Round 2 No. 34 (From the Vikings) WR Christian Watson ND State

@Pakrz posted:

It’s not that I don’t like Love. He seems like a nice kid. I just don’t think he’s that good at playing QB. He can certainly improve but so can Watson and any other young player struggling.

I think when people like you put so much energy into defending every single ounce of Love’s play but dismiss other players as trash that will never get any better is the rub I have. I assume others as well… except YA. He’s just a dipshit follower with no original thoughts and a very weird obsession with emojis.

I'm just calling it like I see it. I see a lot more upside at a harder position to fill with Love than I do in Watson. He's getting outplayed by rookies. And that's not really his fault. He came from a program that didn't play the type of competition these other guys did so he has a lot of catching up to do. But he's treading water in the 2nd year of a 4 year deal. I look at Wentz and Lance and see the same thing. In my mind he's MVS at best.

Love has a lot of tools and intangibles you want in a QB and if he had a better supporting cast he'd look a lot different. A supporting cast makes a big difference for a QB, a WR not so much.

Could you not make an argument that Watson would look better this year if he had a better QB throwing him the football than Love?  I wonder what Watson's year 2 would look like with a healthy Rodgers throwing the football in his direction.  You know... on time and accurate passes.  

@Chongo posted:

I recall there were plenty of people willing to call #17 a bust after his poor sophomore season. Turns out he was dealing with an ankle injury all season, just never made an issue of it. Watson missed a lot of reps in practice and games because of his hamstring. That is a problem...especially in a young guy.

From what I remember, most of the WRs were injured during #17’s sophomore season. He probably wouldn’t have even played except for the fact that the team needed eleven guys on the field. But he did play, and he caught hell because he struggled on one good leg….and he never complained or made excuses.

Dude has guts. It’s no surprise that he turned into the best WR in the league.  It’s unfortunate that he left coz the current group of receivers (especially Watson) could benefit from some veteran leadership.

I'm sure you could make that argument but I see Watson not fighting for balls, running lame routes. Other WRs are not doing that. When I look at Wicks and Watson I know which guy I'd rather have on the field and it might even be time for Heath to get more opportunities.

Last season with Rodgers he had 3 big games and every other game was under 50 yards. I'll agree he has the size and speed but there is a lot more than that to be a starting WR in the NFL. I just see certain flaws that he's not going to change in time for the Packers to benefit.

Maybe a better question would be how would Rodgers look in GB with a rag tag OL, an ineffective Aaron Jones, and even less WR experience that hindered him last season? If Rodgers was in GB he'd be happy he tore his achilles.

@PackerRick posted:

I'm sure you could make that argument but I see Watson not fighting for balls, running lame routes. Other WRs are not doing that. When I look at Wicks and Watson I know which guy I'd rather have on the field and it might even be time for Heath to get more opportunities.

Last season with Rodgers he had 3 big games and every other game was under 50 yards. I'll agree he has the size and speed but there is a lot more than that to be a starting WR in the NFL. I just see certain flaws that he's not going to change in time for the Packers to benefit.

Maybe a better question would be how would Rodgers look in GB with a rag tag OL, an ineffective Aaron Jones, and even less WR experience that hindered him last season? If Rodgers was in GB he'd be happy he tore his achilles.

8 wins, one away from the playoffs while facing a 1st place schedule.   Also, one could argue he had less talent at WR as many here bitched non stop about Cobb and Lazard being useless.   Then we all laughed when they signed with NYJ.   

Do you think we will end this season 1 win away from the playoffs while facing one of the weakest schedules we have seen in the past 30 years?

This season really isn't about winning, although it would be nice. I see it more about 2024. If we are seeing the same deficiencies next season then there is a problem. I've also said a dozen times if the Packers have a shot at drafting a franchise QB then they must because those opportunities don't come along often. Even Rodgers and Favre were basically gifts compared to what it takes to land a franchise QB.

I know people were unhappy about Cobb being brought back but I never really heard any complaining about Lazard or him being here because he was a Rodgers guy.

Truthfully, missing the playoffs by one game, especially when you controlled your own destiny, is about the worst thing that can happen. The season is over and your draft pick is in the middle of the round.

@PackerRick posted:

Love has a lot of tools and intangibles you want in a QB and if he had a better supporting cast he'd look a lot different. A supporting cast makes a big difference for a QB, a WR not so much.

The league is littered with the scalps of guys that fit this description.

The ultimate measure of a QB is, does the team win when they are at the helm.

Love will get another season to prove he's the guy. He deserves that.

Agreed. But in the meantime, can we call out Love for sucking when he does?  

No

and who the fuck is we

OWNERS

I was hoping you had a hand like Lobster Girl.

He has his mom's hands.

