The way I heard about the situation with Bishop is actually pretty close to the story of Ferris passing out at 21 flavors. The actual source is someone very high up in the organization. I don't personally know this person, but he gives tidbits out to someone I know who then tells me. It's usually nothing major and so far it's never been wrong. This is the only one that I've posted. For what it's worth, Bishop has not actually been cut, so in essence, I was wrong.
My previous avatar was Nacho Libre, I figured this avatar was easier to look at.
Thanks for posting Doc.
I know he hasn't been cut yet (no reason to) but it's obvious something is up.
Maybe a trade is in the works. I think Bishop would be perfect on the Ravens
I know he hasn't been cut yet (no reason to) but it's obvious something is up.
Maybe a trade is in the works. I think Bishop would be perfect on the Ravens
I would hate losing Bishop.
He always seemed to stand up the player he was tackling. Don't know if I ever saw him go backwards.
Damn.
He always seemed to stand up the player he was tackling. Don't know if I ever saw him go backwards.
Damn.
I don't get it.. Why pay Jones to cut Bishop?
Bishop is a legit play maker at ILB.. The other guys, not so much.
Bishop is a legit play maker at ILB.. The other guys, not so much.
Good info Doc. Keep it coming...
If it turns out that Bishop is cut, it probably has more to do with the young pups moving up the chain than it does Jones or Hawk.
If it turns out that Bishop is cut, it probably has more to do with the young pups moving up the chain than it does Jones or Hawk.
Is Terrell Manning feeling better this summer?
Now that he got the
out of his stomach he should be!
out of his stomach he should be!
Can someone explain to my why the Packers are moving forward with Brad Jones and AJ Hawk as their starting ILBs?
before last season, jones missed a lot of games due to injury. and now he's been paid.
quote:Originally posted by Sep:
Can someone explain to my why the Packers are moving forward with Brad Jones and AJ Hawk as their starting ILBs?
Because the Packers coaches know more than you.
quote:Originally posted by RatPack:
Is Terrell Manning feeling better this summer?
http://www.foxsportswisconsin....D=911449&feedID=5065
Manning has fully recovered from his illness and is back up to 235 pounds, which is exactly the weight that the Packers want him to be at. It's likely that Green Bay will be parting ways with starting inside linebacker Desmond Bishop before training camp, which would help Manning move at least one more spot up the depth chart.
The article reminds us Uncle Ted traded up to get Terrell. Maybe they know we have something already?
quote:Originally posted by Sep:
Can someone explain to my why the Packers are moving forward with Brad Jones and AJ Hawk as their starting ILBs?
Who says they are the starting ILB? Lotta of camp to go before that is decided IMO.
Also, what GBFFL said.
quote:Can someone explain to my why the Packers are moving forward with Brad Jones and AJ Hawk as their starting ILBs?
Maybe you could read some of the previous pages of this thread that have already addressed the question.
Jason Wilde was on the Homer Show (6-12-13 @5m45s) yesterday talking about an interview he conduncted with Aaron Rodgers for an upcoming article. He noted that he bumped into MM on the way to the interview. MM told him he was still hoping Bishop would re-structure his deal. Have they released Bishop yet?
As of right now, he's still listed on the roster at Packers.com...
It may not be a bad idea for Bishop to restructure and fight for a starting spot or accept a backup role until he and everyone else knows whether or not he returns to full form. Knowing the Packers don't mess around with injuries/recoveries could clue in other teams that he isn't a certain 100% yet and therefore not worth signing to any more money than a restructure might net him.
Would hate to see Bishop leave. If he's healthy he's an impact player.
IMO Brad Jones is better than people think. The guy has been moved around and really has only played ILB recently. He was an outside rusher at Colorado and a OLB when drafted. He's still got upside IMO.
IMO Brad Jones is better than people think. The guy has been moved around and really has only played ILB recently. He was an outside rusher at Colorado and a OLB when drafted. He's still got upside IMO.
quote:Originally posted by DH13:quote:Can someone explain to my why the Packers are moving forward with Brad Jones and AJ Hawk as their starting ILBs?
Maybe you could read some of the previous pages of this thread that have already addressed the question.
Nobody reads anymore.
While Bishop doesn't run well, he was our best "hitter". With the realization that we need to be more physical, I'm surprised that the Packers are not waiting until TC to see where he is physically. Our defense forced the second least number of fumbles last season. This is especially concerning considering that we were 4th in sacks (where most fumbles occur). http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense
Their timing could depend on money. If he's due money/bonus by a certain date then they may not be able to keep him through training camp.
He gets hurt and the team is stuck paying the contract. That's a risk they don't appear willing to take at the current number.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
Their timing could depend on money. If he's due money/bonus by a certain date then they may not be able to keep him through training camp.
I don't think there are any milestones at this stage. Roster bonuses and the like are typically put at the start of the league year.
