place said eggs next to the side of fried potatoes with cheese and onions, throw in some bacon and you have an example of first breakfast.
Day 3 of @Whole30.
No dairy, no grains, no alcohol, potato is okay depending on what you use to "fry" it.
butter and Guinness
Herschel posted:For all the TT love, most of it deserved, he's been very bad at drafting front-seven talent. He's gotten the same number of long-term, productive players (2) as Mike Sherman (Matthews/Daniels vs. Kampman/Barnett) and about the same proportion of league viable starting players (front seven) in his drafts. His front-seven drafting has been pretty damned brutal, regardless of his terrific track record on offense and in the defensive backfield.
Getting back on topic. Drafting is so easy...
It's a mockery aka Getting pwned by fedya is never good.
One guys mock:
35 Green Bay (from Philly) Jessie Williams DT Alabama Green Bay's run defense needs an anchor and some real beef. Ryan Pickett is near the end, Jerel Worthy blew out his knee and BJ Raji will be in line behind Aaaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews for a new contract. Williams makes sense on a lot of levels.
55 Green Bay Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International In sticking to the Best Available Player model, Green Bay grabs the hard-hitting Cyprien to add to their stable of defensive backs.
67 Green Bay (from Philly) Montee Ball RB Wisconsin Green Bay finally gets an every-down-capable back to complement Aaron Rodgers and the offense. He'll team with DuJuan Harris to give Green Bay the running threat they've been missing.
88 Green Bay Steadman Bailey WR West Virginia Bailey doesn't wow anyone with his measurables but the guy is downright productive. Tavon Austin offered more flash but down-in, down-out Bailey was the guy who got open and got the job done. In Green Bay he won't be expected to start right away but Greg Jennings is gone and James Jones will be 30 and entering the final year of his contract.
Thompson's picks
1. Datone Jones, DE, UCLA
2. Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama
4a. David Bakhtiari, T, Colorado
4b. J.C. Tretter, T, Cornell
4c. Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA
5a. Micah Hyde, CB, Iowa
5b. Josh Boyd, DE, Mississippi State
6. Nate Palmer, LB, Illinois State
7a. Charles Johnson, WR, Grand Valley State
7b. Kevin Dorsey, WR, Maryland
7c. Sam Barrington, LB, South Florida
Jessie Williams DT Alabama - 2 IR years w/SEA, currently out of football
Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International - Steady but unspectacular 3 years w/JAX
Montee Ball RB Wisconsin - 2 years below expectations w/DEN. Signs w/NEP and is now out of football
Steadman Bailey WR West Virginia - could be argued that the highlight of his 3 yr NFL career is surviving getting shot in the head (while serving a 4 game suspension for substance abuse)
You talk a big game about Thompson's draft, but I'm pretty sure everything he has done since making those picks to screw over Micah Hyde render everything else null and void.
Bill Belichick
LoL, nice strawman. You're so determined to paint TT as some sort of divine savior you attack anyone who calls anything he does in to question. Let me guess, still trying to feel some sort of berning sensation?
Nobody here said drafting was easy.
Nobody here said TT should be fired (unless we're counting Diggr, but whatever).
I think most everyone here (again, Diggr aside, if we're counting him) thinks TT does a pretty good job.
But his track record in the front-seven is bad. Why is it such a horrible thing to point out where he hasn't done well? Is he somehow above any reasonable criticism?
Not really.
You mocked them taking a big guy who hasn't done squat. Thompson took a big guy who, while you may think he sucks and facts contradict that, has been a solid contributor for the Packers.
You mocked them taking Ball, who should not have been picked prior to the 5th round based on mileage alone, and Thompson takes Lacy.
But back to big guys and your dissing Thompson and his front-7 picking:
titmfatied posted:quote:"...historically speaking and Ron (Wolf) and I used to talk about this all the time, as you go through a lot of drafts, there’s different years, different kind of player, but if you can get quality big men. I think you always kind of lean that way, especially if you’re picking late in the first round.” TT Apr. 29, 2011
Sure, Thompson has had his share of trouble there, but it is a difficult task. And easy to question after the fact. Hindsight, like with your choices for 2013, is a great thing.
Hungry5 posted:Day 3 of @Whole30.
