The tape on Hundley doesn't lie. Someone offers a seventh round conditional the Packers should take it and run.
Hell, if they can get a pack of twinkies and a bottle of sprite for him they should take it and run
Did say they WILL generate trade value, just that they’re trying to.
There was 'trade talk' in the media at the beginning of last season.
If there was no interest in Hundley then, I can't imagine there being any now.
My guess is, barring extraordinary circumstances, he will be released on final cut-down, and will be lucky to get picked up by another team that's NOT named the Vikings.
Raiders gave up a seventh round conditional for Christian Hackenberg, a second round pick in 2016. That would seem to put the trade value of Hundley at less than zero.
Teams know Kizer will be the backup, so if they want BH they will just wait until he gets cut. A team like Carolina or TN that run more R/O concepts will have more interest than WCO teams, but BH has no trade value at this point to any team and probably never did when they traded for Kizer.
michiganjoe posted:QB battle between Brett Hundley, DeShone Kizer spices Packers' OTAs
No reason to doubt MM when he says he believes that Kizer has first round talent. Given that, I see the QB competition as pretty well predetermined.
Trying to determine who can throw the prettiest interceptions? No way Kizer beats Hundley...at gum chewing.
Since a topic about McCarthy, thought I would post this here.
Heard a bit of espn (Dan Lebetard) yesterday and they discussed Rodgers for a few minutes. Said Rodgers ranks with best QB's of all time and no coach in the history of the league has done less with more than McCarthy based on 1 SB win with Rodgers.
Blamed McCarthy bigtime for Seahawk meltdown and said Pack should have won it all that year.
Clearly other coaches have done less with more, but what an indictment!
Somewhere Marv Levy is smiling hearing that opinion.
He should be. Kelly wasn't on the same level Rodgers is. QB, kind of important.
And Bud Grant, Les Steckel, Jerry Burns, Dennis Green, Mike Tice and now One Eye Zimmer have done less with more.
You forgot 'kickass' Childress and Frazier.
Brown Paper Sack posted:
This is my favorite thing right now.
I think the Shula comparison is interesting. I can't remember those Miami defenses though.
Glad we can compare who sucks more with a superstar QB.
Better than comparing who sucks more without a superstar QB!
Henry posted:Brown Paper Sack posted:
This is my favorite thing right now.
I think the Shula comparison is interesting. I can't remember those Miami defenses though.
Glad we can compare who sucks more with a superstar QB.
So you’re saying you’re remembering all those great packer defenses then? Explain more please
Henry posted:He should be. Kelly wasn't on the same level Rodgers is. QB, kind of important.
No but he’s still a HOFer. That schlub Thurman Thomas wasn’t bad either. Neither were those guys Andre Reed and Bruce Smith. Has McCarthy had 4 HOFers on 1 team? Shula had a top 10 all time QB and couldn’t get his team over the hump either. Of course he already had some hardware, so maybe he was just happy coasting.
This actually is footage of Dom's defense
YooperPackfan posted:Henry posted:Brown Paper Sack posted:
This is my favorite thing right now.
I think the Shula comparison is interesting. I can't remember those Miami defenses though.
Glad we can compare who sucks more with a superstar QB.
So you’re saying you’re remembering all those great packer defenses then? Explain more please
That's why the comparison is possibly legitimate. I haven't looked up those Miami defenses and I don't remember off the top of my head.
The fact those Packer defenses stunk is the same reason why Winston Moss is still employed.
It's also why the criticism is being leveled. If it wasn't for the fact MM was so thoroughly exposed last year I would've put up the same defense. The continually mounting evidence that the defensive scheme sucked balls and MM's lack of action sealed the deal.
Wondering which coach sucked worse is a pretty poor defense.
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:He should be. Kelly wasn't on the same level Rodgers is. QB, kind of important.
No but he’s still a HOFer. That schlub Thurman Thomas wasn’t bad either. Neither were those guys Andre Reed and Bruce Smith. Has McCarthy had 4 HOFers on 1 team? Shula had a top 10 all time QB and couldn’t get his team over the hump either. Of course he already had some hardware, so maybe he was just happy coasting.
I would say having those Buffalo defenses would be more of an indictment of Marv. That's the stuff that wins Superbowls. The fact they were so dominate as to get in 4 years straight and fail, yeah, Marv ****ed it up more. The Vikings organization agrees.
But again, arguing who sucks more really isn't a selling point for MM. At this point MM and Philbin are pretty much interchangeable. OC and OC only. So hopefully Rodgers, Pettine and 2 OCs along with fresh perspective at GM brings a title. Then Winston Moss can get a another ring and glare at people like an idiot.
