Will the TT haters admit he was right (and they were wrong)?

I hate TT and I admit he was right and I was wrong

IMO, TT was vindicated after the 2008 season. At that point everyone knew that Rodgers had the talent, durability and leadership to become a top 5 NFL QB for many years. And remember, Rodgers would have been a free agent after this season if he wasn’t extended during 2008. If Favre was still playing for the Packers in 2009, there is a good possibility Rodgers leaves in free agency. The franchise tag would have been a possibility, but as we now know, it would have been a huge mess with the “will he, won’t he come back” thing with Favre while trying to figure out what to do with Rodgers. I think we all now see that the Favre-to-Rodgers transition was never going to be smooth, so we just need to be happy it’s over. Just think, we were able to replace Favre with an ELITE QB, get a 3rd round pick out of it (which I think turned out to be Finley) AND got to see one of our hated rivals get devastated at the hands of the QB that turned his back on our own franchise. Really, it couldn’t have worked out much better.

The Favre pick (3rd round) was used as part of the deal move up to get CMIII.

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IMO, TT was vindicated after the 2008 season. At that point everyone knew that Rodgers had the talent, durability and leadership to become a top 5 NFL QB for many years. And remember, Rodgers would have been a free agent after this season if he wasn’t extended during 2008. If Favre was still playing for the Packers in 2009, there is a good possibility Rodgers leaves in free agency. The franchise tag would have been a possibility, but as we now know, it would have been a huge mess with the “will he, won’t he come back” thing with Favre while trying to figure out what to do with Rodgers. I think we all now see that the Favre-to-Rodgers transition was never going to be smooth, so we just need to be happy it’s over. Just think, we were able to replace Favre with an ELITE QB, get a 3rd round pick out of it (which I think turned out to be Finley) AND got to see one of our hated rivals get devastated at the hands of the QB that turned his back on our own franchise. Really, it couldn’t have worked out much better.

The circle of life.

Remember though:

He's just a kid having fun out there ...

A gunslinger just trying to make a play ...

A warrior using only blood and guts with nothing left to prove.

I believe the pick we got from the Jets was parlayed into the Clay Matthews III pick.

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Originally posted by trump:


The circle of life.

Remember though:

He's just a kid having fun out there ...

A gunslinger just trying to make a play ...

A warrior using only blood and guts with nothing left to prove.

And it doesn't matter what the media prints, if he hangs em up now, he went out on top!

don't forget, we used the third round pick as ammo to trade up to pick Clay Matthews

Now I am reading in some Minn papers that some fans actually want him to retire after the beating he took in NO, and the fact that once again he had a brain fart on that across the body prayer he threw up which was intercepted, when all he had to do was run as fast and as far as he could in an open field to set up the winning FG and go on to the SB,Packer fans are no strangers to Favres brain farts at the most inoportune moments in huge games,now Viking fans are witnessing that first hand,I will say though that nobody can deny his courage,he is a tough SOB.

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Originally posted by CUPackFan:
IMO, TT was vindicated after the 2008 season. At that point everyone knew that Rodgers had the talent, durability and leadership to become a top 5 NFL QB for many years. And remember, Rodgers would have been a free agent after this season if he wasn’t extended during 2008. If Favre was still playing for the Packers in 2009, there is a good possibility Rodgers leaves in free agency. The franchise tag would have been a possibility, but as we now know, it would have been a huge mess with the “will he, won’t he come back” thing with Favre while trying to figure out what to do with Rodgers. I think we all now see that the Favre-to-Rodgers transition was never going to be smooth, so we just need to be happy it’s over. Just think, we were able to replace Favre with an ELITE QB, get a 3rd round pick out of it (which I think turned out to be Finley) AND got to see one of our hated rivals get devastated at the hands of the QB that turned his back on our own franchise. Really, it couldn’t have worked out much better.

Excellent post.

I get the feeling that Favre threw the pass instead of running b/c he didn’t want to get hit again.

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
don't forget, we used the third round pick as ammo to trade up to pick Clay Matthews

I forgot about that, also,if my memory serves me correctly, we used that 3rd round pick to move up to select Clay MatthewsIII

TT being right/wrong is more about Rodgers and how he has turned out. So far so good with A Rod.

I believe if the Packers did not have a viable option waiting to take over, they would have done everything they could to convince him to come back

Hey did you guys know that we used the pick we got for Favre to trade up and get Clay Matthews III? I was floored!

CUPackFan, I think you're right just like vs. the Vikings in the playoffs when he could have ran for a 1st down/TD and instead threw the ball after he crossed the LOS.

Does anyone know if we used the 3rd rounder for Favre to trade up and get Clay Matthews?

The third round pick was given away to Billy B.

Nice work Ted.

