2013 TM93 WK10: Philadelphia at Green Bay Gameday Thread

I think TT deserves some criticism. He said so himself with regard to backup QB. But there are fissures all over the place. Including so called points of emphasis. Aaron Rodgers absence, great as he is, should not have DB's playing passes like Stevie Wonder. And defenders missing tackles like the opposing RB's and WR's have silicone on their jersey.

If you believe the Packers have great talent defensively than its the defensive coaches.

Nick Collins, Clay Matthews, Desmond Bishop, Casey Hayward, BJ Raji.

All drafted. All have either had a tremendous impact or are fully capable of making an impact.

Do you realize there are teams that go through what we're going through right now for like 10 years? This is going to last about 5 weeks. 

Stop ****ting your pants bro.

If pressuring the QB's is beyond your grasp I cannot help. Sacks are not the only thing a pass rush does, pressure, forced throws, they're both stats that are kept by teams and the league.

Osi was a 4-3 defensive end, doesn't fit in our scheme, and as pointed out above has done no better this year than Daniels or Jones.  And, one of the reasons Kap sucked today was his favorite target--Vernon Davis---was knocked out, Crabtree didn't play, and the 49ers had only one healthy tight end.

Again, you understand Osi is a 4-3 DE, right? Where are you lining him up opposite Clay?

No question Carolina has a great defense. Drafting early for a prolonged period of time can pay off. It did for the 49ers and Carolina in the case of their defense. That's a luxury GB hasn't had for a long time.

I'm not ****ting my pants bro.

I went through a lot in the 1970's and 1980's with this team. Favre & Rodgers made that go away. But my concern is wasting the prime of Aaron Rodgers with a defense that is average. Remember, 2010 isn't happening without the Giants blowing up at home leading 31-10 and less then 8 minutes to go.

Uh, no, I am waiting for you to prove your vague "we don't get enough pressure or pass rush"--the stats refute you. Sacks, for example, are concrete examples of a pass rush. Interceptions are another indication that the QB had to hurry his throw.  I know, facts are stubborn things......

Minus a certain poster the discussion was quite civil, thanks.

Good night.

Yeah. Panthers put some pressure on Keap. And they didn't use cheap FA signings to do it. Hardy, Johnson, Short, Loutulelei. Those are all guys the Panthers drafted. 

Luke Kuechly is another. 9th overall pick this year.

This is the same justification following the playoff loss to the Giants in 2011. And the Kaepernick game in last year's playoffs. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Maybe it is the players. But at a certain point, it becomes a moot point. No one in the NFL is so secure in their job that they can survive repeated breakdowns in performance, regardless of the reasons. I'm sure the players under Bob Sanders failed to execute as well. Or Bob Slowick. Or Ed Donatell. At a certain point, it falls on the coaches.

In each of the last two weeks, opponents with back-up QBs have essentially run out the final nine minutes of the ballgame. That's unheard of. When you add in the complete lack of pass rush from the OLBs, awful ball and coverage skills of the secondary, and poor tackling, it's awfully hard for the coaches to survive.

It's no longer a question to me of whether Capers should be gone…the question is who to replace him. Frankly, I don't think anyone on that staff should be promoted. Ray Horton would have been a nice hire over the off season -- his defenses look good to me. Or how about a guy like Derek Mason from Stanford? Just get someone else in there...

It's actually a fair question. Why not address the question rather than the poster?

It's actually a fair question?

"If the players aren't good enough over 16 regular season games it is on the GM, not the DC"

A SB win and the last two division titles since 2010 and leading the division this year until AR went down while leading the NFL in starter games lost during that same period.

"Signing a cheap FA would have helped"

Who??? You have to name names if you're playing that card. And you better believe you're getting called when the name is a 31 year old 4-3 DE.

"Take Aaron out of the equation and tell me about TT"

Just a complete WTF argument. Almost as bad as the poster who stated if we took 2010 away from Aaron Rodgers his post season record would look just like Tony Romo.

It's not a fair question. It's bitching without actually providing any real ideas or suggestions about what might be done help correct the real issues that GB needs to address right now, today, to help this team end a two game skid.

I guess what I'm saying is why is our defense so bad considering we've spent so many picks on defense? We see how bad this team is without Rodgers outscoring the other team. Can't we ask TT why?

holy **** the stupid I just read in this thread

I M H O the problem lies directly with coaching. Coaches prepare players , coaches motivate players! I did not see preparation or motivation from the defense in the last two lost games. Nowadays there is way too much "buddy buddy" between coaches and players. Coaching any position requires that respect flows two ways. It is not the players position to demand respect. It is the coach who demands respect and by proving that his coached tactics work on the field reinforces the players belief in the coach.

The Packer defensive players do not exhibit the motivation or the preparation. What kind of player talks about how they have to pick up the slack then goes out the next week and lays an egg?  If the defensive coaches have performed their jobs correctly the only conclusion is that the players do not believe or respect their coaches enough to exert the effort to make the system work. The talent is there, it is the super effort on every play that is lacking.

In a way it's good to read this type of thermonuclear stupid right away in the morning.  It'll remind me that no matter what mistakes I make today, I'm not this dum.

Chili - take a break.  We're at that point of the season much like where we were at after GB lost to Tampa in 2009, after they lost to Miami in 2010, etc...  All the idiots who hide when the team does well smell blood, come out of the woodwork and celebrate finally, maybe being right about GB sucking.  You can't make a dent in an avalanche of derp.  Just let it run its course and laugh at it.

They used to post on the game thread during the games, but after getting called out and made fools of repeatedly, they waited for the post game thread.  The worst thing that ever happened in their world is that we won a Super Bowl in 2010, because their all consuming hatred of TT and the shots they took at him lost a lot of it's zip.  Now, they are reduced to the piddling "Rodgers fell in TT's lap" argument.....

Kinda what I thought...drink up James Jones...

Originally Posted by excalibur:

        Remember, 2010 isn't happening without the Giants blowing up at home leading 31-10 and less then 8 minutes to go.

Why do you want him to do that?

Detroit went 6-10 in 2010, so that doesn't sound right.

But to the larger point you are correct. I do remember that Giants tiebreaker, flip the game and Giants win the division, Eagles try in Week 17 against the Cowboys, maybe win that game, but would lose head-to-head tiebreaker with Packers, which doesn't matter because it's a 3-way tie with Tampa involved. But Philly would be eliminated at the next step with 7-5 conference record vs 8-4 for the Bays. In the end the Packers would advance over the Buccaneers the same way they did in actuality. Significantly better record against common opponents.

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I just read that with Eeyore's voice in my mind....very amusing!!

Sorry, had that backwards. Detroit beat Tampa in OT. If Tampa had won that game they would have gotten the WC spot.