No dairy, no grains, no alcohol, potato is okay depending on what you use to "fry" it.
Good luck with that buddy. The sugar/carb withdrawals are eye opening. Prep, prep and more prep if you wants to stay happy.
I don't think it's unfair to say he's been unsuccessful overall drafting front 7, but I think it's more accurate to say he's unlucky overall drafting front 7. Look at the roster of guys:
2005: 2
Poppinga(4): Below Average
Montgomery(6): Below Average
2006: 4
Hawk(1): Average
Hodge(3): Knee
Jolly(6): Drugs
Tollefson(7): Average (for NYG)
2007: 2
Harrell(1): Injuries
Bishop(6): Achilles
2008: 1
Thompson(4): Scheme Change/Kneck Injury
2009: 4
Raji(1): Good
Matthews(1): Great
Wynn(6): Below Average
2010: 2
Neal(2): Injury/Position Change
Wilson(7): Below Average
2011: 2
Elmore(6): Below Average
Guy(7): Below Average
2012: 4
Perry(1): Injuries/Average to above average
Worthy(2): Below Average
Daniels(4): Above Average
Manning(5): Below Average
2013: 4
D. Jones(1): Average
Boyd(5): Average/Injuries
Palmer(6): Below Average
Barrington(7): Average/Injuries
2014: 2
Thornton(3): Below Average
Bradford(4): Below Average
Out of 27 front 7 picks, 1/3 have had their career hampered or cut short by injuries. 6 have been average or better, 2 I would call just bad picks (Worthy, Thornton), and the rest (about 1/3) are boom/bust mid to late rounders worth the flier. It's hard to call a guy like Nate Palmer or Lawrence Guy bad picks, even though they made minimal contributions, because the investment was pretty low. Mid round picks are a little more of an investment, but again the upside so high with these guys it's worth the risk...if Carl Bradford lives up to the potential he showed in college then you have a stud ILB.
If you look at Darth Belichick's (the standard by which GM's tend to be measured) drafting record over the same period of time it's about the same. 6 or 7 average to above average players, handful of bad picks, a lot of low risk/high reward mid-late rounders, and just some bad luck (Dominique Easley is a big one). The difference is Darth Belichick has found instant starters at ILB like Mayo, Hightower, and Collins whereas Thompson has found DL like Daniels and Raji . He's flat out sucked at finding DT's though, outside of Brandon Deaderick in 2010.
TT has made 12 first round selections as GM of the Packers. 3 have been offensive players- Aaron Rodgers, Bryan Bulaga, and Derek Sherrod.
9 defensive players, including the last 5 first round selections. By position:
4 DL
2 DB
3 LB
6 of the 9 players selected are still on the roster. Until Raji stepped out, it was 7. This is the most talented defense that Capers has ever had.
It's time they played like it...
I think TT does value ILB. He simply hasn't had the value at that position sitting there when it's his turn to select a player.
If we have the 2011 offense again, all we need is last year's defense & nobody will beat us. NOBODY!
Boris posted:If we have the 2011 offense again
Take your point, leader, and I agree, but actually I think this offense can be better than 2011. Better OL w/depth, Cook/R. Rodgers, looking stacked at WR, 2 Swiss Army knives with Cobb and Monty, and Lacy hopefully at about his rookie weight and in a contract year.
If McCarthy rediscovers the creativity that made him one of the best offensive schemers and playcallers in the league, then really injuries are the only thing I see slowing this offense down. (I'm most interested to see what these new wrinkles 12 referred to in his mid-week press availability are...)
Hungry5 posted:Herschel posted:For all the TT love, most of it deserved, he's been very bad at drafting front-seven talent. He's gotten the same number of long-term, productive players (2) as Mike Sherman (Matthews/Daniels vs. Kampman/Barnett) and about the same proportion of league viable starting players (front seven) in his drafts. His front-seven drafting has been pretty damned brutal, regardless of his terrific track record on offense and in the defensive backfield.
Getting back on topic. Drafting is so easy...
It's a mockery aka Getting pwned by fedya is never good.
It didn't take that much foresight to suggest taking a Badger running back is a bad idea.
Then again, you're used to getting pwned by Fedya, aren't you?