That's the reason for the confusion and skepticism on this- unless they really want Manning to have all the reps to prepare for the season and they really like this kid they drafted. But it might be they're trying the help Des get work, too... If they cut him in week 3 of camp it'll be tough to get a gig somewhere else. Maybe that's part of it.
quote:Originally posted by FLPACKER:
While Bishop doesn't run well, he was our best "hitter".
Again, it doesn't matter if you hit like a truck if you run like one too. The NFL is too danged fast for slow guys to compete any more.
Speed is great but if you don't have a nose for the ball, it doesn't matter. Proven too many times. Bishop has demonstrated to have a knack to make big plays. Hopefully Ted has an opportunity to see this guy back on the field, see how his body recovers after that and then make an educated decision on whether to keep him on the roster or cut ties.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:quote:Originally posted by FLPACKER:
While Bishop doesn't run well, he was our best "hitter".
Again, it doesn't matter if you hit like a truck if you run like one too. The NFL is too danged fast for slow guys to compete any more.
....yes, although not the fastest, Bishop was only 3/100th of a second slower than Hawk in both the 20 & 10 yard dash coming out of college. Jones was significantly faster than both of them in both the 40 & 20 yard, but equal to Bishop in the 10 yard.
Dash times are barely relevent though as lateral quickness is more important for a linebacker. If you want to reference drills then the cone and shuttle are better indicators than the 40.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
Dash times are barely relevent though as lateral quickness is more important for a linebacker. If you want to reference drills then the cone and shuttle are better indicators than the 40.
..agree, I looked at those, but Bishop & Jones have none listed, only Hawk.
quote:Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
Speed is great but if you don't have a nose for the ball, it doesn't matter.
Conversely, if you don't have the quickness to get there then recognition doesn't matter. When you don't have a step to lose and you lose one, there's no margin. You're done at that level.
I can't believe some folks, unless I'm wrong, are suggesting Bishop was an overpaid liability on defense. He was probably becoming one of the best ILBs in the entire league before his injury.
There's no question Bishop was one of the best young LB's in the game before his injury. His 2010 was the best year any inside linebacker has had on the Packers in a very long time. His 2011 was pro bowl worthy. But hamstrings are nothing to mess around with. If he can't play then he can't play.
ala Nick Collins.
ala Nick Collins.
quote:Originally posted by Sep:
I can't believe some folks, unless I'm wrong, are suggesting Bishop was an overpaid liability on defense. He was probably becoming one of the best ILBs in the entire league before his injury.
He was solid. A couple of decent hits does not a great linebacker make. He was good in the short area and a liability in space. I would have liked to see Bishop and Barnett together as I think they would have complemented each other well, unlike Hawk who also lacks range. Unfortunately for borh injuries are a biznitch.
So if Hawk and Jones end up starting, will we have the worst inside linebackers in the NFL?? Jones may still be ascending as he is still learning the inside, but Hawk is what he is IMO. A solid backup but not an NFL caliber starter. I'm rooting for Manning, Lattimore, or Barrington to take his spot. The position is clearly a weakness at this point until proven otherwise IMO.
Not an NFL caliber starter that has started his whole career. What the hell is wrong with the Packers.
After 7 pages he is still on the team - right?
Still smells a lot like the work of Patti & Packer Chatters. Just sayin .....
Still smells a lot like the work of Patti & Packer Chatters. Just sayin .....
There is too much smoke for there to be nothing to this.
The rumors about him being shopped go back at least as far as this year's draft in April.
Physically, it cannot yet be clear if he has indeed fully recovered, or even if he has how much he has left in the tank if he has.
The front office is apparently looking to free up cash for other places, and Bishop and his agent have to know that if he is cut loose that another team isn't likely to match his current contract. And the dance begins.
If the front office thought he was completely done they would have cut him already. What we are seeing here is a poker game, and in such a game I would not want to seated across from Ted Thompson.
The rumors about him being shopped go back at least as far as this year's draft in April.
Physically, it cannot yet be clear if he has indeed fully recovered, or even if he has how much he has left in the tank if he has.
The front office is apparently looking to free up cash for other places, and Bishop and his agent have to know that if he is cut loose that another team isn't likely to match his current contract. And the dance begins.
If the front office thought he was completely done they would have cut him already. What we are seeing here is a poker game, and in such a game I would not want to seated across from Ted Thompson.
quote:If the front office thought he was completely done they would have cut him already. What we are seeing here is a poker game, and in such a game I would not want to seated across from Ted Thompson.
Agree. Uncle Ted is holding a couple young aces that he knows make his defense better. This is why he is willing to ask Hawk to take a pay cut. This is why he is asking Bishop to take a pay cut. Neither is in a position to raise him or even call. Bet on a young guy to become a new starter at ILB.
I'd think the number the Packers are offering Bishop is somewhere around the 1.8 million that would be charged against the cap if they cut him.
I'm hopeful that this dragging on like it has is an indicator that a restructuring is taking place. I'm still baffled by the contract Brad Jones got as well. I do trust TT, but he makes mistakes just like the rest of us. I'm hoping they can restructure Bishop and let him compete.