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Originally Posted by Shoeless Joe:

Them violating the salary cap rules didn't turn Darius Holland into a worthless POS, their OL did.

 

They kicked our ass get over it. 

I got closure this past season. Denver/Elway got their asses kicked in the SB, Mike Shannahan got squeezed out of Washington by the QB, and Shannon Sharpe got fired from CBS. I think karma has been satisfied. 

Originally Posted by Shoeless Joe:

Them violating the salary cap rules didn't turn Darius Holland into a worthless POS, their OL did.

 

They kicked our ass get over it. 

Yes, Darius played like a wimp and was manhandled and I agree that we did NOT match Denver's intensity/agressiveness on the field.   However, by violating the cap, Denver was allowed to save money and have quality back-ups or keep their key "purple" starters instead of having them leave to other teams before the season.   Then, ol' Holmy had a tough decision:  keep an extra DL or DB active for the game.  He chose a DB because he thought we would have a lead and Elway would have to throw more.  Therefore, we didn't have anyone to back-up "Gabe the Lame".  So, Holland had to play end and he got run over every play in the 2nd Half.

 

Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
Originally Posted by Shoeless Joe:

Them violating the salary cap rules didn't turn Darius Holland into a worthless POS, their OL did.

 

They kicked our ass get over it. 

I got closure this past season. Denver/Elway got their asses kicked in the SB, Mike Shannahan got squeezed out of Washington by the QB, and Shannon Sharpe got fired from CBS. I think karma has been satisfied. 

Karma's 40 time is slower than mine, apparently.

I know I should let it go.  I forget about it, then, a comment is made and I'm back to January 25, 1998 and I get ticked off.  Sorry, it's hard to forget a contest when you know the other guy cheated. 

 

Same thing with the 1994 Whiners.  They cheated the cap, too.   I'm not saying the Chargers would've won the Super Bowl, but maybe the 1994 season goes a bit differently.  IIRC, we needed the Whiners to beat the ViQueens on the last game of the season that year on Monday night in order to win the division (we had tie-breaker over the ViQueens)...but noooooo.....Young only played a few series so he could set the QB rating record and the Whiners laid down a fart (that's another reason I hate the Whiners).  But who knows how them cheating the cap affected the NFC that year?

 

thanks for letting me vent...

Last edited by SanDiegoPackFan

Hard to believe SF would not pick up his option, let him become a FA and loose a dumb as **** but talented 1st round pick for nothing in return. 

 

Maybe the NFL already told SF last years rehab stint didn't take and they're tired of his act and plan on sitting him down for a year. 

 

As much as I hate SF it sucks watching a team that invests a high pick on a guy that cant function along with society and really has no choice but to kick his ass to the curb and get nothing in return for doing the right thing while knowing 20 teams are going to offer that same guy huge money thinking a change of scenery will fix everything but really never does. 

 

Id be ok with the NFL stepping in and throwing guys like Aldon out of the league entirely and offering teams a compensatory pick in the round that player was taken in. Why should SF be forced to keep an embarrassment because the worse option is letting him go for nothing when the big picture says he's really just embarrassing the NFL. 

Got to do something. The league has to bear some of the pain for teams forced to keep franchise image killers when that same league is filled with teams having zero regard for the big league picture willing to pay those failures top dollars.

Trying to recoup $8 million in bonus dollars is a spotty brown stain in the shorts to what Aldon could cost SF by keeping him.

Aldon Smith is a SF problem. He's a much larger NFL problem.
Last edited by ChilliJon

I agree with Timmy!

 

It is partially the owner/GM fault for drafting the guy.....IF....IF they knew going into the draft that the player could be a "character-risk"; then they take the risk and either reap the reward or pay the consequences. I understand recouping the BONUS money, but I don't agree with giving the team salary cap mulligan.

 

There's a reason some of these players go later in the rounds than expected because many team do not want to take the chance.  They might draft them well down in the rounds just in case, but not a high pick.

 

 

Last edited by SanDiegoPackFan
Originally Posted by Tequila_Monster:

If SF cuts him, should the Pack bring him in for a look?

I think if TT and MM interview him and he's willing to try a fresh start away from the bright lights after his NFL suspension, it could be a possibility because he can play the game. As long as there's no draft picks exchanged and he signs a low-ball contract at first.

 

But I just don't see him passing the TT/MM test.

 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

Id be ok with the NFL stepping in and throwing guys like Aldon out of the league entirely and offering teams a compensatory pick in the round that player was taken in. Why should SF be forced to keep an embarrassment because the worse option is letting him go for nothing when the big picture says he's really just embarrassing the NFL. 

I would not.  If you draft a turd, you get to deal with the consequences.  If that means stashing him on your roster simply to keep him away from someone else, then that's the price you pay for drafting said turd in the first place.  Not to mention, I'm not sure how you could possibly put objective criteria together to apply the Turd Compensatory Clause fairly.  

 

The draft is all about projection as we know.  That includes projecting how a guy is going to play on the field, how he's going to fit into an organization's culture and of course how he's going to handle himself away from work.  If you're willing to roll the dice on a piece of crap, then you have to be ready to pay the price if/when the poop hits the fan.  

Interesting conversation and makes me appreciate Harlan even more. He put football guys in place who try to put an emphasis on "good guys" and locker room chemistry.

 

 

Conversely, makes me wonder what deal Murphy made (and with whom) that he keeps pushing the #4 jersey retirement when: a) the fans seem mostly apathetic about it and; b) the principal seems disinterested or is still the jilted 15 yo bitch.

Agree with JJSD.

 

I would NOT be okay with allowing teams a do over for drafting a head case. If we allow that, then why not allow for a do over for a pick who ends up chronically injured (see Jamal Reynolds)? Or a re-do for a guy a team took who doesn't practice and is a lazy turd? I mean really, where does it end then?

 

Aldon Smith is a very talented player when his heads on straight. Well worth his draft position. Now he's got substance issues and mental health problems. Perhaps those were apparent all along. And if they were, then that's a risk SF took and that risk is entirely on them.

I'll admit the compensatory draft pick for suspending turds may not be the best option. But the NFL has to take a stronger stance on taking out the trash. Philly wanted no part of DeSean Jackson any longer. 5-6 teams had visits set up in 24 hours. Yes he's going to be someone else's headache but he's still an NFL image headache. There's plenty of crappy GMs willing to give guys like DeSean a contract. Aldon would be no different if SF cut him loose (I don't think they will)

 

Maybe a better direction is to take away a draft pick in the round a player was chosen if the NFL tosses that player out of the league?

 

Some really good points raised though after my initial post though. 

It really makes you wonder if Smith has some type of mental imbalance issue going on because his collective behavior has been a little odd.  I'm not suggesting he's Demetrius Underwood but his actions seem to be out of character even for your typical spoiled turd athlete. 

 

Don't worry though the NFL will figure it all out.  After they get done addressing the height of goalposts and post TD celebrations and those important issues 

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