This offense is going to be filthy. Man I hope Kenny Clark works. If he does and Clay goes back to the edge FT..... Really good team.
This offense has a chance to be a whole lot better than 2010... the starting running back for most of that year was Brandon Jackson, then later a young fragile rookie named Starks. If Eddie is truly new and improved, and the OL plays their best ball, they'll be better. A lot better.
Brandon Jackson weaved his way with great patience behind his OL to score the game winner in Philly in 2010. Then he broke Urlachers groin soul on a dump off that led to a TD.
Brandon is another quiet Packer that will live in eternity.
Youre going with a guy on the roster. Trailblazer.
BJax is in a category of a long line of Packer RBs that we all loved but simply weren't that good. Demond Parker, Najeh Davenport, Whisper Goodman, Samkon Gado, Jesse Clark, Harlan Hucklebee, Keith Woodside...
I liked him, and for a while thought he might become a big time guy. Never happened...
I never thought B-Jax would be a "big-time guy" bUT thought he was at least serviceable.
Grave Digger posted:.if Carl Bradford lives up to the potential he showed in college then you have a stud ILB.
At first I was just going to give you **** because Bradford is a Winston Moss ILB project, which has just been gangbusters successful.
Then the question came to mind, how much of the front 7 issues have been due to drafting guys out of position? TT is geared toward finding football players, which I believe is ultimately the smart thing to do. Which begs two questions; is this extra learning hurdle collectively chipping away at any productivity the front 7 could possibly produce and to come full circle, is this coaching staff up to this constant challenge?
Whitt has been impressive but he generally knows what he's getting with his players and how to coach them. Whitt is the one guy that really seems to be able to pull potential out of his guys.
Conversely, the front 7 has been constantly shifting in no small part to try and get some productivity out of some guys but also to shifting of scheme as a whole to find productivity. Some of the best defenses truly seem to be relatively static and because of that staid approach you can draft the most athletic/football savvy guy and plug him into a system because you know exactly what this guy is going to be doing and have the coaches to pull off a tried and true formula.
Yes, it's good to be innovative or to try and adjust but I think we're dealing with too much super scheming. Concepts that are all great on paper but if you don't have an exceptional coaching staff to implement it who cares? Add in the injuries GD listed and you're just creating more and more hurdles. Too much Wizardry with square pegs.
And with all of that said I think the most important takeaway from all of this is how much Sherman ****ing sucked at drafting. How truly, miserably, inexorably atrocious that guy was as a GM. Guh, thinking about it is like a getting tooth pulled with pliers and being kicked in the nuts simultaneously.
As with any coach in any sport, evaluation involves:
1) Is the scheme proven to be sound?
2) Can the players physically execute the scheme?
3) Can the players mentally execute the scheme?
4) Are the players motivated to play & study hard because:
a) Their coach has gained their respect
b) There is some fear of being replaced.
Honestly I think scheme is always dependent on personnel. The only schemes that remain the same are the ones who have the same personnel for a consistent amount of time...the Ravens with Reed, Lewis, Suggs, Ngata or the 49ers with Willis, Bowman, J. Smith, A. Smith. Once those players get replaced though things have to change. When you switch from Mike Neal starting to Julius Peppers, there are scheme changes you would be stupid not to make...Peppers builds a HOF resume with his hand in the dirt, why not let him do it occasionally? When you're best ILBs are AJ Hawk and Brad Jones, some tweaking is probably crucial to account for their lack of skill. I have high hopes for Blake Martinez, he's a true ILB with some great all around skill.
Well, so much for Martinez being a player.
Grave Digger posted:Honestly I think scheme is always dependent on personnel. The only schemes that remain the same are the ones who have the same personnel for a consistent amount of time...the Ravens with Reed, Lewis, Suggs, Ngata or the 49ers with Willis, Bowman, J. Smith, A. Smith. Once those players get replaced though things have to change. When you switch from Mike Neal starting to Julius Peppers, there are scheme changes you would be stupid not to make...Peppers builds a HOF resume with his hand in the dirt, why not let him do it occasionally? When you're best ILBs are AJ Hawk and Brad Jones, some tweaking is probably crucial to account for their lack of skill. I have high hopes for Blake Martinez, he's a true ILB with some great all around skill.
