Somehow it just seems right that Jacoby Brissett will be the next Browns QB.
Lipstick on a pig?
Carson Wentz for a two third rounders and moving up 5 spots in the second round. The Redskins will pay him 28 million this year.
Baker Mayfield for a conditional 5th and the Browns will pay half his salary. The Panthers will pay roughly 9 million this year.
Mayfield is 18 months removed from leading the Browns to their first playoff win this century. Wentz has thrown 4 career playoff passes.
I'm not saying that Mayfield is a superstar QB, but he's easily in the middle tier of the league.
At least the Redskins are no longer the dumbest looking team in terms of offseason QB moves.
The Browns may have made the worst set of off-season moves in NFL history the past few months if you are just looking at how it helps them in 2022 (maybe Watson goes on to a Hall of Fame career and the trade looks better long-term, but I'm not holding my breath on a guy who hasn't exactly shown the best judgment).
They have a team ready to win now - great talent on defense, good RB, good WRs and TE, etc. They have a QB on the roster that was good enough to lead them to the playoffs after the 2020 season that got dinged up last year. They were set to be a playoff team in 2022. This is the sum of what they did this off-season for the QB position.
Gave up 3 first round picks (2022, 2023, 2024), 1 second rounder (2023), and 2 4th rounders (2022, 2024). Guaranteed D. Watson 230 million (with only 1 million of base this year so that if he is suspended for a whole year he only loses that), and pays about 10 million for a league-average QB (Mayfield) to play for another team.
Get back 4th and 5th round picks.
All to have a career backup (Brissett) likely start at QB all year. And they don't even have their 2023 first-round pick?
There's a good reason they're called the Factory of Sadness
Solid move for the Panthers if Baker can manage to act like an adult. 
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@Blair Kiel posted:Somehow it just seems right that Jacoby Brissett will be the next Browns QB.
It is the color of shit.
@bvan posted:Lipstick on a pig?
I don't think lipstick will help that pig.
@PackerHawk posted:Solid move for the Panthers if Baker can manage to act like an adult.
I'm kind of perplexed as to how Mayfield is considered this diva. Guy took a team loaded with talent to within one td drive from a conference title game, gets hurt and plays all season in the year that follows, gets shit on by his own organization who brings in a guy on a guaranteed contract with 20 some accusations still unsettled, but Mayfield needs to be the adult?
JMHO, artis, but I think a lot of that stemmed from his rookie year (with plenty of college antics contributing to his reputation) and into his 2nd year. He could act like a dick on the field, and couldn't keep his mouth shut off of it.
This was a quote by Jason Lloyd from a piece he wrote for The Athletic (I didn't link it because it's a pay site):
"Mayfield was widely viewed as childish and immature. His behavior annoyed teammates and divided the locker room. He was often difficult to coach."
With that said, I don't think the Browns did him any favors with the crap show that was their coaching hires, among other things. It's possible he could've done much better in a solid, stable environment, but most teams with that quality weren't looking for a starting QB, much less one that was going to cost a (likely) high draft pick.
So the Browns QB is named Brisket. While the Bears think they should have a world-class stadium (apparently in the belief that it worked so well for the Vikings). May they never change.
The problem with the Browns starts and stops with Jimmy Haslam.
If he were CEO of any typical business, he would have been fired several times by now. As owner of an NFL team, he is above reproach.
Think about this for a second. They drafted Mayfield 1 overall and now he’s gone. They hired and fired Hue Jackson and Freddy Kitchens. They paid a kings ransom for a guy (Watson) that may end up getting suspended for a year.
That’s all happened basically in the last 4-5 years.
Teams have gone decades without having that type of dysfunction and failure and incompetence.
@Tschmack posted:The problem with the Browns starts and stops with Jimmy Haslam.
If he were CEO of any typical business, he would have been fired several times by now. As owner of an NFL team, he is above reproach.
Think about this for a second. They drafted Mayfield 1 overall and now he’s gone. They hired and fired Hue Jackson and Freddy Kitchens. They paid a kings ransom for a guy (Watson) that may end up getting suspended for a year.
That’s all happened basically in the last 4-5 years.
Teams have gone decades without having that type of dysfunction and failure and incompetence.
Jimmy Haslem, Daniel Snyder, and James Dolan all own professional sports franchises that have some of the most loyal fanbases in sports with decades of tradition and manage to constantly screw things up. They'd all have been gone years ago had the had a board that could move them out. Stephen Ross would have been fired very quickly for the stuff he was doing with the Dolphins had the NFL been able to force him out.
I listed Dolan as he's the NBA equivalent of these guys. But for the most part, the problem is much worse in the NFL than the other sports. The NFL seems to attract more incompetency (or just a higher level of narcissistic personality) than the other professional sports.
