His mechanics were awful and he couldn't even pick up a second read but otherwise he was pretty good.
17/35, 180 yards, 0 td, 2 int. Passer rating of 40.2 Lost 28-0 to Saints
Troy Aikman's stats in his first start.
@michiganjoe posted:Love needs to play better, but it's pretty silly to write off his career after one game and the ridiculous overreactions really aren't a surprise.
He read things well or at least adequately on early downs. He really didn't have an answer when they blitzed the house. He was literally helpless. You'd have thought you could have coached him up on the sidelines to change into a play that had a chance instead of lobbing the ball out of bounds.
The biggest concern I have is that he seemed Hundleyesque in that he was fine throwing to a stationary target, but had very little feel in terms of throwing to a spot.
@michiganjoe posted:17/35, 180 yards, 0 td, 2 int. Passer rating of 40.2 Lost 28-0 to Saints
Troy Aikman's stats in his first start.
They went 1-15.
I was most dismayed by his lack of accuracy. He often made the right read and decision, but couldn't get the ball there. Needs to improve but pretty silly to write him off completely after one game.
@Henry posted:They went 1-15.
Missing the point but you never liked the pick anyway so not surprising that you're throwing in the towel on him already.
@michiganjoe posted:17/35, 180 yards, 0 td, 2 int. Passer rating of 40.2 Lost 28-0 to Saints
Troy Aikman's stats in his first start.
He didn’t take over a 7-1 team.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:He read things well or at least adequately on early downs. He really didn't have an answer when they blitzed the house. He was literally helpless. You'd have thought you could have coached him up on the sidelines to change into a play that had a chance instead of lobbing the ball out of bounds.
The biggest concern I have is that he seemed Hundleyesque in that he was fine throwing to a stationary target, but had very little feel in terms of throwing to a spot.
Spot on. I’ll add he has a tendency, like Hundley, to try and escape right too often.
@michiganjoe posted:I was most dismayed by his lack of accuracy. He often made the right read and decision, but couldn't get the ball there. Needs to improve but pretty silly to write him off completely after one game.
Agree. Several times went to the right guy but just wasn't quite as accurate as he needed to be leading guys. Game speed vs practice speed. Love has never been in on "real" game speed. On the pick where he went to Adams, again, six inches down and it's a completion or dropped ball at worst.
@michiganjoe posted:I was most dismayed by his lack of accuracy. He often made the right read and decision, but couldn't get the ball there. Needs to improve but pretty silly to write him off completely after one game.
He also doesn't seem to have an elite arm. You don't need to have one to be effective (Drew Brees), but it helps. If you aren't accurate or have a strong arm, you really don't have a chance. Maybe the accuracy gets better.
@michiganjoe posted:Missing the point but you never liked the pick anyway so not surprising that you're throwing in the towel on him already.
No, I don't think I did at all. They went 1-15 because the entire team was being rebuilt and they rebuilt into multi Super Bowl champ with Aikman at the helm. I'd also say Aikman was a recipient of one of the last great teams built before the salary cap, thanks to the Vikings. He's the most game managery HOFer in recent memory.
Love walked into an arguable turn key situation and didn't just look rookie bad, he looked I will never be anything but average bad.
I'm not certain what to think of Love. So I'm just going to not think.
@michiganjoe posted:17/35, 180 yards, 0 td, 2 int. Passer rating of 40.2 Lost 28-0 to Saints
Troy Aikman's stats in his first start.
Did Aikman have 18 months watching and learning from a first ballot hall of famer that went a collective 22-4 before getting his first start?
Jordan love isn't an NFL quarterback... and that's okay...because there are over 6 billion people in the world just like him.
What makes this dumb fucking draft pick so asinine is that it started the long drawn-out ugly Rodgers/Packers divorce... but now there's NFL tape (there was plenty of who gives a shit conference tape that nobody cared about for some reason) proving this kid is out of the league in 3 years at worst, or on a practice squad at best, meaning the Packers literally have zero options other than to beg Rodgers not to leave.
GB needs to collect everyone involved with ST tomorrow am and tell them the bus outside will be taking them to Austin Straubel to fly away to whatever is next.
You know what fucking happens when you have an NFL caliber backup quarterback?
Cooper Rush beats the Vikings in primetime. Colt McCoy beats the 49ers. Matt Flynn beats the Cowboys.
@Tschmack posted:The funny thing is had the special teams done their job it’s likely the Packers win this game. But people will dwell on Love and how bad he looked.
And you think Love was a big part of "likely winning" against a horrible defense? Surely you must mean Dillon and Jones. ST sucking ass doesn't change that Love stunk as well.
@Henry posted:No, I don't think I did at all. They went 1-15 because the entire team was being rebuilt and they rebuilt into multi Super Bowl champ with Aikman at the helm. I'd also say Aikman was a recipient of one of the last great teams built before the salary cap, thanks to the Vikings. He's the most game managery HOFer in recent memory.
Love walked into an arguable turn key situation and didn't just look rookie bad, he looked I will never be anything but average bad.
The Cowboys also gave up halfway through the year and traded Herschel Walker for what became the following:
https://americanfootballdataba...erschel_Walker_trade
- Dallas Cowboys received
- LB Jesse Solomon
- LB David Howard
- CB Issiac Holt
- RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
- DE Alex Stewart
- Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
- Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright)
- Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
- Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (12) (Alvin Harper)
- Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (38) (Dixon Edwards)
- Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (37) (Darren Woodson)
- Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
- Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) - (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)[1]
@Henry posted:And you think Love was a big part of "likely winning" against a horrible defense? Surely you must mean Dillon and Jones. ST sucking ass doesn't change that Love stunk as well.