The Bills lost to some great teams and great coaches. The only game they should've won was the first against the Giants and Hosteler, and they would've had the kicker not choked.
I didn’t say it was a selling point for McCarthy. The opinion was that McCarthy has done less with more than any coach in NFL history. That’s simply untrue. MM has had his team in contention for 10/12 years consistently. The debate about why he hasn’t sealed the deal 3 out of 4 total NFCC appearances has been had, no need to rehash it...many say it’s Capers and in turn MM for not firing him, I say it’s personnel which is GM related. I will say this though: if Thompson had replaced Cullen Jenkins, Nick Collins, AJ Hawk and Des Bishop with capable players then we wouldn’t be having this debate because we would have won at least 1 more SB.
His stubborn loyalty is a serious flaw that paid off ONE TIME--Kicker Mason Crosby--and I'm stunned that this never comes up in his "self-scouting" that he loves.
BB, much as everyone hates him, would've kicked Capers to the curb after the Kapernick debacle.
Grave Digger posted:I didn’t say it was a selling point for McCarthy. The opinion was that McCarthy has done less with more than any coach in NFL history. That’s simply untrue. MM has had his team in contention for 10/12 years consistently. The debate about why he hasn’t sealed the deal 3 out of 4 total NFCC appearances has been had, no need to rehash it...many say it’s Capers and in turn MM for not firing him, I say it’s personnel which is GM related. I will say this though: if Thompson had replaced Cullen Jenkins, Nick Collins, AJ Hawk and Des Bishop with capable players then we wouldn’t be having this debate because we would have won at least 1 more SB.
Except how many players magically became capable when they left the Packers? You can blame TT for his FA approach and bad picks like Datone Jones but towards the end he was using the kitchen sink approach for that defense. One of the biggest condemnations of Capers wasn't that he merely didn't implement young players correctly, he actually set them back.
Viking fan BIL, "I don't get how that defense isn't better with some of the players on that roster". Me either BIL, me either.
I think reducing McCarthy to GOC really does him a disservice. We just don't know everything that's involved in being a head coach in the NFL. It seems kind of hard to me. I've listed what I think some of those responsibilities are in the past, so no need to do it again here. Like everybody else, I hold him solely responsible for his failure to part with Capers sooner.
As his official x4 ballwasher, I will say that being mentioned with Shula and Levy...well, it certainly could be worse. He's never going to be Lombardi, or Belichick, or Halas. Probably not Noll. But he still has a chance to match up with Walsh, Gibbs, Landry, Parcells.
Heck, if he ends up comparing favorably to Weeb Ewbank, that'd be cool. Because Weeb Ewbank.
Sorta like the old Tampax ad " we may not be number one but we are right up in there". This applies both ways for Mike, he ain't the best and he ain't the worst, he's just a pretty good NFL coach. He wins another one and he is gold...if not the silver will have to do.
Brak posted:I think reducing McCarthy to GOC really does him a disservice. We just don't know everything that's involved in being a head coach in the NFL. It seems kind of hard to me. I've listed what I think some of those responsibilities are in the past, so no need to do it again here. Like everybody else, I hold him solely responsible for his failure to part with Capers sooner.
As his official x4 ballwasher, I will say that being mentioned with Shula and Levy...well, it certainly could be worse. He's never going to be Lombardi, or Belichick, or Halas. Probably not Noll. But he still has a chance to match up with Walsh, Gibbs, Landry, Parcells.
Heck, if he ends up comparing favorably to Weeb Ewbank, that'd be cool. Because Weeb Ewbank.
Dear Official x4 Ballwasher,
My biggest reason for criticizing MM wasn't the defense last year. Honestly, I was shocked at how poor the offensive coaching was all highlighted by Hundley's failure. There were times I wasn't sure I was watching the same team. I expected it would be rough simply because Rodgers is Rodgers but they would still possibly be able to limp into the post season. Man, not even close.
Now brace yourself, Campen was the most competent offensive coach. So when I see a HC who was known for QB development and overall offensive competence it's hard for me to really say that was competent head coaching. He looked like a interim coach after the HC gets fired midseason.
BTW, Rodgers doesn't get a pass for being upset about Van Pelt because it was very clear Van Pelt sucked.
I have no doubt having Philbin back will be a big help and I'm sure the offense will be fine with Rodgers back but it does little to boost his stake as a solid HC. When MM said he was going to be more involved on the defensive side of the ball I proclaimed it was the maturation of his HC tenure. He failed and I was wrong.
