2014 Position Battles

Ivery/Ellis  on Line.....oh, never mind!

 

Here's his rating from PFF ( which is just one piece of the assessment)

He needs to be a LOT better if he is going to be the LT for the foreseeable future

 

https://www.profootballfocus.c...t-offensive-tackles/

Thanks, this helps a lot.  Rude or sarcasm?

 

The first thing I’d say to anyone is that the systems’ not perfect…. A +13.4 is not always better than a +11.2 but perhaps a +10.3 is 98% certain to be better than a -3.4 etc. It’s just a system like any other but what we aim to do is put context on all plays. If a CB is badly beaten but the WR drops the pass the base stats would say that’s simply an incompletion against the CB but in our system it’s a negative grade.

 

Neil Hornsby. Founder - Pro Football Focus

 

 

Not a fan of PFF. No one seems to really understand their grading and often their grades seem quite contrary to the eye-test of many.

I don't know what their system is all about at PFF or how they do it and they don't know what the coaches asked for on any specific play.

 

However, if they are consistent in the process they use then we can glean some info on how players perform relative to other players at a similar position.

 

Bak played good for a rookie, but not as well as some other rookies and certainly not good enough for what GB wants at that critical position.

 

I want Chad Clifton II in pass pro; whether that comes from an improved Bak or Sherrod (or other) is to be determined.

 

When Rodgers got injured, it was Bak getting beat by Peppers that forced Rodgers to flee the pocket...and that happened way too often in 2013.

 

When the Packers lost at Cinn, many blamed Franklin for the fumble. But it was Bak whiffing on his cut block that allowed the instant penetration which led to the fumble in the first place.

 

I don't "dislike" Bak; but GB really needs better performance at that position to succeed in the playoffs. Feel- good stories and cheering for the underdog are wonderful for the fans, but at some point you have to look at it with a critical eye and assess the actual performance instead of just the storyline

 

I'm not qualified to do that, so I look around at what else is out there to offer insight into OL performance; one of the most difficult things for fans to assess

 

Additionally, I re-watched the Packers at vikings game and saw in living color the limitations of EDS. He knew what he was supposed to do, but he was physically incapable of getting from point A to point B in time. And that allowed Henderson to blow up Lacy while EDS stood there with his dick in his hand.

That's not good enough.

 

The Packers need improved play on the OL and it starts with an honest assessment.

 

PFF brings something to the table in that regard and adds a little insight into their performance.

Take it for what its worth...

 

 

Go Packers

 

So are you saying that we're raising a generation of superkids?

PFF graded Hawk low week after week

 

must be something to their system. 

Time for the mighty Green Bay Packers to become......

El-Ka-Bong's white-hot, unhealthy hatred of AJ Hawk is jealous of the new fire of disdain that burns from the belly of Satori towards Bahktiari.  

 

Maybe you guys could double-date some night...

I'm free tonight, what's on the grill ?

 

Toasted EDS or half- baked Bak ?

Burnt Hawk perhaps ?

Bak looked like a rookie at times, but not often like a 4th rounder. Getting beat by Peppers and (was it) Michael Johnson @CIN, happened to a lot of players last year.

 

 

"if they are consistent in the process they use"

 

 

I don't think they are.

A +13.4 is not always better than a +11.2 but perhaps a +10.3 is 98% certain to be better than a -3.4

Nice endorsement of their system.

 

Burnt Bak toast, greasy, slippery EDS bacon that just sort of sits off to the side and Hawk pancakes.  

I'll take foods that make you throw up a lot for $500 Alex.

 

Is BushBerry pie for dessert?

 

 

Nope.  McCarthy head lard and Ted's famous framunda cheese.

Brad Jones got extremely high marks from PFF following the 2012 season. Not sure what that says about their system.

 

Jones wasn't bad in 2012, but it was kinda like when a 6 goes out for a night on the town with her 4 friend just so the 6 looks a little hotter. 

 

Satanori better put out on the first date. 

The first two ( 13/11) are too close to call, the 2nd set of numbers(+10/ -3) shows that relatively speaking one players' performance was better than another (using this methodology.) If we can find others, I'm always interested in learning more

 

The Packers grading system is from -1 to +1 for each play but we'll never get to see that stuff

 

McGinn gave him a C

Finished second in pressures allowed (37, including 6½ sacks) and second in bad runs (15½, and had far too many penalties (10).

 

Do you really want a C student protecting the blind side ?

 

 

only takes a 6 pack

Satorya usually voice of GBP reason....however, really missing the boat on Buck Cherry.   We have our LT for the next 8 seasons.   

If you would have told me the 4th round rookie would start at LT against every teams best pass rusher and fire and brimstone McGinn would grade him a C given who the eff knows what the alternative might have been after Bulaga went down, I'd take it and never look back.

