No structural damage to Freaks knee per JS.
Check out this article from Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:
No structural damage to Giannis Antetokounmpo's left knee, but he's doubtful for Game 5
@Blair Kiel posted:No structural damage to Freaks knee per JS.
Thanks for the red hot update Goldie Keel.
Did I miss?
Only by an hour. That's like a blink in Goldie time.
I’m almost as old as Pikes Peak…cut me some slack.
Did Lindbergh make it?
@Blair Kiel posted:I’m almost as old as Pikes Peak…cut me some slack.
Did Lindbergh make it?
He did, poor Amelia miscalculated tho.
Asshole.
I recorded election night and was gonna watch it this weekend.
@PackerHawk posted:Thanks for the red hot update Goldie Keel.
😝 😝 😝
@PackerHawk posted:Only by an hour. That's like a blink in Goldie time.
😝 😝 😝
ya, he's a different animal for sure, after seeing that - I was certain he was done...ridiculous and great news for everyone.
@Music City posted:I don’t think it’s fair to say that this team needs an overhaul. What they need is their best player to become what they need. We’ve seen Giannis do what we’re talking about time and time again. He’s still learning how to do this. His game isn’t complete, but it’s becoming that. It’s awfully short sighted to think that this 26 year old kid is a finished product.
As I said in the Nets series when everyone was calling “series!” - he’s still evolving. It’s an awful lot to ask this kid just 10 years removed from an Athens ghetto to play and compete at that level- but don’t think for a second he doesn’t have it in him. Every experience he has is new- and now he’s experiencing this- you dropped the ball and now you’re hurt. He has the support system and everyone is telling him the same thing. Keep evolving, keep improving, don’t waste these lessons.
Regarding Middleton, he’s not Kobe. He’s Ginobli. If he would just accept that he’ll be a lot better for it, and so would the Bucks.
Respectfully, MC, how much more time does he need to be the “fully developed” player we all hope he can be? He’s played 8 full seasons, logging more than 19,000 minutes on the floor in NBA games. I don’t see a whole lot more evolution to his game. I could absolutely be wrong, and I hope I am. I would like to think he can still develop at least an acceptable medium game. That would make him downright lethal.
Honestly, I would be thrilled if he just worked on his mental side of the game. Stop freaking out about the free throws. Giannis has demonstrated he can hit 70% plus for prolonged periods of time. If he could put up 70-75% a season, that would be great. That’s good enough where he’s not purposely getting fouled late.
The overhaul comment last night was born out of frustration. This team is talented enough to win it all-IF (and that’s a big if) they play to their strengths. When we play a team that doesn’t match up well, defensively in the paint, Giannis should be cracking heads and boards. Make the opposing team find a way to counter a nearly 7’ guy with the wingspan of an aircraft carrier, the strength of Hercules, and a stupid level of talent. If they can’t stop that, why the hell are we putting up 30 3 pointers a game, especially on nights we’re shooting 22% from outside?
I believe that a shooter can have a cold stretch, and a lot of times, just giving them a chance to work through it rights the ship. But against the top teams in the East the last two series, Middleton, outside of one game, has been terrible from behind the arc. He’s shooting threes like Giannis. When they aren’t falling, Khris needs to work on creating space and getting good looks from medium range.
And Bud…I just don’t see him as the answer. I know there was a substitution immediately after the Freak went down, so they couldn’t call a timeout right then to regroup. But as soon as the Bucks got possession again, time should have been called. Seeing your 2x MVP go down with what looked like a major knee injury…that’s going to shake the entire team, and every fan in the seats wearing green, to their core. Bud needed to gather the team, and refocus them. That he did nothing while Atlanta went on a 15-0 run is inexcusable.
Great coaches know exactly….EXACTLY what their teammates need. Phil Jackson has won everywhere he’s gone. While having Michael and Kobe in Chicago and LA certainly helped a lot, I can’t count how many times I saw the Bulls or Lakers floundering, and he called a timeout to work some Zen magic. It’s disingenuous to say that Phil won 8 rings (or was it 9) because of his superior talent alone. He had great players, but men with tremendous egos. And he knew when to smack them around, and when to give them a pat on the back.
Remember when the Bulls brought Rodman in? Chicago didn’t have that “motherfucker” Sir Charles referred to last night. They had a tremendous group that won three-MJ, Pippen, Horace Grant, the outside shooters in BJ Armstrong and Pax. I think they were even better for the second three peat. And Rodman was the reason for it.
My friends all said, to a man, “Rodman isn’t going to jive with the Bulls. It’s MJ’s team, and Rodman will be too big a distraction.”
Any other team, I’d have agreed. But Phil Jackson “got” the Worm. If Rodzilla needed to go to Vegas for three days to get his party on, Jackson knew to give him that space. And Rodman came back refreshed. The Last Dance gave us all the kind of insight we couldn’t have possibly had before. It created a blueprint for all other NBA Coaches to follow. Winning is as much about talent as it is managing the egos of millionaires. You need that chemistry, and you need somebody that will protect Giannis. He’s a big guy, but he gets knocked to the floor all the damned time. Bring somebody in that will knock the shit out of anybody that tosses a flagrant foul his way. We need an enforcer. Barkley is 100% right.
