Conspiracy Theory: Moon Landing Faked

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• 9/11 (9:00 am) - The CIA began an exercise to simulate a plane crashing into one of it's buildings.

The reason why they do this is in case something goes wrong or they get caught. Same thing was going on at the london bombings on 7/7. When Panye Stewarts plane went off course he had (i believe) four jets surrounding him within MINUTES. On 9/11 in the heaviest guarded area's in this country they are no where to be found. That should put up some red lights right there.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet, Travis...except for those emails you get from that dude in Nigeria who will pay you ten million US dollars to open a bank account for him.

That's real. Seriously, it is.

Think about it: You can quit your job tomorrow and start dating Jessica Alba, but make sure you tell her all about the fake moon landings, missle launcher pods and how George Dubya's little brother blew-up the World Trade Center.

Chicks dig that stuff. (They go for the brainy type these days.)

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Don't believe everything you read on the internet, Travis...except for those emails you get from that dude in Nigeria who will pay you ten million US dollars to open a bank account for him.

That's real. Seriously, it is.

Think about it: You can quit your job tomorrow and start dating Jessica Alba, but make sure you tell her all about the fake moon landings, missle launcher pods and how George Dubya's little brother blew-up the World Trade Center.

Chicks dig that stuff. (They go for the brainy type these days.)

Westy, not one time do you ever deal with a single thing I am saying. Attacking the messenger. Everything I posted has a source that is not on the internet. You have posted on this forum 6540 times and you out of all people shouldn't be talking about me not having a life. If you like the majority opinion better or feel more comfortable with your world view thats fine, but keep the comments about me to yourself and deal with the message. If you spent as much time dealing with the subject and what I am saying as you do scoffing me you might actually learn something.

Hey Travis, how is the bomb shelter coming along?

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Originally posted by TravisLL:

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For those of you who for some reason are inclined to believe this was an inside job, you need to think carefully about what it would take to pull a plot like that off without getting caught (which is what you're suggesting). Think of how many people in how many different positions would need to be complicit in a scheme like that, and then ask yourself if it makes even an ounce of sense.

This is exactly why someone should be skepical of the official story. You expect me to believe that a bunch of islamic men whos leader is hiding in a cave hi jacked 4 planes perfect timing, precision flying and aiming, first objective twin towers total success, 2nd objective attack possibly the heaviest guarded area in the word (pentagon) with total success. Then you have the fact they do it with box cutters. Interesting story about them box cutters also. I don't have the interview off hand but I believe some guy in the cia came up with that idea in the 70's. I'll dig for that if anyone is interested. Look at this list...

I'll bang my head against the wall for a couple of minutes. You still haven't explained how all the people involved could be coordinated for a cover up of this size.

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Originally posted by TravisLL:
9/11 (8:55 am) - President Bush goes into a holding room inside Booker Elementary to speak with National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice who tells him it was a commercial plane that crashed into the WTC.

So?

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Originally posted by TravisLL:
9/11 (8:57 am) - Flight 77's radar stops near the Ohio/Kentucky border and is the only one of the four hijacked planes that wasn't able to be tracked via radar the whole way

Not true. Several of the planes, if not all of them turned off their trasnponders. There was so much confusion that they thought Flight 93 was still in the air on it's way to D.C. after it crashed.

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Originally posted by TravisLL:
• 9/11 (9:00 am) - The CIA began an exercise to simulate a plane crashing into one of it's buildings.

Which is what they should have done.

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Originally posted by TravisLL:
• 9/11 (9:16 - 9:26 am) - U.S. Solicitor General Ted Olson -- who has admitted in public that the U.S. government lies and who helped stopped the Florida recount that helped Bush win the '00 election -- claims his third wife, conservative commentator and author Barbara Olson, called him collect from Flight 77 twice via her cellphone, is the only one that describes that the hijackers had box cutters, never mentions the hijackers nationality or how many there were, and was one of only two of the 64 passengers on board to have allegedly called from the plane.

Point?

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Originally posted by TravisLL:
• 9/11 - Box cutters weren't allowed pre-9/11 by the airlines industry.

Do you have any idea how much stuff got by airport screeners? People get guns through there.

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• 9/11 - Two of Mohamed Atta's luggage, which contained incriminating evidence, were the only luggage of the 81 passengers aboard Flight 11 that didn't make it on the plane.

This means nothing.

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• 9/11 (6:00 am) - NORAD was in day two of a week long exercise called "Vigilant Guardian" in which some of it's military participants thought the first reports of the hijackings later on in the day were "part of the exercise."

