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This is a bit of a long post. Sorry in advance. 

Watching the replay of the Rodgers to Cobb game winner I came across something that I still can't fully wrap my head around. It wasn't until the 20th time I watched it it hit me what Rodgers did but I still can't believe it happened or how he did it. 

First the play in it's entirety:

We've already established that Rodgers slid a little up and left in the pocket based on limited mobility. He bought himself a little time until Cobb realized his cross was leading to nothing productive and decided to stop and reverse his field. Great play. Good throw. Been there. Done that. 

Please watch the video above and freeze it exactly when it gets to :54 seconds and look at where Rodgers is looking. It's not at Cobb. Rodgers "looks" at the coverage depth of Allisons route and the two bears going with him on a slightly deeper cross. I used " " because it was more of a fleeting glance than a look. 

A split second later he flicks a perfect ball to Cobb into a shoebox window while Allison and his two defenders roll by 4 yards deeper leaving nothing between Cobb and the end zone but a Bear and a blocker. 

I mean. ****!!! Cobb stopping. reversing his route. Allisons route depth and coverage. Making sure he wasn't hanging Cobb out to dry or a possible pick, split second delay for Aliison and coverage to clear. Throw to a tight window. Nothing but daylight. 

This all happened in less than a second. And now go back and watch Rodgers facial expression on the play. It's like it's all happening in slow motion and he knew it was set up for 7.

He's the best QB that's ever played this game. I'll argue that point to the end of time. The great throws are like we've never seen. But Holy s**t seeing things like this. 

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If you watch the live play of that though Hungry it’s clear that Haha was on a dead sprint to that receiver and likely would have picked it or broken it up. Where Trubisky failed is not anticipating that opening and putting the ball at the receiver at the moment this still is captured. 

Thats what AR would do. He would already be walking off the field knowing he had thrown a TD. The guy is a machine, there’s a reason he’s Tom Brady’s favorite QB. Packers are getting a bargain on his salary compared to other QBs, he’s light years ahead of any other QB in the league in terms of understanding the QB position. There’s so much nuance that we don’t even realize is happening. The Allison TD earlier, he controlled the Safety with his eyes and put him exactly where he wanted him.

Grave Digger posted:

If you watch the live play of that though Hungry it’s clear that Haha was on a dead sprint to that receiver and likely would have picked it or broken it up. Where Trubisky failed is not anticipating that opening and putting the ball at the receiver at the moment this still is captured. 

Thats what AR would do. 

That was my point, Rodgers gets that TD, and Mitch gets a completion behind the LOS.

To add an observation from the original post:

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There’s so many “wow” things that Rodgers does that it’s hard to always appreciate the subtle things he does with the ball. Cobb’s route is a curl into the middle of the field. Rodgers places it on the “wrong” shoulder away from the defense and basically jumps starts Cobbs YAC

Good observation about moving his eyes and looking guys off like he does.

Now watch this video of Boyle. He has very little head movement -- he keeps his eyes down the middle of the field until he turns to throw to the right or left. Then he drops that bomb right into Kumerow's bucket perfectly in stride and he does it with a quick set and release. This is why I think they kept him. He just seems to have "it." While we have Rodgers, Boyle won't see the field, but as soon as next year I can see Guttergust trading Kizer and Boyle becoming No. 2. 

(And yes, I know the video is preseason, but I am looking for the hallmarks of a successful QB and not at just the outcome of the play.)

Fandame posted:

Good observation about moving his eyes and looking guys off like he does.

Now watch this video of Boyle. He has very little head movement -- he keeps his eyes down the middle of the field until he turns to throw to the right or left. Then he drops that bomb right into Kumerow's bucket perfectly in stride and he does it with a quick set and release. This is why I think they kept him. He just seems to have "it." While we have Rodgers, Boyle won't see the field, but as soon as next year I can see Guttergust trading Kizer and Boyle becoming No. 2. 

(And yes, I know the video is preseason, but I am looking for the hallmarks of a successful QB and not at just the outcome of the play.)

Considering he's under the tutelege of the master, he should be able to work on that this year...

Everyone's definition of how you compare QBs seems to be different. Is it rings? Stats? Intangibles? All of those QBs did some things better than Rodgers, Rodgers does some things better than all of those QBs. The most interesting thing would be to poll all of those QBs and see where THEY rank their peers. I have a hunch Rodgers would be in everyone's top 5. 

I honestly can't think of one thing Aikman or Bradshaw did better than AR... other than having stellar supporting casts.  Man, that line Aikman played behind, Emmitt, Irvin, Harper, Moose, Novacek...  Bradshaw with Swann, Stallworth, Rocky, Franco...  The defenses.  Shiiiiiiit.  Just don't GIVE the game away and you're golden. 

Pakrz posted:

I honestly can't think of one thing Aikman or Bradshaw did better than AR... other than having stellar supporting casts.  Man, that line Aikman played behind, Emmitt, Irvin, Harper, Moose, Novacek...  Bradshaw with Swann, Stallworth, Rocky, Franco...  The defenses.  Shiiiiiiit.  Just don't GIVE the game away and you're golden. 

I have always been someone who asks why do we have this constant obsession with who is the greatest and the top 10 lists ect. I prefer to just enjoy greatness regardless of era.

But, I do agree with you that Aikman and Bradshaw did have one advantage they had great defenses something that Aaron has not had.  Could you imagine how good AR would be with the Cowboys players of the 90s and the Steelers D to back him up?

Today's QB's and WR's also have a lot more protections than they had back in Bradshaw and even Aikman's time.  So there is the pitfall of comparing eras.  But AR passes the eyeball test in probably any era.  Though you have to wonder if he would be as fearless scrambling with his eyes downfield if this were the 70's.  It's all clickbait but I'd like to know how he puts Brees, Marino and Aikman above AR.

Fandame: he qualified his list as players he's seen play.

ChilliJon posted:

This all happened in less than a second. And now go back and watch Rodgers facial expression on the play. It's like it's all happening in slow motion and he knew it was set up for 7.

He's the best QB that's ever played this game. I'll argue that point to the end of time. The great throws are like we've never seen. But Holy s**t seeing things like this. 

watching a one legged QB shred 2 of the best defenses in the league is like watching  a chess master play a fifth-grader who was still learning how the pieces move          i just hope we go to 2 or 3 more super bowls before he retires.

Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Bert Jones, Dan Fouts. 

Toughest part is getting to the SB. Then you have to have a favorable matchup. Then you have to exploit those matchups.

Then you have to have players execute things they normally wouldn't be expected to execute when needed. Saints onside kick against the Colts, Robert Newhouse pass to Golden Richards in 77, Philly special to Foles last year, Malcom Butler pick against Wilson, Howard Green, Mike Jones tacking Dyson at the 1. 

It's hard to win a Super Bowl.  

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