Middleton and Holiday are a strong 2-3, but they need to play better. If it means we need better complimentary pieces, then go get them. But get some swagger, somewhere. This team doesn’t have it, and they need it.
@Blair Kiel posted:I’m almost as old as Pikes Peak…cut me some slack.
Did Lindbergh make it?
You’re not THAT old, but the fact that I immediately got the reference is making me feel older!!!
@pkr_north posted:ya, he's a different animal for sure, after seeing that - I was certain he was done...ridiculous and great news for everyone.
I saw the replay, and thought he’d be in surgery the next morning for sure. I was dreading life as I opened the ESPN app. Imagine the relief I felt…we all felt.
They need to just rule his ass out for game 5, right now. If they don’t, Lord have mercy, they’re not going to be able to keep him off the court, and that’s an awful lot of man to try to restrain.
He really is a freak. He’s like Mickey Mantle, I think. Mick destroyed his knee in the ‘51 World Series, and the injury should have ended his career. In Jane Leavy’s excellent book about Mantle, she has a top orthopedic surgeon review the x-rays that were published in the New York Times. Based on that, and comments made by doctors who had treated him, the surgeon concluded Mantle suffered the “unhappy triad”, the same thing I did in college playing basketball. The guy guarding me stepped on my foot as I was reverse pivoting, and I tore the ACL, the medial meniscus, and partially tore the MCL. Only, they had arthroscopic procedures to fix me that they didn’t have in the 50s. Mantle played the rest of his career with those injuries. He had to wrap both his legs so tightly before every game that he cut off his circulation. His legs would be discolored after the game.
The orthopedic surgeon said that Mantle had “neuromuscular genius”, such freakish natural build that compensated for the knee injury.
I wonder if Giannis doesn’t have that same level of development? The guy’s about as ripped as any professional athlete I’ve ever seen. That he didn’t suffer a major injury last night is unbelievable to me. But thank God.
The fact he didn't have structural damage means he really deserves the "Freak" nickname! It's a wonder given how far backwards his knee bent that he didn't tear the PCL and ACL, but it also looks like there was no twisting motion and that may have saved him -- and the Bucks.
@lambeausouth posted:Respectfully, MC, how much more time does he need to be the “fully developed” player we all hope he can be? He’s played 8 full seasons, logging more than 19,000 minutes on the floor in NBA games. I don’t see a whole lot more evolution to his game. I could absolutely be wrong, and I hope I am. I would like to think he can still develop at least an acceptable medium game. That would make him downright lethal.
Because the guy is 26! If you don’t see a lot more evolution in his game, then you haven’t paid attention to an awful lot of players. Jordan became a master of the midrange in his 30s. Brook Lopez and Jack Sikma became shooters in the second half off their careers. LeBron James is a 3 point shooter now- when he, like Giannis, was a terrible 3 point shooter early in his career. Hakeem didn’t walk onto the floor and hit a midrange and have the Dream Shake. That came after 30.
Giannis has 3+ more years before he turns 30. And confidence comes with determination and experience. He’s going to add more to his game, because all the great ones peak at that age. That’s when he’ll have the most experience and enough of the athleticism left to be at his peak. 3 more years… that’s a long time and a lot of games.
The truth is he may get better or he may not.
34 has all the tools, is a hard worker and wants it but only time will tell.
I’m not that concerned about Giannis. He may be the hardest working guy in the league and you can’t keep him out of the gym.
Honestly, I’m more worried about Middleton and Holiday the next 2-3 years. Both guys need to play better if they are serious about winning a title.
No surprise, Giannis officially ruled out for tonight.
@Music City posted:Their chance to shine is tonight…
Big boy pants tonight.
I am cautiously optimistic about tonight. I think the team comes out fired up to "win one for Giannis" , and they find a way to get it done.
Kiss of death right there, bub.
Here we go… crowd really offering a boost. Still need to play with patience, though. Don’t get caught up with one on one.
I guess you people ™ are watching The Hallmark Channel with Goldie.
Well, duh!! Have you seen what's on?
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Lopez got fouled on each dunk and never got a call…
Get Teague out of there. Lazy pass. Lazy shot. Any one of us could do better.
Very concerning… they’re all getting tired and sloppy, and Atlanta is just staying steady.
Need to get a little deeper on the bench in the frontcourt. Thanasis is out there just hacking guys, and they’re not going any deeper. Capella getting whatever he wants when Lopez is on the bench…
I guess the 1st half went about as well as we could have expected. Now, can they maintain it through the 2nd half?
Gotta ramp up on the defensive side to win this one…
Frustrating… Lopez does everything right but overlays, then they get a 3 they other way.
Ok, up 13 heading into the 4th. Hang on for 12 more minutes guys.