Again, what's the point you're trying to make? They thought it was part of their drill, so what?

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Originally posted by TravisLL:
9/11 - Defense contractor, The Carlyle Group, is hosting a business conference in D.C. in which featured honored guest is one of Osama Bin Laden's brother.

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9/11 - All of the five alleged Flight 77 hijackers lived in a motel right outside the gates of the NSA -- the U.S.'s most powerful spy agency in which it's 38,000 employees are sworn to a lifetime of secrecy.

They changed residences every month.

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Originally posted by TravisLL:
• 9/11 (6:47 am) - The WTC 7's fire alarm system is placed on "TEST" mode for an eight hour period for "maintenance or other testing" in which any alarms that are received from the system are not shown on the operator’s display and are considered the result of the maintenance or testing and are ignored.

Again, more pointless information.

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Originally posted by TravisLL:
Sources and more in this link

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/oddities/911.html

That is your source, "the web fairy"?
You should watch this this for a little more credible information. It only costs $30 if you can't catch it on TV, a bargin compared to the $60 you spent on the moon landing.

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That is your source, "the web fairy"?
You should watch this this for a little more credible information. It only costs $30 if you can't catch it on TV, a bargin compared to the $60 you spent on the moon landing.

the web fairy?....

• 9/11 (9:00 am) - The CIA began an exercise to simulate a plane crashing into one of it's buildings.

SOURCES
Boston Globe/AP (2002)
SFGate (08/21/02)

• 9/11 (8:57 am) - Flight 77's radar stops near the Ohio/Kentucky border and is the only one of the four hijacked planes that wasn't able to be tracked via radar the whole way.

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Washington Post (9/12/01)

Better call the washington post and tell them they are wrong. This is the one the supposely hit the pentagon.

• 9/11 - Box cutters weren't allowed pre-9/11 by the airlines industry.

good point, i agree

• 9/11 (6:47 am) - The WTC 7's fire alarm system is placed on "TEST" mode for an eight hour period for "maintenance or other testing" in which any alarms that are received from the system are not shown on the operator’s display and are considered the result of the maintenance or testing and are ignored.

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NIST: Progress Report - Chp 1; (PDF - pg 28) (June '04) thats a .gov

For those of us that say they had bombs planted in the building to take it down it lines up with our story. For those that want to "believe" building 7 (that didn't get hit by a plane) collapsed on its own, this fact is ignored.

Look you can't blame the internet fairy on this. All the sources are OUTSIDE of the internet. Get real.

• 9/11 - Various people in or near the WTC twin towers reports flashes, bombs and explosions going off before the towers collapse.



► Jeff Birnbaum, EMT

"When we got to about 50 ft from the South Tower, we heard the most eerie sound that you would ever hear. A high-pitched noise and a popping noise made everyone stop. We all looked up. At the point, it all let go. The way I see it, it had to be the rivets. The building let go, there was an explosion and the whole top leaned toward us and started coming down.
"I stood there for a second in total awe, and then said, ‘What the F_____?’ I honestly thought it was Hollywood." - CEE News (02/13/02)



► Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem

"We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building. I had just asked another firefighter to stay with me, which was a good thing because we were trapped inside the elevator and he had the tools to get out." - People (09/12/01) [Wayback Machine]



► Edward Cachia, Firefighter

"As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down." - NY Times, World Trade Center Task Force Interview



► Karin Deshore, Fire Captain

"I went outside to see what I could do, when I saw the second building of the World Trade Center, still unbeknown to me the first one had collapse.

Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building.

I went inside and I told everybody that the other building or there was an explosion occurring up there and I said I think we have another major explosion.

So here these explosions are getting bigger and louder and bigger and louder and I told everybody if this building totally explodes, still unaware that the other building had collapsed, I'm going in the water." - SF Gate (11/07/01)



► Tom Elliott, Aon Corp.