Lots of reasons for the L... the reality is that Jordan Love is not the answer. He was fucking horrible. I hope Gute is paying attention.
Go 12.
@NumberThree posted:Jordan love isn't an NFL quarterback... and that's okay...because there are over 6 billion people in the world just like him.
You make it sound like he is Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell and Jerry Tagge all wrapped up in one. You football knowlegde is highly questionable.
@NumberThree posted:You know what fucking happens when you have an NFL caliber backup quarterback?
Cooper Rush beats the Vikings in primetime. Colt McCoy beats the 49ers. Matt Flynn beats the Cowboys.
The Vikings, Niners, and Cowboys defenses are also much better than the Chiefs. The Chiefs defense has been awful.
This is a defense that gave up 430+ yards to the Browns, Ravens, Eagles, and Bills this year. The Packers lined up the best WR in football, a Pro-Bowl RB, and a good 2nd RB, and the line held up well on the road.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:The Vikings, Niners, and Cowboys defenses are also much better than the Chiefs. The Chiefs defense has been awful.
This is a defense that gave up 430+ yards to the Browns, Ravens, Eagles, and Bills this year. The Packers lined up the best WR in football, a Pro-Bowl RB, and a good 2nd RB, and the line held up well on the road.
Having said that, Love wasn't TJ Rubley level. He was a probably a D+/C- today.
He didn't make any mistakes that lost the game, but he didn't do anything to win it either.
We may have really just seen what a MLF offense looks like when you don't have a top 10 QB all-time running it.
@NumberThree posted:Jordan love isn't an NFL quarterback... and that's okay...because there are over 6 billion people in the world just like him.
With 7.8 billion people in the world, that leaves a lot of better quarterbacks on this Earth than Love, most in China or India, which, think of the woke quota boxes that signing would check?
@BrainDed posted:He didn’t take over a 7-1 team.
Take over???? Find out on Wednesday you have to start because the dipshit starter contracted covid.
You think it has dawned on Murphy that the past three years offensive success isn't all due the MLF's offense?
@NumberThree posted:What makes this dumb fucking draft pick so asinine is that it started the long drawn-out ugly Rodgers/Packers divorce... but now there's NFL tape (there was plenty of who gives a shit conference tape that nobody cared about for some reason) proving this kid is out of the league in 3 years at worst, or on a practice squad at best, meaning the Packers literally have zero options other than to beg Rodgers not to leave.
I've said this in other threads, but the fact there is no reporting from beat writers on what's he looked like in practice for the last two years shows the lack of actual reporting going on.
Does he light up the defense running the scout team like Rodgers started to do in his second year? As much as some of us got sick of Big Bad Bob McGinn, at least there was some actual reporting going on. The guys on the beat now are more worried about maintaining access and not pissing anybody off so they can continue to write puff pieces.
@ChilliJon posted:Fuck Rodgers.
I get it. I do... but he is our future. Careful.
This is the new NFL, Love Lost game experience because of covid and this year it was all 3rd and 4th string guys in preseason. Lafleur needed to understand they were going to send the house at Love
@GBFanForLife posted:Take over???? Find out on Wednesday you have to start because the dipshit starter contracted covid.
That's what back up QBs do.
The best thing I can say about Love. He didn't throw a pick-6.
Yea us!
@Blair Kiel posted:With 7.8 billion people in the world, that leaves a lot of better quarterbacks on this Earth than Love, most in China or India, which, think of the woke quota boxes that signing would check?
Such as....vaccinated?
I would think the only people on the roster able to do that would be the fellas in his inner circle. Cobby, Bak,.... ???
Someone will. He needs to hear it.
+ defense, esp 51; game wrecker
+ running when everybody in the building knew it was a run and getting yards...that's hard to do.
+ getting to see 10 play *and what ensued...
- 10 is not anywhere on this planet ready to play nfl qb.
- mlf for not 'thinking' the gameplan should include wtf to do with all out blitzes...
- mlf did plan for these and 10 just couldn't think/do/adjust
- 10 did not make me have any hopes for the 10 era...this guy looked absolutely lost out there; he has had 1.5 years to learn, with a really good team around him and laid a giant turd...FO better be watching, this is not it...keep 12, like it or not and work on plan b - could be some FA guy or whatever, 10 is not it i hate to say - and i will eat shit if he is...he didn't make anything that shows me: wow, or even yep, he can do this...zero.
- crazy but the game could have been tied with 2 fg's
- 8 is shit back there, use cobb or something else. let's the ball over his head and mis-judges balls, terrible; not even like we are asking them to take it to the house, just don't make mistakes...i guess this is too much...
@Henry posted:That's what back up QBs do.
Maybe for a backup QB who has started a regular season game.
@Pakrz posted:I would think the only people on the roster able to do that would be the fellas in his inner circle. Cobby, Bak,.... ???
I don’t think anybody who doesn’t kiss his ass and who would call out his entitled look-at-me bullshit (Instagram, designer golf cart, Kentucky Derby nouveau riche posing) is in the philosopher-king’s inner circle.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:We may have really just seen what a MLF offense looks like when you don't have a top 10 QB all-time running it.
I don't think that's fair. There is a wide spectrum of QB quality between AR and JL and I would believe a mid-grade QB could win in his system. I don't think MLF prepared JL properly for this game but then again, they had what 3 practices with 10 and the starting O? I would question why he after 18months wasn't familiar enough with what JL could and couldn't do to have a better game plan.