I think TT used that pick to get Clay Matthews, if memory serves.

He coulda used that pick to trade for Joe Thomas.

i thought they used it to draft breno?

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Originally posted by CUPackFan:
And remember, Rodgers would have been a free agent after this season if he wasn’t extended during 2008. If Favre was still playing for the Packers in 2009, there is a good possibility Rodgers leaves in free agency.

That is something that is never talked about by many fans and the media. Guess who may have signed AR if he hit Free Agency? Yep MN could have and then he would have been around for 15 years and come back to bite the Packers hard. So ROTTT decided to take the lesser of 2 evils.

Going to play half Devil's advocate and half my opinion.

Was he right in not bringing back Favre? I still say that is incomplete.

To qualify "incomplete" is that it doesn't mean the Rodgers isn't a wonderful QB.

But incomplete is the sense, we were at the Championship Game in 2007. Based on appearances (which may or may not be accurate) Favre wanted to come back. Favre wanted Moss. Wanted to keep the guards, etc, etc. He wanted to "win now".

By moving on from Favre, TT made the decision to "build" and not pull some big deals. The reason that is incomplete, is TT has had some good success with the free agency (something I used to curse him one, until I viewed his results).

The V1kings offered Favre the opportunity to win now. He made a stupid throw and cost his team the game. As a player, I would still argue that no one is more entertaining or, though it is mocked here, a "warrior". He took a huge beating on Sunday night that I haven't seen a QB take for a while. I like Favre more than I hate the V1kings. I make no apologies for that.

I don't know if they could have won a Super Bowl with Favre as a Packer or if Favre wanted to play for a GM that wanted to move forward with youth and the draft. I just don't.

The reason for the incomplete, because TT has yet to build a championship team.

Was he right in drafting Rodgers? Hell yes!

I'm I completely sold on him as a championship G.M.? No.

Has he done a good job as G.M.? Yes. He seems to move quickly on from mistakes. He has a good track record with free agency. He has an eye for skill position players.

We saw how far Favre could take a team that wanted to win now, let's hope TT and MM can take us two steps farther. I know Rodgers has the talent, but does he have the coach and/or GM to allow him to succeed at the next level.

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Originally posted by JJSD:
He coulda used that pick to trade for Joe Thomas.

That would have been the cat's ass, but we know TT isn't bright enough to make a move like that. It's really sad, cause I hear the Browns are looking to move the guy.

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Does anyone know if we used the 3rd rounder for Favre to trade up and get Clay Matthews?

I thought they used it to move up and get BJ Sander.

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Originally posted by The GBP Rules:
i thought they used it to draft breno?

Nope. Definitely Matthews. Almost positive.

Hey Greg Betard just reported we used a 3rd for Clay Matthews? Any truth in that?

Bedard said that? Sh1t, now I'm starting to have my doubts.

I still don't care for Ted Turner.

There's a saying that says love is blind. We'll, so is hate.

We all witnessed a few folks post here last night who must feel lukey to have the home fires of hate still burning despite the overwhelming evidence that Ted made the right decision and Favre simply cannot win the big games anymore. He can win the ones that are less pressured (e.g. Seattle in 2007, Dallas in 2009) but when it comes to the biggest dances to get his teams to the promised land:

FAIL.

And to the increasingly few who can't come to grips with who Favre is and what he is truly capable of:

FAIL.

Bottom line: If they haven't admitted he was right, then all they'll do is just further embarass themselves. Just like their fallen, self absorbed old and tired hero if he continues to play.

sorry Max, but Favre's track record as a GM is crap.

He ended up parlaying himself for Clay Mathews Jr. That one is a certain win for the Pack.

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Originally posted by Fedya:

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Does anyone know if we used the 3rd rounder for Favre to trade up and get Clay Matthews?

I thought they used it to move up and get BJ Sander.

Am I the only one here who thinks all the oral sex references got tired months ago?

GB packaged the 3rd they got from the Jets for Favre and another 3rd, and a 2nd to move up into the first round to get Clay Matthews. 3 picks for him.

one of those picks was used in part to get CMIII, IIRC

I saw somewhere that they used the pick for ammo.

El-kA-bong. I may have accidentally reported you fir "abuse" trying to respond on the iPhone. Sorry.

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Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
I saw somewhere that they used the pick for ammo.

Didn't he make the All-Rookie X4 team

I will appropriately discipline myself

by watching Brent throw the pick over and over.

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
one of those picks was used in part to get CMIII, IIRC

This.

Has anyone mentioned yet that one of those picks got CMIII?

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Was he right in not bringing back Favre? I still say that is incomplete.

Wrong. Had the Packers kept TOG, their record over the last 2 seasons would not have been any better than it was under Rodgers, and probably would have been worse.