Mayfield will turn it around Andre Agassi style, once his hair falls out
I love reading sentences that I’m pretty sure have never been written before in human history.
@artis posted:I'm kind of perplexed as to how Mayfield is considered this diva. Guy took a team loaded with talent to within one td drive from a conference title game, gets hurt and plays all season in the year that follows, gets shit on by his own organization who brings in a guy on a guaranteed contract with 20 some accusations still unsettled, but Mayfield needs to be the adult?
I think he's just one of those guys that rubs people the wrong way - insert Deshaun Watson joke.
If you are THAT GUY and you are not Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers it's not going to end well.
Well, I'll be rooting for Mayfield even if only to spite Haslam and the organization. As far as I have seen, beyond the Hue Jackson drama, he's kept his mouth shut and worked. He's a mid range qb, he gets happy feet way too often and makes mind numbing decisions at times, and then he can wipe that all out with one incredible throw. Very Bert-like in that way. He also gutted out a shoulder for months to be on the field. That doesn't count for much anymore, but it should. As bad as we had it in the 70s and 80s, I can't imagine being a Browns fan after this past year. They took dismantling a good thing to a new level even for the factory of sadness.
James Dolan just doesn’t give a shit about the fans or about winning. He’s aloof and a complete putz, but some of these NFL owners are complete scumbag, all means to an end type people. Forget about being unethical, for some of these a holes like Synderbrenner they should be in jail for the shit they pulled.
As for Mayfield, I think he’s a spoiled, thin skinned little brat, but I also think he was handed a shit sandwich being drafted in Cleveland given all the issues there.
Some BROWN facts:
1) For all the talk about how Haslam would not last in a real business, he is still CEO of Flying Js. It is just that football isn’t a business like a gas station business. One brings in money, the other costs money. Both can give you gas.
2) These Browns are not the previous Browns. When the relatively successful version of the Browns (call them Browns 1.0 - now the Ravens) left Cleveland, they had to leave the name and became the Ravens – who actually won a two SBs while in Baltimore. Browns 2.0 are an expansion team as of 1999 – that has been a disaster since day one. We tend to lose sight of that.
3) Browns 2.0 get to take credit for Browns 1.0 (now the Ravens) success. So if you go back far enough it looks like they won 8 championships - but none since 1964. But the team that actually won those championships (now the Ravens) is now in Baltimore where they won 2 more championships – 10 total.
4) The expansion team that inherited the “Browns” name has been in existence since 1999 they have lost 2 playoff games and in 23 years of existence have had 3 winning seasons. Why should we expect them to do anything right now?
5) Where is the “factory of sadness” thread when you need it? Only now I suggest it should be renamed “factory of perpetual sadness”.
Mayfield needs to stop the annoying commercials and learn to play football.
Raises hand.
I think the ads are creative.
why would the adds he makes in the offseason have anything to do with him as a player.
Shouldn't we be more concerned about his haircut or who he is dating
I mean, the Alice Cooper one at the Rock n’ Roll HOF was hilarious.
Your definition of hilarious is questionable
O.K. Not hilarious.
Amusing. Creative. Irreverent. You know, unlike every Super Bowl ad.
I just laughed way too hard at this. pic.twitter.com/tH6wJw3r7l
— shawn moore (@whodeybaby) July 8, 2022
His security deposit will be gross.
Mahomes loves MVS
@YATittle posted:Mahomes loves MVS
Until he drops some easy catches.
@YATittle posted:Mahomes loves MVS
Are they engaged?
I’m still,waiting for the preseason article about how the rook or FA sucks donkey balls. Why don’t you ever see that?
Meh.
I'd just as soon see MVS and Adams both do well, and they will need to.
The AFC West should be a slug fest between KC, LV, and LAC.
So if MVS has an eighty catch 1200 yard 10 TD season will people say it was Rodgers fault he didn't do better in Green Bay?
@D J posted:Until he drops some easy catches.
Right? When he’s wide open for a potential touchdown and blows a hammy in the process.
@BrainDed posted:I’m still,waiting for the preseason article about how the rook or FA sucks donkey balls. Why don’t you ever see that?
I believe I did see an article on Russell Wilson.
@Timmy! posted:Meh.
I'd just as soon see MVS and Adams both do well, and they will need to.
The AFC West should be a slug fest between KC, LV, and LAC.
And Denver
Getting paid as the second (by average) highest paid QB in the NFL with his new contract. I still can't get his playoff performance against the Rams out of my head. That was brutal.
Cardinals are giving Kyler Murray a five-year, $230.5 million deal that includes $160 million guaranteed, per source. It gives Murray the second highest paid QB average at $46.1 million per year. https://t.co/tTnUJXGSm3
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) July 21, 2022