I should have added
5) Does the scheme & adjustments within it fit the players skills?
6) Is the team ready for anything that the opponent may do (anticipation & preparation)
I'm torn on Capers. Lot of moving parts with personnel, scheme, sub packages, injuries, etc.... He has seemed masterful in creating turnovers, pressure, and sacks with seemingly limited resources....BUT there are the gut-wrenching late game failures that can't be ignored.
NFL offensive coordinators are incredibly innovative, don't care how good your defensive scheme is, they will eventually exploit the AJ Hawks, Brad Jones, Jerron McMillans, MD Jennings, Nate Palmers, etc....it took a very long time to fix the safety position, and it remains to be seen whether ILB is fixed....and it's not like they've had a great defensive line to hide the weakness' in the middle and back end of the defense. Sure Capers deserves a fair share of the blame, but here's plenty to go around and Ted Thompson should get a big chunk of it.
I do believe that Capers has always valued creating turnovers more highly than other defensive stats such as yards allowed. As a result I don't know if he would consider conventional ways in which defenses are ranked as being accurate. The only time that I have been really down on Capers was the Kaepernick game. We looked totally unprepared for the option & defensive players were quoted as saying that they barely prepared for it. In addition, he had guys (Eric Walden for one) "spying" him on pass plays who had no chance to tackle him in the open field. In that game his defense looked both unprepared and he had assignments for players who could not physically carry them out.
What you said about his Niner game plan. One of the low points of his career
Good lord. **** Colin Kaepernick. Ok. **** Colin Keapernick. Dom can ram his Super Bowl covered ring finger up Colin Kaepernicks rectum. Ok. Got it? Enough about Colin ****ing Kaepernick.
What the **** has Colin actually accomplished? Nothing. NOTHING!!!!! EVER!!!!! He's not even starting.
**** I'm done hearing butthurt fans lamenting about Colin Kaepernick. It's ****ing embarrassing.
ChilliJon posted:Good lord. **** Colin Kaepernick. Ok. **** Colin Keapernick. Dom can ram his Super Bowl covered ring finger up Colin Kaepernicks rectum. Ok. Got it? Enough about Colin ****ing Kaepernick.
What the **** has Colin actually accomplished? Nothing. NOTHING!!!!! EVER!!!!! He's not even starting.
**** I'm done hearing butthurt fans lamenting about Colin Kaepernick. It's ****ing embarrassing.
LANGUAGE!!!!
ChilliJon posted:This offense is going to be filthy. Man I hope Kenny Clark works. If he does and Clay goes back to the edge FT..... Really good team.
Rely on rookie NT to your own demise. I hope he can hold up until Pennel returns. Clark will get his turn after a year or so.
ChilliJon posted:Good lord. **** Colin Kaepernick. Ok. **** Colin Keapernick. Dom can ram his Super Bowl covered ring finger up Colin Kaepernicks rectum. Ok. Got it? Enough about Colin ****ing Kaepernick.
What the **** has Colin actually accomplished? Nothing. NOTHING!!!!! EVER!!!!! He's not even starting.
**** I'm done hearing butthurt fans lamenting about Colin Kaepernick. It's ****ing embarrassing.
Lighten up Francis
ChilliJon posted:Good lord. **** Colin Kaepernick. Ok. **** Colin Keapernick. Dom can ram his Super Bowl covered ring finger up Colin Kaepernicks rectum. Ok. Got it? Enough about Colin ****ing Kaepernick.
What the **** has Colin actually accomplished? Nothing. NOTHING!!!!! EVER!!!!! He's not even starting.
**** I'm done hearing butthurt fans lamenting about Colin Kaepernick. It's ****ing embarrassing.
Just because you didn't mentor him....
@ ChilliJon
He should send Dom Christmas cards every single year. His current contract is all because of that ONE game.
Dom's analysis of what went wrong with coverage on final play vs. Cards:
”I think (Randall) knew the call,” Capers said back in January. “But you have to evaluate how shallow the crossing route goes on that. If it goes underneath defenders then you have the ability to come off of that. If it goes over the top of him then you have to carry it. He just needed to carry (the coverage) further across the field.”