Bak put on 10lbs of muscle. Worked on his footwork. He knows he needs to get better. I think the kids going to kick ass this year.

Could be

I've missed a lot of boats lately; its almost a fleet at this point

 

 

Home raised pork chops.  A little shake of Lowery's and black pepper and pure maple syrup drizzled as they cook. Used indirect heat on the flip side, sweet and juicy. 

TE--Quarless, Richard Rodgers, Colt Lyerla, Ryan Taylor.   Rodgers sounds amazing.   Quarless is mediocre  from what I've seen, though I don't watch his blocking like some of you guys.   I admit I watch these guys as receivers.  But they won't keep 4 will they?   I would think 3 at most.

 

ILB--Hawk is a lock.  So ....

Brad Jones vs. Korey Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington, or

Jake Doughty

 

PR--

DuJuan Harris vs.
Jared Abbrederis &
Micah Hyde

 

DE's--

Mike Daniels is a lock.

Peppers is a lock, whether he's at DE or OLB.

 

Who else do they keep:

Josh Boyd
Datone Jones?  (I'm rooting for this guy!)
Mike Neal?
Khyri Thornton (rookie; could be on practice squad if he needs more time)

Jerel Worthy?  (I''m tired of waiting, Jerel!!!!)

 

WR's--

Jordy and Cobb are locks.  Probably Boykin too, but it's possible (maybe not

probably) that he could slide from 3rd to 4th WR.

 

Who else sticks?

Jared abredderis
or Davante Adams (the hype sure has been strong; hope his play is too!)
Myles White??
or Jeff Janis? (again a rookie who could be on the practice squad)
or Chris Harper  (I've read good comments from the coaches ...)

PFFU

quote:

TE--Quarless, Richard Rodgers, Colt Lyerla, Ryan Taylor.   Rodgers sounds amazing.   Quarless is mediocre  from what I've seen, though I don't watch his blocking like some of you guys.   I admit I watch these guys as receivers.  But they won't keep 4 will they?   I would think 3 at most.

What about Bostick?

Yah, I'd take Bostick ahead of Taylor.

They kept five TE's a few seasons ago, so four sounds reasonable.  They all should be able to help on ST's as well.

Gb's tight ends as a group are average to below average.  They are in direct competition with the MLB's for ****tiest position group on the roster. 

 

Maybe Dick can change that for us. 

From JSO

Couple of quotes from Sitton on the change from OT to Center that Tretter is experiencing now

 

"Asked what Tretter's challenge is, left guard Josh Sitton says "everything" and then details why switching to center is so difficult."

 

"You have to get the ball up and that guy is a couple inches away," Sitton said. "At guard and tackle, you're a little further back. The biggest thing is having that reaction, that very quick-twitch reaction with the guy so close to you. Because he was telling me, he's used to having a couple steps playing tackle and then reacting."

 

The same reason that Tretter is "struggling" is why Raji is excelling in practice.

Up close, BJ will win his battles; but further out, his skills are diminished

 

Sounds like Grasshopper is learning from BJ

 

 

That's a good thing. Genius will get it done.

Agree with Pakrzboi about TE & MLB. Some improvement from thosE 2 slots would be a welcomed change.

Dick Rodgers from the 24th and a half century!!

Dude, you ripped on the Dick Rodgers pick and now he is blowing it up in camp. I think you should join me in showing patience in this group. Unproven doesn't mean ****ty.

Any word on Davante Adams is looking?? This could end up being a very good draft!!

Safety is getting a bit interesting. All indications are that Hyde has the one spot pretty well locked up, but pieces from both Wilde and Demovsky seem to show Perry as open to the idea that a better option than Morgan Burnett may be available.

 

My guess is they'll stick with Burnett, but the comments from Perry are very encouraging.

I'll believe it when it see it on Sundays. 

All about competition.

 

The best players will compete for starting spots & the best players will be on the field Sept 4th.

 

That includes Burnett, Bakhtiari, AJ Hawk, etc.

 

Here's an article discussing Tretter & Adams

McCarthy has been raving about Richardson at safety.   Hyde has looked good as well.  Then you have Ha Ha and he's flashed some talent.  It would not surprise me one bit if Burnett is the odd man out.  He has all the ability in the world but he just doesn't make enough plays.

Coaching staff trusts Burnett too much.  Unless he is sidelined by injuries, his job is secure.  He is the AJ Hawk of the secondary.

Peppers loafing?

It's about results

I don't think the coaches really care how smart he is they watch film and can see performance with their own two eyes

The Packers will pick the best players at safety and right now I am not sure that is Burnett

We'll see how things play out in preseason but the good news is there is competition at safety and the best guy should end up playing

What if she doesn't have 4 friends....maybe she's socially inept and doesn't have any friends...what does she do then?

I just want to see Peppers bring it during the real games. I can't be concerned about practices.