have no idea if it's the right one or not -- I think McKenzie deserves the benefit of the doubt, and if anything, going against the grain on this and clearly putting the individual's health above the team's short-term welfare is laudable.

 

I'm just pointing out that I think the Packers as an organization could have handled the communication around this a lot better. Just seems like way more drama than what's necessary. Let MM coach. Let Rodgers recover. And have someone who can speak for everyone provide some straightforward answers on his condition. This daily game of will he or won't he combined with the mixed messages AR and MM are providing just doesn't seem like the opitmal approach.

The "HIPPA" references really seem to be off base in sports.  Teams, coaches, teammates, etc. very often talk openly about injuries, surgeries, recoveries, diagnoses, prognoses, etc.  of the players.  I'm sure team reps (coaches, owners, medical and training staff, etc.) are very well coached as to what is legal to discuss and what isn't.  I wouldn't even be surprised if players sign a waiver in their contracts that allow teams to discuss "sports-related" injuries. 

“When I have to tell Mike and Ted (a player’s season is over), it’s difficult because they’re disappointed and frustrated and it screws up everything they’ve got planned,” McKenzie said. “But it’s not difficult because they’re such class guys. They accept it and move on and deal with it, which is not that way everywhere. Our medical staff is very fortunate that we’ve always had guys like that here.”

In TT and MM and Dr Mac I trust....

I was listening to one of the Wisconsin radio stations and the host was saying that Rodgers was willing to sign a release in order to play. McCarthy definitely sounded ticked about the situation in his press conference.  players are at risk every time they step on the field. If teams waited until each player was 100% healthy they'd never play any games. 

If that quote from the Doc is from the 2010 article it is a few years old now.

 

It seems to me like maybe MM isn't so accepting and willing to move on and deal with it so easily anymore. He is clearly agitated.

IMO, Rodgers is being protected from looking like he doesn't want to go.

 

Rodgers is the one telling the doctor he can't go. There hasn't been a scan in a few weeks. The doctor has to go by what Rodgers is telling him.

 

According to MM, Rodgers has looked like he is ready to go and that he is doing everything in the weight room.

 

I think that's a fair comment.

Its a moving target ( recovery) and its hard to keep all the different people consistent in their messaging for two months. The press is hounding them and asking the same question 12 different ways...And leaks are leaking.

Tough scenario for any team and in retrospect I'm sure there are things they'd do different

oops...my bad...it's only been 7 weeks....thanks Hungry for the correction...

 

well...then, maybe it is best to rest him one more week for the good of the franchise...

 

also, there was high school kid out here a few years back that came back early from a broken forearm...his parents had money and they had him sleep in one of those oxygen rich chambers and the doctors said he healed faster that way....of course, the kid was 17 years old, too....I wonder if Dr. Mac suggested that to AR?

 

I agree they could've handled this better. Where I think the Packers went wrong with this is that they didn't [clearly] state up front that with this type of injury a player is typically out 6-8 weeks. We will not address Aaron's status in detail before that time and there is a specific rehab protocol the medical staff will follow with Aaron.

 

Once Rodgers started practicing (pre-Thanksgiving) they could have easily stated that this is part of the rehab protocol and we aren't in the 6-8 week range yet.

 

They hit the 6 weeks mark MONDAY of THIS WEEK. Just 5 days ago...

 

That said, McCarthy has on numerous occasions mentioned that Aaron is going through the rehab process, that they (medical staff) have a plan. Maybe the guys asking the questions didn't get what that meant.

 

 

Never fear X4. Think any of our takes are out in left field? You got nothing on these people:

 

@BrianCarriveau

Satori, 

 

I'm not that frustrated, but point taken.  I think what is a bit tough to understand, is when does the player get to make a decision, ultimately it's his body.  

 

Now, interesting take, maybe AR is saying he's not ready to the Doc, but telling everyone else he is, knowing the Dr. will hold him out, and AR won't take the heat for not playing.  