"Tom Elliott was at work in his office at the Aon Corp., an insurance brokerage firm, on the 103rd floor of the World Trade Center's other, south tower. Most Aon employees did not straggle in until 9 a.m., but he liked to arrive around 8:30 and have a quiet cup of coffee while he checked his e-mail.
He was just typing in a response when a bright flash of light startled him, and a rumble shook the structure. Flames appeared to be crawling up the outside of the building, along with dark smoke and debris, burning paper and ash.
Mr. Elliott could feel heat coming through the windows. As far as he knew, it was his building, not the other tower, that was aflame. Oddly, no alarms were going off. The building emergency system was broadcasting no warning.
Then, as they reached the 70th floor, they heard an announcement: The building was secure. No one needed to evacuate.
They had descended three more floors when United Airlines Flight 175 slammed into their own south tower like an arrow from a giant crossbow. It was 9:03 a.m.
Although its spectacularly televised impact was above Elliott, at first he and those around him thought an explosion had come from below. An incredible noise - he calls it an "exploding sound" - shook the building, and a tornado of hot air and smoke and ceiling tiles and bits of drywall came flying up the stairwell.
As they descended, a few other survivors stumbled into the corridor. A construction painter, his white T-shirt covered in blood, was helped downstairs by others. But the stairwell was still far from jammed with evacuees.
Elliott assumed his was one of the final groups descending. They saw only two firemen going up. They told them there had been an explosion near the 60th floor." - CS Monitor, A Changed World Part 1: The Attack (09/17/01)



► Stephen Gregory, Commissioner, Bureau of Communications

"Q. Do you recall at any time, particularly when you were on West Street, any companies whose vehicles may have been parked near where you were?
A. No. I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.
Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?
A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too.
I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building cowing down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever. But it's just strange that two people sort of say the same thing and neither one of us talked to each other about it. I mean, I don't know this guy from a hole in the wall. I was just standing next to him. I never met the man before in my life. He knew who was I guess by my name on my coat and he called me up, you know, how are you doing? How's everything? And, oh, by the way did you... It was just a little strange.
Q. On the television pictures it appeared as well, before the first collapse, that there was an explosion up on the upper floors.
A. I know about the explosion on the upper floors. This was like eye level. I didn't have to go like this. Because I was looking this way. I'm not going to say it was on the first floor or the second floor, but somewhere in that area I saw to me what appeared to be flashes. I don't know how far down this was already. I mean, we had heard the noise but, you know, I don't know." - NY Times (08/12/05)



► Nadine Keller

"I saw everything from my balcony in Soho. The first plane tried to veer off the tower but slammed straight into it, followed by the second plane," Nadine Keller of New York City wrote in an e-mail to BBC News Online.
"There was smoke everywhere. I heard the bomb and saw both buildings crumble like biscuits," Ms Keller said." - BBC, Eyewitnesses tell of horror (09/11/01)



► Joseph Lovero, EMT

"Joseph Lovero was a trained EMT who volunteered to ride into New York with the Battalion 3 chief while the towers were still standing.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.

A handful of Jersey City firemen, with a civilian dispatcher, managed to survive, grouping near the still-standing north tower.

All, but for Joseph Lovero, his body was found near that of his chief." - WNBC, Exclusive: 911 Tapes Tell Horror Of 9/11 (Part 2) (06/17/02)



► Edmund McNally, Fiduciary Trust - He spoke with his wife Liz after the plane struck the north tower. He then called back twice after his own building had been struck. This is her account of that call:
"That's when he said to me, "Liz, this was a terrorist attack. I can hear explosions below me.'' He said stuff about the data center. That's why I think he was on the 97th floor, because the data center was on the 97th floor.
Then he said the floor was buckled. And he said it was getting really hot and hard to breath." - NY Times, Accounts From the South Tower, 97TH FLOOR






► Teresa Veliz, facilities manager - Teresa Veliz, the facilities manager for a software development company, was on the 47th floor of the North Tower when Flight 11 hit. First, like many witnesses, she describes the building shaking twice:
"I got off [the elevator], turned the corner and opened the door to the ladies' room. I said good morning to a lady sitting at a mirror when the whole building shook. I thought it was an earthquake. Then I heard those banging noises on the other side of the wall. It sounded like someone had cut the elevator cables. It just fell and fell and fell.
I began to cry. "Oh, my God, I just got off that elevator!" I said. "That could have been me." I prayed those other people had gotten off on the 48th floor before the elevator dropped. But I didn't have much time to be upset because the building shook again, this time even more violently. The lady at the mirror grabbed onto me and held on for dear life."

Veliz went down a staircase with a coworker to the concourse level. In the mall, they got onto an up-escalator as the South Tower collapsed, causing a rush of wind which knocked them down. In the pitch black, Veliz and her coworker followed someone carrying a flashlight:
"The flashlight led us into Borders bookstore, up an escalator and out to Church Street. There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. I was afraid to go down Church Street toward Broadway, but I had to do it. I ended up on Vesey Street. There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run."

- September 11: An Oral History, pp 9-15 [Reprinted: The Memory Hole]



► Kim White (2). 32, an administrative assistant at Thebeast, a financial tech company on the 80th floor of 1 World Trade Center, was talking with an office temp when the first plane struck.

