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Originally Posted by Grave Digger:

This is just speculation on my part, but I wonder if the biggest issue McCarthy discovered with the offense is how dysfunctional the running game is? 

 

The run-blocking issues are often a function of choosing pass pro OL over maulers on draft day- and rightly so.

Originally Posted by Dave in MN:

So, did Zook get the Special teams then? i've been asleep...

Unfortunately, it seems so. I'm guessing MM is just waiting to make all the announcements at one time.

Originally Posted by cuqui:

Re other Packers' coaching moves:

@PackerUpdate: FOX Sports reports GB will hire former 49ers offensive line coach Mike Solari. There's currently an opening for an asst. O-line coach in GB.

 

@alexmarvez: Source tells @NFLonFOX that @49ers offensive line coach Mike Solari is joining @Packers staff. 

Solari worked with McCarthy in 1997-98 when the former was the Chiefs' OL coach and MM the QB coach.  Here's his Niners' bio:

 

http://www.49ers.com/team/coac...45-8a18-970dddf4d611 

 

Guy's got some coaching chops, for sure. Me likey.

 

What do you think, Henry?

The Green Bay Packers will be adding one of the NFL’s senior offensive line coaches to their staff.

A source told FOX Sports that Mike Solari is leaving San Francisco for the Packers.

Solari, 60, has 28 years of NFL coaching experience with five different franchises. Solari spent the past five seasons with the 49ers, which fielded one of the league’s most prolific rushing attacks during that span.

The bulk of San Francisco’s offensive coaches have left since defensive line coach Jim Tomsula was promoted to head coach to replace Jim Harbaugh, who left for the same position at the University of Michigan.

It wasn’t immediately known what Solari’s exact role will be in Green Bay. James Campen has served as offensive line coach since 2007, and in 2014 the unit was the team’s strongest in years.

Story here.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/s...h-mike-solari-020915

 

Me likey.  It may also go the point discussed about having a top notch oline/RB/FB talent and getting stuffed on a regular basis.  Overcome the Campen.

I'll disagree with the "top notch FB talent" though. Kuhn is a good locker room guy, solid in pass protection and a monosyllabic white guy makes some fans drool, but he's not much of a lead blocker in the running game.

He's an All-Pro.  I'm not saying that means he's an incredible talent by any means, but IMHO the talent level of FBs overall is as low as it's been since I can remember.  Top-notch now isn't nearly as good as top-notch 25 years ago, but it is what it is.  

 

Guys like William Henderson really aren't around anymore.  They're playing linebacker.  

' McCarthy discovered with the offense is how dysfunctional the running game is " 

 

I don't think that sounds crazy at all GD. Lacy gets yards in spite of the OL at times. It would be nice to see him be able to hit  a hole with a head of steam vs lose his momentum because there's a pile of OLinemen in his way or a DL/LB sitting there waiting for him. The Detroit , Buffalo and Seattle games were examples of how inefficient the short and goal run game really is. Granted those are no slouch defensive lines they faced but I'm convinced that GBs OL  is certainly capable of gaining those tough yards more often than they do.  I have a feeling that the short yardage situation woes of 2014 is the main reason the new OL coach from the whiners was brought in.

Originally Posted by Iowacheese:

Mike Alstott was the last top notch FB

Henderson was a better FB than Alstott. Alstott was a very good short yardage running back that happened to be listed as a fullback on the team roster. As a true lead blocker, Hendo was much better.

Last edited by Fond Du Arrigo

 

But Satoric is onto something.  Really hard to find OL that can run block as well as they pass block and our system is geared toward the pass.  SF OL was highly regarded the last several years because of their running game but we never really saw them have to pass block on a regular basis.  Capernick's success as a passer (what success he had) was built off his ability to run (or threat of run).  I am excited to see if the new guy can take things up a notch though.  

Last edited by DH13
Originally Posted by Satori:

The run-blocking issues are often a function of choosing pass pro OL over maulers on draft day- and rightly so.