 

If he's not ready, he's not ready, but at some point in time, especially with the player and coach "frustrated" that the decision is not "medical" but an "organizational" decision, questions linger.   

 

 

This site is amazing, we have NFL owners, GM's, coaches, cookie icers, doctors and last but not least , masturbaters.  What a country.

Cheers Russ.

Remember, its not his body right now; his ass belongs to the GB Packers till his contract runs out. He can't engage in parachuting, spelunking, dwarf tossing etc until he's done being a Packer

He has to do X number of interviews, he has to wear approved attire, he has to represent the team etc

 

He traded his autonomy for a chance to play and to make millions and this latest episode is just a subtle reminder of that deal he and others make to play in the NFL

 

They get their bodies back when the league is done with them

"Listen up, Dr McKenzie you little spazoid! I know where you live and I've seen where you sleep. I swear to everything holy that if Flynn doesn't pull another magic act, your mothers will cry when they see what I've done to you!"

 

Graham Harrell used to complete every pass in practice too.

 

 

You forgot to add know-it-alls and those who sit on a high horse.

 

You forgot matriculaters dumbarse.

Soap box for me.

And referees.

That would be free safety.

 

This reminds me - wasn't there a SNF or MNF game recently where they showed one of the players piloting a plane and doing stunts in the air? Was it Jimmy Graham? I can't find footage of it, but I remember being completely stunned that his contract allowed him to do that.

Second time you've trotted this out.  This is complete garbage.

 

Sadly, it fits right in with most of the tripe in this thread.

 

What a bunch of ****sticks.

I have to agree that is a serious bucket of dumderp.

Audio:

Jay Glazer talks about Rodgers and Flynn with Mike Francesa

starts @2m15s

 

The segment is from this afternoon and well worth the listen, imo.

Media already trying to use this to stir up some controversy. ESPN trying to portray things as MM and Rodgers having tension over this whole ordeal

 

 

Wilde mentioned their relationship too on Homer tonight saying it may be strained, and that MM said "organization" decision 9 times because he wants to make it clear that he sides with Rodgers and not TT who Wilde said "organization" refers too. Who the eff knows. Don't turn it into a soap opera.

I agree with Satori's earlier post on this page...Let Coaches coach, players play, an doctors make the call on medical decisions. And posters masterbate. Allegedly.

 

Wilde is just  and adding to the fun. It's McKenzie's call, only thing Thompson would be doing is supporting the Dr. This team needs more chips and shoulders.

 

 

Time for a new team doc 

I have my doubts that Wilde is far from the truth.  You solicit info from a doc.  Doc says this level of risk by playing with that injury.  Someone needs to weigh in on whether that is acceptable risk.  GM trumps HC based upon level of risk he's willing to take with #1 player on team for next 5 years.  Where is the pot stirring?

The Packers are conservative on injuries and aren't going to put guys on the field who they think will get hurt again--even if they guy was a high round pick and was injured early in his career.  Go back to Terrence Murphy (2nd round pick) who they released after a neck injury, Jeremy Thompson (4th round pick),  not to mention Nick Collins. Take Clay Matthews--been shut down for multiple games for his hammy, including the Bengals game this year when he felt a twinge after a monster first half--he said it wasn't injured yet, but they didn't want to take the chance of aggravating it (and his absence was a major reason for the Bengals comeback).  Shut down Casey Heyward for the year after his second hamstring pull.

 

While its true the Packers have a huge monetary investment in Rodgers and don't want to jeopardize future seasons, I don't think the decision would be any different if the player involved was  a bottom of the roster player who they intended to move on from after this year.  

A person can always talk about their health on their own volition.

I do not think there has every been a court case involving a NFL player and a HIPPA rights violation.  Like most laws it will take a few court cases to establish the ground rules. until then many teams will be very conservative talking about injuries. There must be  some conflicts between the HIPPA law and NFL rules on reporting injuries. Just more reason for the Packers to say as little as they can.

Yup.  The responsible physician says "No Go".  Simple as that.