"All of a sudden the building shook, then it started to sway. We didn't know what was going on. I ran towards the reception area. It was completely collapsed, but the receptionist was able to crawl out from under it. People started to panic. We got all our people on the floor into the stairwell, and then people began to calm down. At that time we all thought it was a fire. Someone was joking, "I hope it wasn't another bomb." Everyone was trying to keep things up-tempo. We got down as far as the 74th floor, and someone there pulled us into their office. They had a TV on, and we saw that a plane had crashed into the building. Then there was another explosion, so we left again by the stairwell." - People (09/12/01)



► 'Everyone was screaming, crying, running. It's like a war zone'

"In New York, police and fire officials were carrying out the first wave of evacuations when the first of the World Trade Centre towers collapsed. Some eyewitnesses reported hearing another explosion just before the structure crumbled. Police said that it looked almost like a "planned implosion" designed to catch bystanders watching from the street.
As the tower crumbled in on itself, throwing a vast mushroom cloud of choking grey ash, smoke and debris across the densely packed streets of south Manhattan, the air was filled by a terrifying sucking sound akin to the roar of a rocket engine, caused by the sheer volume of air displaced by the collapse." - Guardian (09/12/01)


9/11 - Frank A. De Martini, Manager of WTC Construction and Project Management who said he believed that the WTC twin towers could withstand multiple crashes from a jetliner, is killed at the North WTC tower on the 88th floor.

9/11 - Larry Silverstein, the WTC leaseholder, said he decided that the smartest thing to do to the WTC 7 was to "pull it" when a NYFD commander told him that he wasn't sure they were going to be able to contain the fire in the building and said after they made the decision to "pull" the WTC 7, they "watched the building collapse." The term "pull" was used to describe the demolition of the WTC 6 days later.

THEY GUY ADMITS HE "PULLED" THE BUILDING AND I"M THE WEIRDO! EXPLAIN THIS TO ME?

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You should watch this this for a little more credible information. It only costs $30 if you can't catch it on TV, a bargin compared to the $60 you spent on the moon landing.

I watched this before. Thats called the official story. If you believe the official story let me ask you. Do you believe that lee harvey oswald shot jfk by himself and are you dumb in any other areas?

That's it. I'm convinced.

Is it just me or do you guys see any similarities between OUR Travis...

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Originally posted by Travis:

I'm not into conspiracies.

After much study I have concluded that there is a world wide conspiracy to bring about a new world order, one world currency (possibly euro), one world religion ( new age? every religion is acceptable besides christianity), a mark to buy sell and trade (RFID posssiby).


If you believe the official story let me ask you. Do you believe that lee harvey oswald shot jfk by himself and are you dumb in any other areas?

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Travis Bickle: "I got some bad ideas in my head."

Travis Bickle: "Now I see this clearly. My whole life is pointed in one direction. There never has been a choice for me."

Just adding more fuel to the fire.

One of the huge problems with all of these theories flying around (no pun intended) out there is that it relies upon an assumption that the knowledge we have in hindsight is the same knowledge that existed beforehand.

Some examples - we are supposed to believe that hijackers could just take over planes and fly them. Yes, it is true. The standard procedure in case of a hijacking prior to 9/11 was to not confront the hijackers, give them what they want, and negotiate. It was thought that hijackings were for the purpose of taking hostages.

Hijackers were able to get box cutters, etc on board - yes, it was pretty easy to do that. Guns and bombs were the big issue prior to 9/11. Again, they were dealing with a hostage mentality. What was the worst a hijacker could do with a box cutter (or pen knife, or letter opener, etc), subdue the pilot and fly the plane?

Flying a plane is really hard - no it isn't. Landing a plane, taking off, dealing with a mechanical failure are hard. Flying really isn't.

The timing was too precise and aim too perfect. No it really wasn't. Had the timing been perfect, the planes would have struck both towere, the Pentagon, and teh 4th target within second of each other. Instead, because tehy heard what happened with the other planes, the 4th plane was able to subdue its hijackers and take it down. The delay in the second tower allowed a lot more people to escape, or not even make it into the tower, than would have happened if they were simultaneous. For that matter, a better hit, ie lower on the towers, or at more of an angle, would have caused more damage. Lower hits would have prevented more people from escaping. Angle hits would have had more potential for toppeling the towers, which would have caused significantly more damage to the surrounding area.

There are a lot of others that I can go into, but I think I have made my point.

No more fuel needed. Closed.