So is it horrible that MM is GOCy? Not necessarily but I think the praise for his accomplishments are questionable. They can win, I just hope the team starts to morph into something that can hold it's own when Rodgers isn't available.
Signed,
Weeb Eubanks
Henry posted:They can win, I just hope the team starts to morph into something that can hold it's own when Rodgers isn't available.
That will ice the legacy for sure. Last year absolutely did not instill confidence.
And GerkenBerken will be a factor. There's a lot of chicken and egg stuff here but I like to be completely irrational and lay things out in black and white.
We'd have 7 more superbowl rings if McStupidface had fired Capers in 2014
The Wizard's scheme was so bad it collapses space and time.
Couple of points:
1. Buffalo in the early 90's was one of the best teams ever assembled. The fact that they didn't win a SB to me makes no difference. They maybe should've/could've beaten the Giants, but it came down to the very last play with a chance to win or lose. That's not on Marv.
2. The other 3 SBs, the Bills were beaten by the best teams in the NFL that year. No way do either Cowboys' teams lose (dynasty) or the year of the Rypien 'skins.
3. Missing a 47 yard FG at the end of the game, IMO, is not a choke. It's a long field goal attempt, outdoors, that missed by a couple of feet as opposed to a shank.
4. As I've stated before, TT was GM beyond his effectiveness after a great run, but the biggest indictment of him, IMO, is not forcing the issue with Capers several years ago. And if if it was "McCarthy's call", then TT should have made that change. One SB 7 yrs ago with AR at the helm is shameful. At least Wolf/Holmgren got the team to 2 SBs.
Brak:
But he still has a chance to match up with Walsh, Gibbs, Landry, Parcells.
I don't know where he ranks, but 3 SB wins with three different QB's, none of whom will sniff the HoF - Theisman, Williams, and Rypian. Man, that is pretty impressive.
Offensive line. You always, always, always build inside out.
Henry posted:Except how many players magically became capable when they left the Packers? You can blame TT for his FA approach and bad picks like Datone Jones but towards the end he was using the kitchen sink approach for that defense. One of the biggest condemnations of Capers wasn't that he merely didn't implement young players correctly, he actually set them back.
Viking fan BIL, "I don't get how that defense isn't better with some of the players on that roster". Me either BIL, me either.
Like 2? Hayward and Hyde? Woodson and Peppers did about the same elsewhere. The real test is to think about all the players that were arguably the BPAs at their positions and what they’ve done elsewhere...MD Jennings, Jerron McMillan, Jarius Wynn, AJ Hawk, DJ Smith, Sam Barrington, Marshall Newhouse, CJ Wilson, Dezman Moses, Jerel Worthy, Alex Green, DJ Williams, Don Barclay, Jamari Lattimore, Andy Mulumba, Nate Palmer, Josh Boyd, Datone Jones, Mike Pennell, Joe Thomas, Demetri Goodson, and probably others I’m missing. Those guys were the BPAs on the roster and all started multiple games for GB FFS. Most of these guys were out of the league the year after GB cut them, others are toiling away at the bottom of some other teams roster or playing poorly. Some were high picks! Some say McCarthy has underachieved, I don’t know how he achieved with a roster littered with scrubs like the ones I listed. They’ve had to rely on guys like Rodgers, Daniels, Raji, CM3, Burnett, Shields, etc. to carry the load because 14/22 starters probably didn’t belong in the league, much less starting. Gute has improved the roster greatly by just adding NFL caliber talent.
So is MM your new apologist target or do you still have Wizard hangover?
PackLandVA posted:At least Wolf/Holmgren got the team to 2 SBs.
To GD's point, look at the rosters from those two years. Three HOF players (I include William Henderson 
). And to CJ's point, that OL was stout.
I will always be grateful for what TT did in terms of handling the Sherman to McCarthy transition, the Favre to Rodgers transition, and maintaining a mostly winning culture. But I will always believe that McCarthy was growing frustrated with the rosters over the last 5 years or so (and Rodgers probably was, too), and that in turn has brought us to the new power structure.
Disappointing that we've only gotten one with 12 so far, but I wouldn't say it's a shame. Not yet. If that's the only one he gets, then I agree.
phaedrus posted:Brak:
But he still has a chance to match up with Walsh, Gibbs, Landry, Parcells.
I don't know where he ranks, but 3 SB wins with three different QB's, none of whom will sniff the HoF - Theisman, Williams, and Rypian. Man, that is pretty impressive.
Yeah, I may have gone a little too far into sell-mode.