@Pakrz posted:

. I assume others as well… except YA. He’s just a dipshit follower with no original thoughts and a very weird obsession with emojis.

You are so not getting a Thanksgiving card this year.

You guys have rendered YA’s very powerful “thumbs down” abilities , virtually useless.

Bullies.

@Chongo posted:

Actress is from Racine.

We know “man hands” in Wisconsin.

Gz’s up hoes down while you motherf@ckers bounce to this

oh, you meant thumbs down. Carry on!

@Blair Kiel posted:

You are so not getting a Thanksgiving card this year.

That's cruel. You know how much he loves to see your dog dressed up as a Pilgrim.

Shirley you mean indigenous land thieving murderers.

Yes.

Even the deer are white in your hood.

PLEASE STOP ASKING:
For those who keep asking me if Christian is playing… Folks, it truly is day to day, and his exact words to me- “Dad, I’m ‘doing’ everything I can to go.”

So, to all the critics and “social media doctors,” no, historically he actually hasn’t been injury… pic.twitter.com/CodoFhtQYZ

— Tazim Wajid Wajed (@NFLHitman33) January 12, 2024

Agree, he is a well conditioned athlete, he may be a ‘dog’ and he is not necessarily injury prone BUT he is not on the field enough.

That’s just a fact.

Is his hamstring torn?? None of it makes any sense unless that's the case.

It's a head scratcher for sure.

Two years of this.

Watson better fix his issues next year or he’s gonna be someone else’s problem

O K Packer G M.

@Boris posted:

Is his hamstring torn?? None of it makes any sense unless that's the case.

You are correct it makes no sense at all if its not torn.  Whatever the case may be I sure hope they can figure out his issues this offseason.

I don't think the team parts ways with him anytime soon because of the talent he might bring to the field.  With a talent like that you do everything you can to figure it out.

A hamstring "tear" would require surgery, in Watson's case it is a reoccurring "strain". On average there are 176 hamstring injuries  year in the NFL, with the vast majority being strains. Once strained, the hamstring is more prone to re injury. I found this in the International Journal of Sports Therapy:

Researchers have determined that the most consistent non‐modifiable factors for hamstring strains are age and the history of a prior hamstring injury.^8,9,25,28 Modifiable factors include hamstring weakness, fatigue, decreased flexibility and quadriceps and hamstring muscular imbalance.²⁵ Additional factors for the predisposition toward HSI include limited quadriceps flexibility and deficient strength and coordination of pelvic and trunk muscles.^29,30

@ammo posted:

O K Packer G M.

Sorry YaYa, I just couldn't take all the   anymore. 

@FLPACKER posted:

A hamstring "tear" would require surgery, in Watson's case it is a reoccurring "strain". On average there are 176 hamstring injuries  year in the NFL, with the vast majority being strains. Once strained, the hamstring is more prone to re injury. I found this in the International Journal of Sports Therapy:

Researchers have determined that the most consistent non‐modifiable factors for hamstring strains are age and the history of a prior hamstring injury.^8,9,25,28 Modifiable factors include hamstring weakness, fatigue, decreased flexibility and quadriceps and hamstring muscular imbalance.²⁵ Additional factors for the predisposition toward HSI include limited quadriceps flexibility and deficient strength and coordination of pelvic and trunk muscles.^29,30

Sounds like a recipe for yoga and pilates!

@Fandame posted:

Sounds like a recipe for yoga and pilates!

Or amputation

@Pikes Peak posted:

Or amputation

THAT IS NOT A SOLUTION!!!

Maybe 40   from the new Packer GM would cure him.

The Watson Effect. After last year's matchup where Watson went nuts against the Cowboys certainly was on their mind. Why were so many Packers recievers so wide open, here is why. The Cowboys were not going to let Watson has his way again. On this completion to Doubs 3 defenders. pic.twitter.com/SjTB3KQJmQ

— Eric Baranczyk (@EricBaranczyk1) January 16, 2024

Don't be fooled by a single completion.

Didn’t you hear? He’s gonna have 160 receiving yards according to YAYA

Just wait Yooper.

From Watson's Dad via twitter

https://twitter.com/NFLHitman3...asZVbzAglOQ&s=19

"Well, the collaborating specialists found the source of the hamstring problem. That was the main issue with getting the proper plan in place for a solution.
Now, as I've shared before, it's not my place to share details. I'll let the Packers and/or Christian do that, should they decide to elaborate. However, with the source of the issue revealed, as long as the correct program is implemented and executed to rectify it, then this shouldn't be a recurring issue moving forward !"

Full speed ahead 

It took two full seasons to figure out what was causing his repeated hamstring problems?

They’d better get it fixed this season because he’s been a waste of a roster spot for two seasons now.