I always assumed it was a lack of identity for the blocking scheme. McCarthy has always maintained he wants his offense to be Mulitple rather than be pigeonholed as a West Coast or Vertical Passing or whatever offense. He originally brought Jeff Jagoffzinski on to implement the Zone Blocking Scheme, but he bailed immediately and McCarthy promoted Joe Philbin (who learned from Kirk Ferentz) and Campen who may not have been up to the task of properly teaching the ZBS. Almost all the teams who have successfully run a Zone Blocking Scheme have all had OL coaches who worked directly under or with Alex Gibbs, which is why McCarthy hired Jagoffzinsky who worked directly with Gibbs in Atlanta. Campen has no ties to the ZBS, which is why it failed IMO, and it's why McCarthy has moved toward a power running scheme with more man blocking concepts, but there's a lot of back and forth it seems. All teams use the inside and outside zone to varying extents, but it seems McCarthy can't decide when and how to use what plays. San Fran succeeded because they're a power run team and Seattle is succeeding because they're a zone run team, neither one tries to be the other. Solari's background is in Zone Blocking so hopefully he can provide some guidance for McCarthy and Campen and help us find an identity.

Last edited by Grave Digger

 

EKB - The Packers didn't run the screen as much as you'd like , but they called it more often than they ran it.

 

Hence the play-caller losing his job. 

 

Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
Originally Posted by Satori:

The run-blocking issues are often a function of choosing pass pro OL over maulers on draft day- and rightly so.

I always assumed it was a lack of identity for the blocking scheme. McCarthy has always maintained he wants his offense to be Mulitple rather than be pigeonholed as a West Coast or Vertical Passing or whatever offense. He originally brought Jeff Jagoffzinski on to implement the Zone Blocking Scheme, but he bailed immediately and McCarthy promoted Joe Philbin (who learned from Kirk Ferentz) and Campen who may not have been up to the task of properly teaching the ZBS. Almost all the teams who have successfully run a Zone Blocking Scheme have all had OL coaches who worked directly under or with Alex Gibbs, which is why McCarthy hired Jagoffzinsky who worked directly with Gibbs in Atlanta. Campen has no ties to the ZBS, which is why it failed IMO, and it's why McCarthy has moved toward a power running scheme with more man blocking concepts, but there's a lot of back and forth it seems. All teams use the inside and outside zone to varying extents, but it seems McCarthy can't decide when and how to use what plays. San Fran succeeded because they're a power run team and Seattle is succeeding because they're a zone run team, neither one tries to be the other. Solari's background is in Zone Blocking so hopefully he can provide some guidance for McCarthy and Campen and help us find an identity.

Very good insight

Hmmm. 36 years old, four year DL starter for Iowa. College DL coach since 2006 with most recent gigs at Michigan and Oklahoma. OK sources say he'd been their best recruiter also.

Anything short of stripping Capers down naked, painting him pink, tossing him off a high bridge and burning his house down will not be nearly enough for the intelligentsia of Packerland.  

 

Never heard of this guy, but DL seems like a strange place to bring in reinforcements/replacements.  

Unless Trgovac, who has DC experience, is getting bumped out or up? Or, it may be just another set of eyes in the film room. No salary cap for coaches and I don't think there is a restriction on staff size.

 

signed zigmund

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Hungry5:

No salary cap for coaches and I don't think there is a restriction on staff size

Ding. Never opposed to bringing new talent to 1265. Guy sounds like an up-and-comer.

@TomSilverstein: Montgomery isn't replacing anybody on #Packers staff. Likely to be asst. DL coach. There's 2 coaches now with LBs and DBs.

 

@TomSilverstein: For what it's worth, Montgomery coached at Michigan in 2011-'12. #Packers DL coach Mike Trgovac went to Michigan. They've got that bond.

 

@TomSilverstein: A possibility for asst. special teams coach is def. asst. Jason Simmons, who helped on ST. Adding Montgomery would allow JS to focus on ST.

Originally Posted by Fond Du Arrigo:
Originally Posted by FreeSafety:

I think IC was joking.

I didn't think giving IC the benefit of the doubt was a thing around here.

 

After further reveiw...I think you may be right. 

Wasn't Alstott white? 

Originally Posted by ammo:

William Henderson was a much better receiver than Alstott.  And I never saw Alstott knock Ray Lewis on his ass like Hendo did. 

Maybe not, but he dreamt about it every night while he was dragging his car across the parking lot. Put an engine it it, Alstott.

Originally Posted by Pikes Peak:
Originally Posted by Green and Gold:

There will be one coach for every player before long.

Not enough for Hawk

Two years ago 90% of the people here would have told you, with a straight face, that Hawk should count as a player and a coach.

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